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"Heroes" Season 4 on NBC

post #1 of 792
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The new season of "Heroes" is upon us (three weeks away) so let's start a new thread. Unlike previous "Heroes" threads that started with a ton of hype and enthusiasm though, let's be humble and come in with realistic expectations that this is likely the last hurrah for Tim Kring's show. Ratings are down, budgets have been cut and expectations are low. I don't know about you but last season reading/checking viewers' reaction was as much fun (if not more) than the show itself. Hopefully Kring & Co. (minus gone-for-good Bryan Fuller) can pull a previously-unknown writing superpower and right what has been wrong with the show for two consecutive seasons (or, as some would argue, from the very beginning of the show).

What's new for Season 4? I won't post here the already-known backstory of S4 (I'd rather experience it new as it airs to see of it jives) but here's a quick recap of what they've been doing over the summer to get ready for 9/21:

Madeline Zima ("Californication") will join the show for a multi-episode story arc about being college roomates with Claire: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16578138.

Robert Knepper (T-Bag from "Prison Break") will be the new regular villain for at least six episodes: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16582458.

Ernie Hudson ("Ghostbusters," HBO's "OZ") will appear as a semi-regular new character: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16985711.

Jayma Mays (Charlie the waitress from S1) returns to for one episode in Season 4: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17055940.

Budget of "Heroes" reduced $300-500K per episode for S4: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16952365.

"Heroes" S3 episodes nominated for Best Special Visual Effects and Art Direction Emmy's: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16841521.
post #2 of 792
The problem with Heroes is that they don't know how to resolve a storyline. It's almost like they just come up with a cool idea, and just throw it in without worrying about how they'll ultimately resolve any problems it creates.

That and they can not get the characters to do battle in the finales. You build up Peter and Sylar as two powerful beings all season 1, and then they barely fight. What little fights occur happen behind closed doors so they don't actually have to bother showing us anything. Like Peter/Sylar in the future during season 1, and Sylar and Nathan in Season 3 with Claire looking through the keyhole or something.

Superheros are meant to fight their arch-enemy, and we're supposed to actually see it, that's the pay off for building up the tension between them.

Season 4 needs to come out full steam ahead or it might not even last a full season.
post #3 of 792
S4 may well turn out nicely, but I don't know if anyone one really cares anymore. I thought it would surely redeem itself after a dismal S2, but it seemed to only get worse.
post #4 of 792
I don't even know why I keep watching. I guess I'm still hoping that they could turn things around, but after 2 seasons of crap, I don't think my expectations have ever been lower for a tv show.

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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

"Heroes" S3 episodes nominated for Best Special Visual Effects and Art Direction Emmy's: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16841521.

The garage/ice scene didn't get nominated? That's surprising as hell...I thought that was fantastic.

But I said this months ago...I have no idea how anyone could win over BSG's finale.
post #5 of 792
I think we keep watching because of how much time we have invested in the show at this point.

I mean that first season was like crack until the finale.

Even early season two was ok until we got deeper in and the strike forced a lot of stuff to cut short.
post #6 of 792
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The garage/ice scene didn't get nominated? That's surprising as hell...I thought that was fantastic.

Per our semi-regular poster vfxproducer (a self-professed "Heroes" insider), "Cold Snap" was submitted for nomination but the Emmy judges went with the season premiere instead: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16844285. Emmy judges are just plain weird!
post #7 of 792
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Jayma Mays (Charlie the waitress from S1) returns to for one episode in Season 4: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17055940.

Ahh, thanks for posting that. I just saw her on the Glee pilot (FOX) and for the life of me, couldn't remember where I knew her from.
post #8 of 792
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Ahh, thanks for posting that. I just saw her on the Glee pilot (FOX) and for the life of me, couldn't remember where I knew her from.

If you just saw her on the Glee pilot, then you noticed that Glee has four people from Heroes.

Jayma Mays
Jessalyn Gilsig (Claire's mom)
Stephen Tobolowsky (Elle's dad)
and
Dianna Argon (Quinn in Glee, Debbie (I think a cheerleader too) in Heroes)
post #9 of 792
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

"Cold Snap" was submitted for nomination but the Emmy judges went with the season premiere instead. Emmy judges are just plain weird!

No, they are smart. The two hour season premiere had much more complex and varied work than Cold Snap. Cold Snap was flashy, but the premiere had Tokyo exploding, Tracy freezing William Kat, a couple of pretty cool moments of Hiro and Daphne (one with frozen time, one with her super speedster powers), Peter rescuing Claire from being hit by a train, lots of fire effects, and a lot of "invisible" set extensions. And in general, it was less stylized and more photo-real, which is harder to do.

By the way, if anyone is interested, there is a very good special feature about my department on the season 3 DVD set. It has me and a bunch of our other VFX crew talking about working on various shots, with a lot of before and after examples. I think it is on the third disc, and is called "Completing the Scene". I don't have the DVDs, but I've seen the feature. For those who've seen it, that's me at the end talking about how exited we are to work on the show.
post #10 of 792
$5 still says the best character on the show is Mr. Muggles. Used to be a toss-up between Muggles and HRG but last season neutered HRG worse than Muggles at the vet.

So...2 weeks in before they retcon the entire Heroes universe? Game on!
post #11 of 792
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

By the way, if anyone is interested, there is a very good special feature about my department on the season 3 DVD set.

It's in high-def on the season 3 Blu-ray set too.
post #12 of 792
I still haven't finished the 2nd half of the 3rd season, and after reading these comments it's looks like I shouldn't!
post #13 of 792
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Originally Posted by Lone Wanderer View Post

I still haven't finished the 2nd half of the 3rd season, and after reading these comments it's looks like I shouldn't!

Speaking honestly... I watched it... but I couldn't tell you much about what I watched.

There was so much ret-conning in season 3, that arguably season 4 will either have to go back to basics OR will retcon all the previous retconning... either way, it's difficult to argue season 3 as "must watch" in order to understand the new season.
post #14 of 792
What's ret-con?
post #15 of 792
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What's ret-con?

Semi slang/abbreviation for retroactive continuity changes.

Season 3 of Heroes showed flashbacks that couldn't have happened given information presented in Season 1. Similarly, characters in Season 3 behaved counter to their previous behavior and essentially previous behavior was ignored in some cases and no attempt to explain, as if the Heroes producers knew their old audience was gone so they felt no need to hang onto continuity with the new audience.
post #16 of 792
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But I said this months ago...I have no idea how anyone could win over BSG's finale.



post #17 of 792
Congrats to the team. Though that doesn't change my opinion. I still think the BSG finale was much more impressive than the Heroes premiere.
post #18 of 792
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I mean that first season was like crack until the finale.

The first season rocked, but the finale killed it. It hasn't been the same since that last episode of the first season. I went ahead and watched the second season with of course disappointment, and I stopped watching the show when season three came around (although I did watch a couple of episodes from flipping channels).

The disappointing thing for me is that the show had so much potential, but instead flopped. Simply amazing.
post #19 of 792
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Originally Posted by moob View Post

Congrats to the team. Though that doesn't change my opinion. I still think the BSG finale was much more impressive than the Heroes premiere.

Absolutely.
post #20 of 792
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Mmph, which of these folks looks like the type of person that would post here on AVS Forum? If we can deduct that we'll have found our vfxproducer.
post #21 of 792
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Mmph, which of these folks looks like the type of person that would post here on AVS Forum? If we can deduct that we'll have found our vfxproducer.

It's not a secret. I've already outed myself. I'm the guy with glasses wearing all black, just left of the middle of the picture.
post #22 of 792
Congrats vfxproducer, well done.
post #23 of 792
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Well, tonight's the night (to borrow "Dexter's" opening). Anyone excited besides vfxproducer hoping to score another SFX Emmy a year from now for yet another SFX-loaded "Heroes" season premiere?
post #24 of 792
T-bag on Heroes and beign T-bag like character? I guess we won't miss Robert Knepper on Mondays after all..

I would laugh if the character uses a bionic arm or something like it.. anyone knows what power does he have?
post #25 of 792
I have re-watched about two-thirds of Season 3 via NF's HD streaming. It has been a little better the second time around, although some of its more preposterous plot points were still hard to take. I just hope the writers are a little more disciplined this season than they were last.
post #26 of 792
Yep, so glad to see T-bag still on TV!

Let's see...Robert Knepper used a southern accent in "Prison Break"...a russian accent in "Hitman"...what's up for Heroes? I'll go ahead and predict an Irish Brogue.
post #27 of 792
Oh I love Robert Knepper!

I'm watching just because of him.

Who am I kidding? I'd still be watching if he wasn't in the show, like someone above said, I've invested a lot of time in the show that I'll watch until the end.
post #28 of 792
yep.. unfortunately, i have watched from the beginning and kept on...
post #29 of 792
This is one my favorite shows.

I always DVR'd all episodes.
post #30 of 792
yep.. i hope it records tonights episodes
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