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post #601 of 719
The new US Blu-ray of Hannah Arendt (2012) has unusual forced subs. The movie's audio is in English with some German.

The first sub track contains English subs for the German parts, and needs to be forced on. Curiously, only three of the subs are flagged as forced. These three are English translations of German on-screen text (a newspaper headline, for one).

The second sub track is English SDH including descriptions of sounds. It also has the same 3 subs flagged as forced.

To rip with ClownBD, you need to check (not grey) the Forced Subs box. If I understand Clown correctly, this should enable a proper rip.
post #602 of 719
The US Blu-ray of The Internship has a separate track with a single forced sub. It is also flagged as forced, so ClownBD (with Forced Subs box greyed) will properly find it.
post #603 of 719
The US Blu-ray of Crystal Fairy (2012) has two English sub tracks, and the second one needs to be forced on. ClownBD doesn't pick this up automatically.

It's also not CIH-friendly.
post #604 of 719
I just stumbled upon this thread. I had ripped a movie with menus version of Gran Torino a little while back with Clown BD Copier. After browsing this thread I went back to that rip to see whether it handled the forced subs correctly. Apparently it handled it fine. Being that Clown BD is known to need handholding on Gran Torino for forced subs, I wonder if using Clown BD Copier to get the movie plus menus takes care of any movies that normally need handholding. The idea being that keeping the menus performs the initialization needed to automatically turn on the forced only subs track. Do you think that is why it worked? And do you think that always ripping a movie + menus version with Clown BD Copier will always handle forced subs? It might be a nice way to avoid having to check the movie db to see whether you need to process a particular movie differently. Obviously I know that some of you have no interest in menus so this won't be applicable to everyone, but for those of us that want or at least don't mind menus, it would be one less thing to worry about.
post #605 of 719
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Originally Posted by baedrik View Post

I just stumbled upon this thread. I had ripped a movie with menus version of Gran Torino a little while back with Clown BD Copier. After browsing this thread I went back to that rip to see whether it handled the forced subs correctly. Apparently it handled it fine. Being that Clown BD is known to need handholding on Gran Torino for forced subs, I wonder if using Clown BD Copier to get the movie plus menus takes care of any movies that normally need handholding. The idea being that keeping the menus performs the initialization needed to automatically turn on the forced only subs track. Do you think that is why it worked? And do you think that always ripping a movie + menus version with Clown BD Copier will always handle forced subs? It might be a nice way to avoid having to check the movie db to see whether you need to process a particular movie differently. Obviously I know that some of you have no interest in menus so this won't be applicable to everyone, but for those of us that want or at least don't mind menus, it would be one less thing to worry about.

This is the first time I've heard of this tool. Evidently in addition to the familiar "Clown_BD" for ripping movie-only, there is also "Clown_BD BD Copier" for ripping movie + menus (and minus non-movie video files). That's not confusing at all. rolleyes.gif

From what I can tell it leaves all the BDMV (and/or BD-J) code intact, so yes forced subs should work just as well as they do with full ISO rips. But there's still the limitation that this requires full-ISO playback capability.
post #606 of 719
Anyone rip the 3D version of 'Avatar'? Why are forced subs so hard to get with this title?! I'm trying to rip to a MVC MKV with MakeMKV. Choosing just forced results in the Na'vi parts and other random parts showing up in the output file. Choosing the only English sub track results in all English subs throughout the movie. How can this be ripped properly to MVC MKV?
post #607 of 719
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Anyone rip the 3D version of 'Avatar'? Why are forced subs so hard to get with this title?! I'm trying to rip to a MVC MKV with MakeMKV. Choosing just forced results in the Na'vi parts and other random parts showing up in the output file. Choosing the only English sub track results in all English subs throughout the movie. How can this be ripped properly to MVC MKV?

Avatar (the 2D version) always caused me issues with getting the forced subtitles. Running through eac3to it would grab the forced subs but it would screw up the timestamp so they would not appear at the right time. I guess there is no way to mux in the 2D subs into the mvc mkv?
post #608 of 719
Sure, I think I could mux the 2D theatrical version sub into a 3D MVC MKV. I looked at opensubtitles.org and subscene.com, but they only have low quality SRT subs. You don't happen to have just the subtitle track (PGS) for theatrical 'Avatar' do you? I only have the 3D and extended 2D blu-rays.

I basically decided to save all my 3D BD's as MVC MKV's because they play well in Mede8er and just fine as 2D in XBMC. Also, for Disney titles, no more seamless branching hiccups. Plus, if I ever want an ISO again, I could re-rip or simply mux the MKV into ISO via the new tsMuxeR that supports 3D.
post #609 of 719
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Sure, I think I could mux the 2D theatrical version sub into a 3D MVC MKV. I looked at opensubtitles.org and subscene.com, but they only have low quality SRT subs. You don't happen to have just the subtitle track (PGS) for theatrical 'Avatar' do you? I only have the 3D and extended 2D blu-rays.

I only have the extended edition as well for 2D
post #610 of 719
Hmm, just think I found a way... used MakeMKV choosing regular English sub, then extracted just the sub using BDSup2Sub. Then, output to a new subtitle (PGS) choosing only "forced". Seems to have done the trick. Now, need to remux and check.
post #611 of 719
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

The US Blu-ray of The Internship has a separate track with a single forced sub. It is also flagged as forced, so ClownBD (with Forced Subs box greyed) will properly find it.

Oddly, DVDfab only found the single subtitle track for The Internship for the single forced sub around 1:04. It did not have to be marked forced only in handbrake when I encoded it.

Anyone remember if Man of Steel or Way Way Back had subtitles? DVDfab is acting strange, so I wanted to be sure.
post #612 of 719
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Originally Posted by shortcut3d View Post

Anyone remember if Man of Steel or Way Way Back had subtitles? DVDfab is acting strange, so I wanted to be sure.

Way Way Back does not have any forced subs.
post #613 of 719
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Originally Posted by shortcut3d View Post

Anyone remember if Man of Steel or Way Way Back had subtitles? DVDfab is acting strange, so I wanted to be sure.

Man of Steel has no forced subs.
post #614 of 719
Thanks!

It seems as if DVDfab worked for both titles grabbing all the subs as PGS and muxing them into the MKV. Maybe The Internship was different. Bluray discs are so inconsistent.
post #615 of 719
Thread Starter 
Just added Elysium to the spreadsheet. It has Spanish throughout on subtitle track #2.
Edited by Stryker412 - 12/17/13 at 3:53pm
post #616 of 719
I'm confused, do we "check" forced subs when using makeMKV or not? I use to always click "forced subs" but then after all the xbox playback issues i nixd it. forced will only show stuff like spanish on an english movie, right?
post #617 of 719
Thread Starter 
Forced in MakeMKV aren't necessarily what you're looking for. For instance just tonight I did Elysium and the parts that are foreign language are a track on it's own. I generally use Ripbot to burn the subtitles in to the movie permanently so I never have to worry about how a player handles subs.
post #618 of 719
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Originally Posted by Stryker412 View Post

Forced in MakeMKV aren't necessarily what you're looking for. For instance just tonight I did Elysium and the parts that are foreign language are a track on it's own. I generally use Ripbot to burn the subtitles in to the movie permanently so I never have to worry about how a player handles subs.
I redid Elysium with forced and it didn't show subs. I will try to research this ripbot you speak of. Any info on that program? Degradation of pq ?
post #619 of 719
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Originally Posted by Stryker412 View Post

Forced in MakeMKV aren't necessarily what you're looking for. For instance just tonight I did Elysium and the parts that are foreign language are a track on it's own. I generally use Ripbot to burn the subtitles in to the movie permanently so I never have to worry about how a player handles subs.

Which track was this? Bluray?
post #620 of 719
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Originally Posted by jbcain View Post

I redid Elysium with forced and it didn't show subs. I will try to research this ripbot you speak of. Any info on that program? Degradation of pq ?

I just searched I think subscene, found the forced subs and remuxed back in to my Elysium mkv
post #621 of 719
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by augerpro View Post

Which track was this? Bluray?

Track #2 and yes BluRay.
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Originally Posted by jbcain View Post

I redid Elysium with forced and it didn't show subs. I will try to research this ripbot you speak of. Any info on that program? Degradation of pq ?

I'm probably not the best person to ask about degradation. I downrez all of my movies to 720p to save space and on my 55" I doubt anyone would notice too much. On darker scenes I can see slight macroblocking but to fix that I bump the constant quality setting to a higher bitrate. Some longer movies with DTS can take up to 11GB but that's not typical. Usually my encodes are between 4-7GB.
post #622 of 719
US release of 2 Guns has subs hardcoded into the video.
post #623 of 719
The Lone Ranger also has hardcoded subs.
post #624 of 719
Chernobyl Diaries (2012)? It has a lot of Russian parts but I couldn't find any subs to correspond. I'm guessing those parts are unimportant to the plot or I'm missing something.
post #625 of 719
Wolverine has non-forced subtitles -- looks like track 9.

-Tim
post #626 of 719
Thread Starter 
If using MakeMKV it's subtitle track 3 or 4. Not sure why both work but I verified in SubTitle Edit that both have 101 subtitles.
post #627 of 719
What do you mean by track 3 or 4? I see only two English subtitles in MakeMKV for Wolverine. Which do you mean? Or do I not have something set correctly in my MakeMKV settings?

post #628 of 719
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

What do you mean by track 3 or 4? I see only two English subtitles in MakeMKV for Wolverine. Which do you mean? Or do I not have something set correctly in my MakeMKV settings?


It would be the smaller of the two -- I believe it's the first one if memory serves right. I personally don't use MakeMV but take another route to burn the subtitles in.
post #629 of 719
Can you use MakeMKV to tell which is smaller? For this movie I went over to ClownBD and had it create the _FORCED.sup file and then used MKVmerge to put that file into the final MKV.

Since ClownBD was able to successfully see the forced subs and create a file, does that mean that MakeMKV should have been able to do the same if I just clicked a selection for "English (forced only)" above, leaving the check by just "English" blank? this is assuming I pick the correct one of the two forced English selections of course
post #630 of 719
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Can you use MakeMKV to tell which is smaller? For this movie I went over to ClownBD and had it create the _FORCED.sup file and then used MKVmerge to put that file into the final MKV.

Since ClownBD was able to successfully see the forced subs and create a file, does that mean that MakeMKV should have been able to do the same if I just clicked a selection for "English (forced only)" above, leaving the check by just "English" blank? this is assuming I pick the correct one of the two forced English selections of course

To be honest i'm not sure -- I have the SRT file that I created and the first subtitle is listed below:

1
00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:54,212
What's wrong with you?

The last is:

101
01:53:36,895 --> 01:53:39,230
Be well, sister.

-Tim
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