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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

MI-5 still "is", it's till airing new eps in Great Britain where it's know as "Spooks".

Glad MI-5 came up here. Just checked and found that several more seasons are available from NF streaming and I have added them to my queue. Thanks for reminding me of this terrific series.
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As far as Babylon 5, I just got around to watching this series earlier in the year. It's worth giving a second chance. Everyone pretty much agrees that the pilot movie and the first season suck pretty bad. You do need to see them to understand all of the story, though. After that, seasons 2-4 of B5 is some of the best serial sci-fi on TV I've seen.
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As far as Babylon 5, I just got around to watching this series earlier in the year. It's worth giving a second chance. Everyone pretty much agrees that the pilot movie and the first season suck pretty bad. You do need to see them to understand all of the story, though. After that, seasons 2-4 of B5 is some of the best serial sci-fi on TV I've seen.

I agree with that assessment. Michael O'Hare who played the first captain - Jeff Sinclair - was a complete stiff and that drug the whole first season down. The producers evidently noticed and replaced him with Bruce Boxleitner who did a great job thereafter. And the fifth season was very uneven (to be kind) because they didn't know they would even get it and essentially wrapped up the prime storyline at the end of S-4. The sequel-series, 'Crusade', was flawed on many levels; probably shouldn't have been tried. A lot of people feel the same way about the recently canned 'Caprica'.

All in all, 'Babylon 5' was great fun. It was also one man's uncompromised vision. Joe Strazcynski wrote nearly every episode if I'm not mistaken, Rod Sterling-like. An amazing body of work.
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Honestly silverwolf, I'm not sure what would be a good show for you. You want a serialized show, but you didn't like 3 of the best serialized shows of all-time. If you're looking for strict realism and logical cause and effect then you're just not going to find it in a serialized sci-fi show, ever.

Personally, outside of maybe Dexter and Firefly, the shows you've listed (B5, BSG, Lost, Dollhouse) are among those that I can't imagine ever missing more than any others. My perspective on TV would be totally different without them.
post #755 of 792
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I agree with that assessment. Michael O'Hare who played the first captain - Jeff Sinclair - was a complete stiff and that drug the whole first season down. The producers evidently noticed and replaced him with Bruce Boxleitner who did a great job thereafter. And the fifth season was very uneven (to be kind) because they didn't know they would even get it and essentially wrapped up the prime storyline at the end of S-4. The sequel-series, 'Crusade', was flawed on many levels; probably shouldn't have been tried. A lot of people feel the same way about the recently canned 'Caprica'.

All in all, 'Babylon 5' was great fun. It was also one man's uncompromised vision. Joe Strazcynski wrote nearly every episode if I'm not mistaken, Rod Sterling-like. An amazing body of work.

It's Rod Serling. Don't confuse him with the character Roger Sterling from AMC's Mad Men.
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

It's Rod Serling. Don't confuse him with the character Roger Sterling from AMC's Mad Men.

Ah, typo. Anyway, a lot of people don't realize he wrote 90+ of the 120+ episodes of 'The Twilight Zone' himself, as well as numerous other teleplays and movie scripts. He was one supremely talented, visionary, and prolific dude.
post #757 of 792
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Joe Strazcynski wrote nearly every episode if I'm not mistaken, Rod Sterling-like. An amazing body of work.

And turned out the lights at the end to boot.
post #758 of 792
You should give Torchwood a try. It's a little cheesy, but fun characters. It's available streaming on Netflix. If you have watched the newer Dr. Who you will know a few of the characters, but you can come in with no background and still enjoy it.
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Hinted spoilers for B5 below and minor ones for Heroes:

Having seen almost every SF series (from the odd Sapphire & Steel, the legendary Blake's 7, pretty much every Sunrise mecha series, to the awful Space Rangers) I will say that Babylon 5 is my favorite series followed by Farscape. The main difference between Heroes and B5 is that B5 indeed was plotted by JMS alone. If you look at volume 15 of the B5 scripts books you will see that the events up until War Without End (mid season 3) follow his outlines that he made (with Sinclair instead of Sheridan) that he created very early on. Although I do like his original idea of Babylon Prime fighting the Shadows he decide to have those elements follow Sinclair, while Sheridan paved his "Arthurian Empire Building" plot. He states that he had Sleeping in the Light (last episode filmed a year before the series end) also planned out very early in the series.

Bringing it back OT Heroes had a very well structured first season, but it felt as though everyone wanted to go in different directions with seasons 2 & 3. For example the whole Sylar is good seems to flip back and forth in a way that felt more like inconsistent writing than actual inner conflict. Likewise the Nathan has found god idea is presented then dropped for no reason. Also Peter's and Hiro's powers getting nerfed then reinstated. Even worse are the new characters introduced who are quickly written out of the series.

The other issue is that the dynamics of the series didn't really change between seasons for a series that had so much happen in it's first season. Each season of B5 had a very distinctive tone (reflected by each season's opening). NBC's Chuck has actually done a nice job of changing the series' formula every season.

Jeremiah is also great and sadly ended early due to disputes between JMS and MGM. I would also highly recommend JMS' comic Rising Stars for anyone who likes Heroes (which it predates) and B5 since it really has elements of both series.
post #760 of 792
Season 5 of Heroes?

No WAY! Is HEROES coming back for a SEASON 5?!

As the internet grows more prevalent and audiences more disgusted with their cable and satellite providers, nontraditional media outlets have been hopping on the original programming bandwagon, such as Netflix with their excellent House of Cards
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, and even Amazon joining the fray with Zombieland.

Now, the latest outlet to enter the fray is one audiences are more used to offering up Call of Duty than a television show: MSN, specifically via their XBox console.

Yeah, you read that right. TVline reports that MSN is eager to move into the original programming realm, and is in serious talks to pick up the rights to NBC’s once hugely popular Heroes and revive it via XBox. .........
post #761 of 792
Yeah, I read about that. Of all the shows to bring back, why Heroes? It's not like it had a huge following. Even a show like SyFy's recently cancelled Alphas would probably be a better choice.
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I'd love to see a S5 of Heroes. Though I don't have an Xbox. What's this Zombieland from Amazon all about?
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I think it's all due to Arrested Develpment being picked up and wishful thinking.
Heroes was huge but IMO the writers strike killed the show. I like Alphas but more people watched Heroes so they have a "proven product"
Given that Neflix is leading the way (Hemlock Grove anyone) who knows.

No idea about zombie land. Maybe for Amazon prime members?
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Out of all the prematurely cancelled TV shows to revive, 'Heroes' would be waaay down my list. Maybe because it wasn't prematurely cancelled. "Deservedly" is a more accurate word.
post #765 of 792
... Not to mention many of the major players have moved on ...
I doubt they can get Zachary Quinto or Hayden Panettiere, & the Hiro Nakamora dude is on Hawaii 5-0 now ...
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You can always recast those you can't get. Or start a Tangent story line.
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If I recall, the original concept of Heroes was a new cast every season.

What killed Heroes was that the cast they had was popular and it worked, so they kept them around for season 2 (and 3, and 4...). They ran out of storylines for these characters, and started giving them more and more powers. They refused to kill off Sylar because of how popular he was, and so brought him back multiple times, and had him shift allegiances between good and bad.

If they do a Heroes season 5, it needs to be a reboot. And if they do a Heroes season 6, it also needs to be a reboot. Every season should be a reboot.

With the online model, this would actually work. Hire a bunch of actors to do 13 episodes, Film them all, then wrap. Stream the episodes, work on a new season with new actors. Treat it like a limited run serial, the way they do in Britain.
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I'm in. Grab some Twinkies and get ready to double tap. Although it's hard to replace Woody. He was awesome in the movie. Now I just need to a Roku so I can stream Amazon.
post #770 of 792
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Yeah, I read about that. Of all the shows to bring back, why Heroes? It's not like it had a huge following. Even a show like SyFy's recently cancelled Alphas would probably be a better choice.

The HIGHEST rated episode of Alphas (the premiere) drew 3.6 million live +7 viewers. The worst rated episode of heroes drew 3.93 million. The best Heroes? 17 million.

Do the math.
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Originally Posted by John dhein View Post

The HIGHEST rated episode of Alphas (the premiere) drew 3.6 million live +7 viewers. The worst rated episode of heroes drew 3.93 million. The best Heroes? 17 million.

Do the math.

Yes, but Heroes was on network TV. It's obviously not going to get that kind of viewership on the closed XBOX Live network. Besides, the show really stunk after the first season, I don't think many people are clamoring to have it back.
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Yes, but Heroes was on network TV. It's obviously not going to get that kind of viewership on the closed XBOX Live network. Besides, the show really stunk after the first season, I don't think many people are clamoring to have it back.

You beat me to it. Comparing viewership of a cable show to that of a network show is an apples and oranges proposition. The numbers simply don't tell us much.
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You beat me to it. Comparing viewership of a cable show to that of a network show is an apples and oranges proposition. The numbers simply don't tell us much.

Unless the cable show in question is The Walking Dead - didn't I read somewhere recently that TWD was getting more viewers than American Idol these days?

Agree, though.....Heroes went to crap after S1 (I tuned out mid S2). Not sure there is much demand, unless Hayden Panettiere is returning & plans to get naked on camera this time....wink.gif
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Unless the cable show in question is The Walking Dead - didn't I read somewhere recently that TWD was getting more viewers than American Idol these days?

In "the demo", i.e. the 18-49 age group that advertisers care most about.
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If I recall, the original concept of Heroes was a new cast every season.

Correct. Tim Kring was originally fascinated by the idea of people discovering their powers and how they would decide to use them, for good or bad. He wanted to move on to a new group of people discovering their powers each season. It was the studio/network that dictated otherwise. Kind of the same way another network ruined Tim's more recent show, 'Touch", by turning what was kind of a heartwarming family show the first season into a low rent 24-meets-Missing mash up the second season.

For what it's worth, the second half of season 2 of Heroes was going to be spectacular. The early draft scripts that never got revised and filmed because of the writers strike were really good story telling. Totally made up for the first half of the season. It's a shame they never got produced.

A new Heroes for Xbox will be with an all new cast. And it will no doubt be done on more of a budget, like the webisodes. Heroes was an incredibly expensive show to produce, and nobody is spending that kind of money on the networks anymore. They certainly won't for Xbox.
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

Correct. Tim Kring was originally fascinated by the idea of people discovering their powers and how they would decide to use them, for good or bad. He wanted to move on to a new group of people discovering their powers each season.

A new Heroes for Xbox will be with an all new cast. And it will no doubt be done on more of a budget, like the webisodes. Heroes was an incredibly expensive show to produce, and nobody is spending that kind of money on the networks anymore. They certainly won't for Xbox.
As long as the season has an overarching story arc, it will be good. The concept is sound, it would have succeeded. Each season needs to slowly introduce us to the players, and by the season finale sides have been drawn and a battle takes place.
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

If I recall, the original concept of Heroes was a new cast every season.

What killed Heroes was that the cast they had was popular and it worked, so they kept them around for season 2 (and 3, and 4...). They ran out of storylines for these characters, and started giving them more and more powers. They refused to kill off Sylar because of how popular he was, and so brought him back multiple times, and had him shift allegiances between good and bad.

If they do a Heroes season 5, it needs to be a reboot. And if they do a Heroes season 6, it also needs to be a reboot. Every season should be a reboot.

With the online model, this would actually work. Hire a bunch of actors to do 13 episodes, Film them all, then wrap. Stream the episodes, work on a new season with new actors. Treat it like a limited run serial, the way they do in Britain.
If I remember some of the interviews, he wanted some new cast members and the goal was to set a challenge at the start of the season, solve it by the end and make sure that something actually happened in every episode.
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NBC To Bring Back ‘Heroes’ As 13-Episode Event Miniseries In 2015
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com - Feb. 22, 2014

On the heels of Fox reviving its iconic drama 24 as an event miniseries, NBC is doing the same with one of its most popular serialized dramas of the past decade, superhero series Heroes. Creator Tim Kring is back shepherding the 13-episode new standalone arc entitled Heroes: Reborn, which will air in 2015.

The original series chronicled the intertwined stories of unrelated ordinary people who discovered they had superhuman abilities and learned they were part of a grand plan that brought them together to change the world. Heroes Reborn will feature a new group of characters, though “we won’t rule out the possibility of some of the show’s original cast members popping back in,” NBC Entertainment president Jennifer Salke said. Heroes original cast included Milo Ventimiglia, Greg Grunberg, Hayden Penettiere, Adrian Pasdar, Zachary Quinto, Masi Oka, Ali Larter and Sendhil Ramamurthy. The characters and storylines from Heroes Reborn will be introduced in a digital series prior to the launch of the TV miniseries.

Heroes epitomizes the pitfalls of heavily serialized drama series. It launched in 2006 with a very strong first-season arc, becoming a critical darling as well as an instant pop culture phenomenon that coined the famous tagline “Save the Cheerleader Save the World.” But it then struggled to maintain the momentum and reinvent itself, ending its run after four seasons. Nevertheless, Heroes quickly earned a cult status, with fans still passionate about it and rallying to bring it back even after NBC abandoned an idea it considered at the time of Heroes’ May 2010 cancellation of doing a 2-hour TV movie or 4-hour miniseries to wrap the show’s storyline.

Heroes has been one of the most profitable titles for NBC’s sister studio, Universal TV, ranking as its biggest international and DVD seller. The studio had been exploring ways of doing another Heroes chapter with new characters elsewhere, with Microsoft’s Xbox at one point entering discussions with Kring and Uni TV for a new season that didn’t come to fruition. Maybe encouraged by the great reaction fans of 24 have had to the reboot of that cult series as an event mini, NBC opted to step in and take in the project as a miniseries. “The enormous impact Heroes had on the television landscape when it first launched in 2006 was eye-opening,” Salke said. “Shows with that kind of resonance don’t come around often and we thought it was time for another installment.

The network made the Heroes Reborn announcement during its Olympics coverage tonight with the following promo: [CLICK LINK BELOW]

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/nbc-heroes-miniseries-2015/
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NBC To Bring Back ‘Heroes’ As 13-Episode Event Miniseries In 2015

Most useless promo vid ever created. There was a thread started about this yesterday: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1519327/heroes-mini-series-on-nbc-in-2015#post_24396474
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Most useless promo vid ever created. There was a thread started about this yesterday: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1519327/heroes-mini-series-on-nbc-in-2015#post_24396474

Haven't watched the video and am still trying to decide whether to watch the 13 episode reboot of Heroes. Fool me once, and all that.
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