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post #241 of 719
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

The latest version of MakeMKV seems to always mark forced subs as forced. Like this:

English Subs
English Subs (forced)

So far, when forced subs were needed I have had them (like on Avatar and The Tourist). I use a Dune for playback. When I hit the sub-titles button I'll have two sub tracks and the second one is the forced.

The flag I am talking about gets marked internally (not the MakeMKV UI but instead if you look at the actual PGS files). What I think MakeMKV is doing is marking the forced subtitles as Default, so if you have multiple subtitles then the forced one should be default appear. This requires that you have subtitles turned on. This is different from marking as forced. When marked as forced the forced subtitles should appear, even when subtitles are shut off on the player. Dune doesn't support the forced subtitle flag yet in mkvs but other players do
post #242 of 719
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The flag I am talking about gets marked internally (not the MakeMKV UI but instead if you look at the actual PGS files). What I think MakeMKV is doing is marking the forced subtitles as Default, so if you have multiple subtitles then the forced one should be default appear. This requires that you have subtitles turned on. This is different from marking as forced. When marked as forced the forced subtitles should appear, even when subtitles are shut off on the player. Dune doesn't support the forced subtitle flag yet in mkvs but other players do

Yes, normally I keep the subs off until I realize I need forced then just turn them on. For example with Avatar I heard them talking gibberish so I turned on subtitles 2 which were the forced titles. Not a big deal turning on forced subs on the dune when I need them. I suppose I could turn on subs number 2 at the beginning of a movie if they are there, but never remember to do this until I hear words I don't understand.
post #243 of 719
Are you sure there is no line by line table "forced sub" . I extracted a sub file from an MKV file and there are a lot of table fields, I see no good reason the MK Tools/rippers can not use that? This way the player can read the flag "forced=true" or "forced=false" per line and know what to do based your preference. There really is no need to two subs like that.

I guess my original questioned was more so, why not add a sub and a Forced_subs download to the DB?
post #244 of 719
Hey guys, let me just say that this thread has been immensely helpful for me recently as I've been recoding my bluray backup collection to MP4. Being able to find which movies need hard-coded subtitles this easily has been great, so thank you for your efforts.
post #245 of 719
nevcairiel has posted his first build that is compatible with forced subs flags. It works for him with Avatar, and for me with Paprika.

BTW, if the spreadsheet (thanks!) is still being updated, Paprika has "forced" (as opposed to "separate") subs. Only 5 lines in the whole primary English sub track.
post #246 of 719
Just curious... has anyone encountered any forced English subtitle tracks for TV shows on DVD or BD? Or does this pretty much just apply to movies?
post #247 of 719
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Just curious... has anyone encountered any forced English subtitle tracks for TV shows on DVD or BD? Or does this pretty much just apply to movies?

Yes, there are some TV shows with forced sub tracks. "The Tudors", "Weeds", and "The Pacific" are a few that come to mind but there are others.
post #248 of 719
Thanks Killroy!

Anybody know if Lost has forced subs? I'm pretty sure they're burned in...
post #249 of 719
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Thanks Killroy!

Anybody know if Lost has forced subs? I'm pretty sure they're burned in...

Lost is burned in.


Mike
post #250 of 719
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Originally Posted by MikeEby View Post

Lost is burned in.


Mike

Thank you Mike!
post #251 of 719
One more subtitle question:

Can DVDs have forced subtitles within the main subtitle track like BDs? Or is it always a separate track?
post #252 of 719
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

One more subtitle question:

Can DVDs have forced subtitles within the main subtitle track like BDs? Or is it always a separate track?

To answer my own question... yes, sometimes forced subtitles on a DVD can be flagged within the main subtitle track. However, this seems to be a rarity.

DVDSubEdit is a great program to find forced subs. You can actually load up .VOB files and it will tell you all of the subpicture streams within the files and there is an option to only view forced subtitles. Very cool (even though I'm probably the only one still using DVDs ).
post #253 of 719
fyi whoever put the bourne trilogy at the end/bottom:
this list is alphabetized (so it shouldn't be at the bottom)
the bourne movies are/were already listed
at the very bottom, I've started putting cinavia movies. the bourne movies don't have this
post #254 of 719
It appears that True Blood Season 3 has forced subs on a separate track for almost every single episode (1 or 2 do not have them). Look for the small English track near the bottom for the forced subs.
post #255 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post
It appears that True Blood Season 3 has forced subs on a separate track for almost every single episode (1 or 2 do not have them). Look for the small English track near the bottom for the forced subs.
At least this is one instance where it is good I pulled them off my cable box instead of having to deal with forced subs on a disc
post #256 of 719
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post
At least this is one instance where it is good I pulled them off my cable box instead of having to deal with forced subs on a disc
But you miss out on all that wonderful DTS-MA goodness.
post #257 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy

But you miss out on all that wonderful DTS-MA goodness.
yeah\\ for tv shows it isnt as important for me
post #258 of 719
Eastern Promises forced subtitles are scope friendly.
post #259 of 719
True Blood Season 3 has some forced subtitles. They're on the 2nd English track. So far, both episodes on disc 1 have some.
post #260 of 719
Any forced subs in the LOTR extended BD's? I used MakeMKV and checked only the English forced subs for all English subs, but all came up "empty" per MakeMKV.
post #261 of 719
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Any forced subs in the LOTR extended BD's? I used MakeMKV and checked only the English forced subs for all English subs, but all came up "empty" per MakeMKV.

Just got the extended BDs today, guess I will find out soon enough. I don't remember there being forced subs in the original BDs.

Now the question, do I rip as two discs for each movie or try to merge into one mkv per movie. Never done the merge mkv thing so not sure how well that works
post #262 of 719
All three have forced subs...not many but some.

They are all on separate tracks that are not flagged as forced.
post #263 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

All three have forced subs...not many but some.

They are all on separate tracks that are not flagged as forced.

Yeah, thinking about just ripping as two discs with Clown_BD so I don't have to worry about forced subs
post #264 of 719
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yeah, thinking about just ripping as two discs with Clown_BD so I don't have to worry about forced subs

I kept them as a single MKV to make it easier and have to worry about disc swapping.
post #265 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I kept them as a single MKV to make it easier and have to worry about disc swapping.

Many jukeboxes should handle multi disc without the need to disc swap. Did you simply merge the two discs with mkvmerge?
post #266 of 719
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Many jukeboxes should handle multi disc without the need to disc swap. Did you simply merge the two discs with mkvmerge?

Nope. I joined the two m2ts files with eac3to into a single MKV.
post #267 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Nope. I joined the two m2ts files with eac3to into a single MKV.

Hmmm...I wonder if I do that and then bring it back to a BluRay folder rip with Clown_BD...
post #268 of 719
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Hmmm...I wonder if I do that and then bring it back to a BluRay folder rip with Clown_BD...

You can probably do a straight join/demux then to a BD structure but I have no idea if its possible.

Try it and report back cause it would be good to know.

Just do: {location of m2ts#1}.m2ts+{location of m2ts#2}.m2ts -demux
post #269 of 719
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

You can probably do a straight join/demux then to a BD structure but I have no idea if its possible.

Try it and report back cause it would be good to know.

Just do: {location of m2ts#1}.m2ts+{location of m2ts#2}.m2ts -demux

I assume you are losing chapters doing it this way though, correct, since you are just grabbing the individual m2ts files?
post #270 of 719
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They are all on separate tracks that are not flagged as forced.

I was afraid of that. Will use Clown_BD. Thanks.
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