Long HDMI Cable Pinkies & Spotties for YCrCb only with Sim2 C3X1080

This is classic digital "cliff effect". You are on the edge with your projector being able to acquire the signal(s) without error. The fact that HDMI input 2 works probably means that path or chip inside the projector is a little less touchy. It is also possible that that input is damaged as you suspect but I doubt it.

50 feet is troublesome especially with 444 at 1080P. I also agree another cable may be the fix.

FWEIW I use a CalRad 50 foot from my DVDO VP50pro into a Panny AE3000. It has always worked flawlessly. But that doesn't mean it will work with your gear as they are different.

Unfortuantly at these legnths and resolutions it's often a crap shoot. And money doesn't always equate to better performance. My cable was about $75, not very much for a 50 foot HDMI cable.

I would stick to certified cables though.

P.S. Steve, this is how inferior or too long cables react with digital signals. We and others have argued this before but this is why I don't subscribe to better HDMI cables resulting in deeper blacks and more saturated colors. That just doesn't happen with digital signals. When the cable capacitance is high enough to cause significant HF roll off with analog signals, you lose highs in audio and detail in video. But with a digital signal, what you are seeing is what happens. The picture is still as sharp and bright as with good cables but instead has zits and breakup.

We've had a lot of luck with the Key Digital and Audioquest cables. The Audioquest HDMI A long cables use a pvc coating and is CL3 rated. I had some issues with a Digital Projection projo but after swapping the original no name cable (supplied by the client), for the Audioquest unit, all was well.
btw, it was a 12m and the price is very reasonable.

Steve, we use Ultralink for our HDMI. Never had a problem with it. They have a line of cables that are certified up to 150 ft. un-amplified. The Audioquest and Key are good also. The problem is most cables will show a collapsed waveform over too long a distance. Once the waveform collapses your done. That's what you're probably seeing. Regards, Norm

WHat Glimmie said. it is also important to mention that when a cable for a digital signal is good enough... it works. there is no better than "works" if things are problematic to not working... then the the cable is insufficient.

No cable for digital will make things better than works.

i just ordered 2 35' blue jeans hdmi cables. they are the bjc-1 belden bonded pair hdmi cables which are a bit pricey but everyone who used it has had good results. i am also going to run a couple cat6 cables as well in case the hdmi has issues and i could always use powered baluns over cat6. i would suggest trying out the blue jeans cable, i used monoprice in the past but i did have a couple with issues. hopefully won't be the case with the blue jeans stuff.

My recommendation - upgrade to the Lumis HOST with the fiber optic cables.

I had a similar problem recently when I would manually changed my Dish output from 1080i to 720p. To make a long story short the XD was changing from Config0 to Config2 [why I don't know] when I changed the Dish to 720p. Config2 had the wrong color space and gave me a garbled picture. I reset Config0 to have the correct color space with a 720p input and haven't had a problem since.

So you may want to check that your XE is using the correct Config when DTV changes output resolution.

do let us know if the cable resolves your issues. i am running mine inwall now, but wont be able to actually test/use them until my house is finished which will be the end of the year. im curious what your impressions will be on this cable.

Steve, I'm actually somewhat surprised that you got an older 50' cable to work at all. I'm sure the 35' one will work fine with no glitches.

Steve, you said that you installed the cable and projector in 2008. A year ago (OK, 17 months), HDMI was still pretty flaky at 25' or more, not to mention 50'. I'd say that changes have been made to the cable in the last 18 months, even if it's still called the same thing.

But heck, I could be wrong.

The powered extender is probably the problem!

Nothing! As said above by others, 35 feet is not a problem these days for HDMI. Even 50 feet is doable - I have a 50 foot run using a lower cost ($75)cable with no problem.

When you get into extenders I would go with fiber. Expensive but many of the CAT5 units I have tried at work do a poor job. But again a typical HT needs no more than 50 feet.

The Blue Jeans cable you ordered should be just fine provided you don't have a hardware problem inside one of your units.

Steve, I'm going by the 100s of posts over the last 3ish years on my forum regarding the HDFury. When the DVI protocol came out, I read nothing but complaints about dropped sync/signal with runs over about 10'. The solution to 'no picture' always came down to firmware upgrade issues with the source, or to use a shorter run between the DVI source and the HDFury. THe rule of thumb was to keep DVI runs short, and run a longer RGBHV cable from the Fury to the analog projector.

I'd say that about 18 months ago, longer DVI/HDMI runs became far less of an issue than before, and I did several CRT setups where the customer ran a 25'+ HDMI run without issues.

Still, even today though, the standard tech support answer when someone complains about an issue with an HDFury is: 'connect the source to the Fury to the projector with a short <6' cable and see if that works. If so, start adding your receiver, and longer cables one at a time until you find your issue.

I still think that the HDMI/DVI signal is the biggest prematurely released POS that the consumer industry has seen and been frustrated over. I'd say it was all released about 3 years too early, and I'll bet I have 1000s of frustrated installers that have lost money on repeat service calls due to the HDMI protocol that would agree with me.

In my experience, DVI Gear cables are the best you can buy at any price and are the only ones we feel confident using.

As already described, the extender is more likely to be the problem rather than the cable. If the wall wart has failed then you will still get 5V from the source device, some of these sometimes do not supply the specified 30mA (or it is below this level once it reaches the extender on very long cables). This is probably why you have no problems from some sources.

When talking about HDMI it is also very important to remember that the source and receiver ICs can have a huge impact on whether you get a picture or not. It is common for receivers to have built in correction which can lull you in to a false sense of security over the cable performance. DPI projectors have no such luxury but with DVI Gear we can get perfect 1080P60 performance up to 20m before switching to the optical cables. With most other brands - especially so called high end brands like Chord - you do well to get 10m.

The Blue Jeans is a good cable but IMO you just wasted money buying something that is not as good as what you have already got.

Neil

I've had no good luck with audioquest cables over long distances. Use the Belden from bluejeans if you require a long passive cable. That's my universal backup.