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post #481 of 556
1/28/13 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

I got a reply on this in the Ripping Blu-Rays II thread. That person had the same 13 hours long issue. He confirmed that there were forced subs, but they were burned in. Maybe someone can update the spread sheet with that info?

Anyone has rights to edit the spreadsheet, if you don't let me know.
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post #482 of 556
1/29/13 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Stryker412 View Post

Anyone has rights to edit the spreadsheet, if you don't let me know.

Oh, is that so? So then I guess my question is how? :-) When I click on the link in the first post it opens in my browser. Is there a different site to go to for downloading the actual spreadsheet file?
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post #483 of 556
1/29/13 at 11:03am
Yeah, I've never been able to Edit the document either. Someone must have changed the permissions so you have to be added, rather than a truly-public document.
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post #484 of 556
2/1/13 at 7:23am
That sucks. Probably somebody in the industry.
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post #485 of 556
2/1/13 at 7:26am
I did find this editable version online, but I have no idea if it's from the OP or if someone splintered off a copy because the original one was no longer editable:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkGO8UqErL6idDhYYjg1ZXlORnRaM3ZhTks4Z3FrYlE&hl=en#gid=0
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post #486 of 556
2/2/13 at 5:33am
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I'll check the permissions, I never changed it so you couldn't edit.


Edit: This is my original document. Whether you found one someone copied from mine, I'm not sure. But mine has always been open to edit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkGO8UqErL6idDhYYjg1ZXlORnRaM3ZhTks4Z3FrYlE&usp=sharing
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post #487 of 556
2/20/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by Stryker412 View Post

I'll check the permissions, I never changed it so you couldn't edit.


Edit: This is my original document. Whether you found one someone copied from mine, I'm not sure. But mine has always been open to edit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkGO8UqErL6idDhYYjg1ZXlORnRaM3ZhTks4Z3FrYlE&usp=sharing

The link in the first post takes you to the version that cannot be edited.

Bill
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post #488 of 556
2/21/13 at 7:40am
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OK I'll edit the first post. Odd, I never changed the link.
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post #489 of 556
2/26/13 at 12:15pm
Game of Thrones Season 2 has forced for at least the Dothraki parts. Ugh. Seriously just burn it in. Who is going to learn Dothraki and want to turn it off.....?!?!
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post #490 of 556
2/26/13 at 12:26pm
I added Argo to the spreadsheet, but it's been a few days since I ripped it and I forget the track number. It was the second English sub track.
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post #491 of 556
3/15/13 at 12:19am
I added End of Watch to the spreadsheet. Hardcoded subtitles for the few spanish parts.
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post #492 of 556
3/20/13 at 9:31am
The US blu-ray of Zero Dark Thirty has forced subs on track 7.
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post #493 of 556
3/20/13 at 1:47pm
Thanks to everyone providing these details! A few follow up oddities with Argo and Zero Dark Thirty. I'm using Handbrake to do all the conversions (using the nightly builds that support SRTs). For Zero Dark Thirty I'm presented with only 3 total subtitles (2 English and 1 Spanish). None of these provided the proper forced subs and I finally tested the Foreign Audio Search and that worked! Totally bizarre.

Argo also was interesting. The forced subs appeared to be in an actual SRT file (i.e., I did not have to select "Forced Only"). I believe it was the second english track as well, but again, it only worked if I did not select "Forced Only". Never had either of these issues before.
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post #494 of 556
3/20/13 at 10:57pm
Looks like this document has been locked down again, preventing editing. What's going on? Can someone open it back up please?

-R
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post #495 of 556
3/21/13 at 7:48am
Seems to be working now. I just edited the Last row where the Movie Title was missing and the column for that row was blank. I assumed it was Zero Dark Thirty. If it isn't, whoever added the data to the last row needs to identify the title of the movie..
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post #496 of 556
3/27/13 at 11:12pm
I've noticed when playing many original Blu-rays that they appear to have no subtitles enabled, while still showing forced subs. Movies ripped with ClownBD don't work this way.

So I did a little research and figured it out. Updated my wiki page on Forced Subs with ClownBD to explain it, under the "Advanced" section. It requires a lot of manual steps, but results in a nicer final presentation.

Today I ripped Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 2, which has two forced subs starting at 0:52:59 that BDSup2Sub doesn't quite understand. The forced subs that it extracts are not quite right (first one is way too brief). Rip it using my "Advanced" method, and everything turns out great.
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post #497 of 556
3/28/13 at 2:50am
There was a question on The Hobbit about whether or not there are forced subs. On the spreadsheet it says yes but doesn't clarify whether forced or hardcoded, or the region disc. I ripped my Blu ray and didn't get any forced subs so I assumed they were hard coded. Thoughts?
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post #498 of 556
3/28/13 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

There was a question on The Hobbit about whether or not there are forced subs. On the spreadsheet it says yes but doesn't clarify whether forced or hardcoded, or the region disc. I ripped my Blu ray and didn't get any forced subs so I assumed they were hard coded. Thoughts?

That was my experience. I didn't find any forced subs but it had the elvish subs.
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post #499 of 556
3/29/13 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by martinm0 View Post

Thanks to everyone providing these details! A few follow up oddities with Argo and Zero Dark Thirty. I'm using Handbrake to do all the conversions (using the nightly builds that support SRTs). For Zero Dark Thirty I'm presented with only 3 total subtitles (2 English and 1 Spanish). None of these provided the proper forced subs and I finally tested the Foreign Audio Search and that worked! Totally bizarre.

Argo also was interesting. The forced subs appeared to be in an actual SRT file (i.e., I did not have to select "Forced Only"). I believe it was the second english track as well, but again, it only worked if I did not select "Forced Only". Never had either of these issues before.

These were the last two movies I ripped via Make MKV. I found both to have subtitles but the forced flag is not correctly set on either one from the ripped files. The forced subs work fine when playing the disc back. I had to use MKV Merge to remux the movie so the flag on the correct subtitle track would be forced when playing back the MKV in MPC-HC. i have been finding more and more of this lately. Usually a sure sign of this behavior is when playback software or your BR player asks what language to select when you first insert the disc (such as with Star Wars or the Avengers blu rays). Some discs however do this even without selecting the language. Kill Bill comes to mind, and now Zero Dark Thirty as well as Argo I have found to do this as well. At least with my set-up. All of these rips have required me to remux the movie with MKV Merge and properly set the flag on the correct track to forced.
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post #500 of 556
3/29/13 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by jeff lam View Post

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Originally Posted by martinm0 View Post

Thanks to everyone providing these details! A few follow up oddities with Argo and Zero Dark Thirty. I'm using Handbrake to do all the conversions (using the nightly builds that support SRTs). For Zero Dark Thirty I'm presented with only 3 total subtitles (2 English and 1 Spanish). None of these provided the proper forced subs and I finally tested the Foreign Audio Search and that worked! Totally bizarre.

Argo also was interesting. The forced subs appeared to be in an actual SRT file (i.e., I did not have to select "Forced Only"). I believe it was the second english track as well, but again, it only worked if I did not select "Forced Only". Never had either of these issues before.

These were the last two movies I ripped via Make MKV. I found both to have subtitles but the forced flag is not correctly set on either one from the ripped files. The forced subs work fine when playing the disc back. I had to use MKV Merge to remux the movie so the flag on the correct subtitle track would be forced when playing back the MKV in MPC-HC. i have been finding more and more of this lately. Usually a sure sign of this behavior is when playback software or your BR player asks what language to select when you first insert the disc (such as with Star Wars or the Avengers blu rays). Some discs however do this even without selecting the language. Kill Bill comes to mind, and now Zero Dark Thirty as well as Argo I have found to do this as well. At least with my set-up. All of these rips have required me to remux the movie with MKV Merge and properly set the flag on the correct track to forced.

So what tracks did you find to have the forced subtitles?
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post #501 of 556
3/29/13 at 7:44am
@Jeff Lam, for what it's worth, once you've identified which subtitle track is the one to force, you don't have to remux the entire film in MKVmerge. Instead, if you load the MKV into MKVmerge's Header Editor (File > Header Editor) and then set the flags there, you can just do a File > Save and the change is instantaneous, not the several minutes it takes to remix otherwise. I use MakeMKV to rip and have documented my own process for getting Forced Subs to work once and for all in this thread.

-R
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post #502 of 556
3/29/13 at 2:34pm
Tried to edit the spreadsheet but it wouldn't let me.

The Avengers BR has foreign language subtitles in the third English track. They aren't forced.
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post #503 of 556
3/29/13 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by rsinclair View Post

@Jeff Lam, for what it's worth, once you've identified which subtitle track is the one to force, you don't have to remux the entire film in MKVmerge. Instead, if you load the MKV into MKVmerge's Header Editor (File > Header Editor) and then set the flags there, you can just do a File > Save and the change is instantaneous, not the several minutes it takes to remix otherwise. I use MakeMKV to rip and have documented my own process for getting Forced Subs to work once and for all in this thread.

-R

I was wondering if there was an easier way. I was hoping there was just a flag change. I'll have to try it out.

Thanks
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post #504 of 556
3/30/13 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by tsutton002 View Post

Tried to edit the spreadsheet but it wouldn't let me.

The Avengers BR has foreign language subtitles in the third English track. They aren't forced.

I just checked and it was last edited a few minutes ago. Are you still not able to edit? We also need to start cleaning this up. I see a bunch of duplicates with different information (Star Wars, xXx).
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post #505 of 556
3/31/13 at 8:48pm
Hi
Perhaps you can help. I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
Phil
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post #506 of 556
4/1/13 at 4:46am
I'm having an issue with Avatar's forced subtitles. I get them to work in MPC-HC and XBMC, but not in Windows Media Center/Player. Not a huge deal but I'd like the full functionality.

I used MKVMerge Header Editor to set the "normal" subtitles to "No" for all the flags, and for the "forced" subtitles to "Yes" for forced (and "no" for the others). This works on every other show/movie I have.

Thoughts?
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post #507 of 556
4/1/13 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by plouie10 View Post

Hi
Perhaps you can help. I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
Phil

How about muxing this into an mkv using mkvMergeGUI instead?
Edited by Sammy2 - 4/1/13 at 5:13am
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post #508 of 556
4/2/13 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

How about muxing this into an mkv using mkvMergeGUI instead?

Thanks but I was converting to 25GB blu-ray in order to keep HD Audio
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post #509 of 556
4/2/13 at 4:23pm
I have a couple hundred mkv's with HD Audio so I'm not seeing the issue here?
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post #510 of 556
4/2/13 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by plouie10 View Post

Thanks but I was converting to 25GB blu-ray in order to keep HD Audio

If your player doesn't support HD audio in MKV, I'd say it's time for a new player! smile.gif
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