Lionsgate's Crank 2 - Page 7

It affects only one brand? I though it affected any brand that didn't have memory? It affected my PS3 when I had to free up 7,000KB of space just to play it. That is the first disc I couldn't play in three years of watching BDs.

I meant 7,000KB more or less 7 MB. I keep my HDD in my PS3 full as I do a gaming too. I tried deleting some demos I downloaded and the disc would not play till I had at least 7MB free. I tried it at 4MB free, then 5MB, then 6 MB. I then noticed the file itself was around 7MB after it had downloaded.

It loaded up on my sammy 1400 on my tired try. I gave up after 2 since i heard that the disc was not playing. And since i got it off netflix it caused no harm to try. So then my brother stopped by and i told him it wont even load up it would just eject the disc and say "disc will not play" on screen, he then asked to see and outta know nowhere the thing loaded up fine. I tryed 2 more times just to see if it was just something random but it kept working.

I'll make this one last comment, and then I think I'll bow out of AVS (like pretty much any other insider or person with knowledge has already done). But since you seem comfortable to pretty much call me a liar and a marketing department's worst nightmare (even though the studio was well aware that I was doing the interview before I agreed to it), I guess I have no choice but to clarify my comments here since people appear to not have time to actually read and comprehend what was said elsewhere.

Lionsgate didn't decide it needed to educate BD customers. It only decided to author the disc to get the very most out of the BD spec and make the user experience the very best it could given the requirements of the content. What everyone realized after the fact was that there was a VERY small segment of the Blu-ray population (the problem doesn't affect almost all PS3s, profile 1.0 or 1.1 players, or any profile 2.0 players that contain memory- either included like the Oppo or user supplied) who weren't equipped technically for this disc.

And that's the only thing I'll say about it because no matter what I tell people, some of you guys are clearly smarter than I am and know what kind of conspiracies and hidden agendas are at play here. Some of you don't care that you're correct, you just care that you're right. I have neither the time nor the patience to waste on people too busy rehearsing their comeback line to actually listen to and contemplate what I'm trying to tell them. If anyone wants to discuss this further, you can talk to me via PM, but I won't discuss it further publicly because all anyone wants publicly is to talk about me "blaming" Blu-ray or needing to "come clean" about what really happened.

(and for anyone who was legitimately interested in hearing more about the authoring and creation of the Crank 2 Blu-ray, sorry about this. I had a whole long explanation about things already written up but I ultimately deleted it all because I have no desire to go through all that trouble to simply be called a liar by people in no position to do so. I'll save the explanations and details for people who deserve them.)

Cliff I took the time to read the interview, the explanation just logically doesn't make sense based on the way the product was rolled out. I'm sure the dump to memory was purposely designed to speed up loading, but...

If you *did* know that most Panasonic 2.0 players wouldn't play the movie without an SD card (which they don't come with), why not put this info that they need one on the loading screen? Or why not include a sheet of paper in the box that says Panasonic BD-Live players need an SD card inserted? Why not simply program the disc to treat a player as BD1.1 spec if copying the data to memory fails?

It just makes more logical sense that a Panasonic 2.0 player w/o SD card was not a combination that got QA'd and hence was not programmed/compensated for... Because if it did get QA'd and the authoring house realized this, much more consumer education or at least notification in the box or on the disc's loading screens should have been done. Either way someone blew it, the QA team, authoring house, or studio for failing to assist the consumer in learning why the disc won't play in their player - though I bet the disc could have been coded to fallback to "BD1.1 mode" if the copy to memory failed in the first place.

THAT is precisely the point.

There is no excuse for the authoring errors on this BD.
"Contemplation" doesn't change anything, but it is (uh, I better stop here).

Panasonic has been the preferred standalone player on this forum and Lionsgate should be aware of this and if they are not...

Well done, guys. You managaged to drive away another industry insider. Way to go. Now, instead of having actual facts and real information, we can go back to baseless speculation, blind guesses, and mindless poo-throwing. Kudos.

Out of everyone posting in this thread, we had one guy who actually knew what he was talking about (the guy who actually produced the disc in question!) and you guys managed to piss him off to the point that he may not post here anymore. While many of you may not care, some of us would actually like real, factual answers to these questions as opposed to the speculation and BS the so-called "experts" throw around. It's almost like you guys don't want insiders here. Why anyone would want a site full of self-proclaimed "experts" (who don't have a bit of first-hand information to offer) as the only source of information is a mystery to me, but you're likely going to get your wish.

What a shame...

This thread has been nothing but trouble. Buy PS3's people and stop buying cheap ass Panasonic players. Here comes the heat....

respectfully request you limit posts to a 'civil discussion'

Two members banned from the thread. If bickering continues, more maybe or the thread closed.

Any firmware corrections to this or any other problamatic discs?

I just had the time to finally open this disc I was given as a gift sometime last fall.

Plays fine after a long load on a 1.1 player, but just a center block on a friends 2.0... what a disappointment.

I do not have or want any of my players tied to the internet, I do not have a HS internet connection, a Player is a Player, & not a device for the internet, that is why I have a PC, & the reason I chose a 1.1 player over a 2.0.

I'm becoming sorry that I purchased the few movies on Blu-Ray now, there is nothing like a standard DVD!

You shouldn't have to connect the player to the internet.
Your player just needs built-in BD Live memory or you need to install an SD card for the BD live memory.
Once the disc detects the BD Live memory, then the disc will load completely.

OK now where would I get the BD Live memory? On the machine in question (LG530) there is no memory card slot... not sure if there is a USB slot, machine isn't mine.

This LG 530 machine supersceded this thread, I was really surprised it did have issues & the older player played this. I do know there is a firmware upgrade to the LG530, though from what I read here, I am lead to believe no firmware will fix this issue.

Thank you for your reply, I know this is all old hat & obsolete, yet stores still stock this disc.

Makes me hesitant to buy anything in Blu-Ray at this point.

"The USB device can be used for the local storage for enjoying BD-Live discs"

http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/...ayer-BD530.jsp

The link takes me over to the player support, tries to load some flash file then crashes, I'm taking just a blank USB memory stick (reading between the lines of at least 4g) installed in the USB slot will suffice then? Not having this player in my possession I have yet to try this but I'll pass the suggestion.

TY again for your reply.

TY, I have only 2g & 4g sticks laying around, so I hope this works, one would think newer players would have had increased memory just in case. The BD player handles Standard DVD's better than the norm, but there seems to be a lot of pausing & loading when navigating around any BD.

I will try this, though hypothetically will inserting a mem stick or card in the player increase speed or loading times? I'm thinking this format was not well thought out now, & I'm certainly not going to replace any standard DVDs with BD for fear of future compatibility problems.... since there were standardization issues, surprised it beat out the HD DVD format.

Of all the DVD's I've owned or rented over the years, I only recall problems with the movies 8mm & FM that would not play new out of the box. 20/20 hindsight here, I would have rather had this movie on the regular DVD format. As very few movies I'll notice any real difference, but there are some exceptions.

TY both for the help (for the technically inept) , a 4g flash drive did the trick, & loaded the menu without a hitch in the LG 530. Noted also the scrolling menu had an added selection box 'LG Live' which seemed to be an added feature only uable if connected to the internet.

I'm curious though if the flash drive or SD card enhances the performance or speed of these machines with any movie? I've noted one saying in this thread that they had SD cards dedicated to their machines. Does this store files on the memory stick/card after the disk is playing or is this just create a swap file that deletes itself?

I've tried two different brand new copies of Crank 2: High Voltage both from Best Buy on two different Blu-ray players within the last week, and they both exhibited an issue where the loading screen comes up then sticks and won't progress while sound continues playing in the background.

Both Blu-ray players I've tried them on were brand new with the latest firmware. (Sony BDP-S590 and BDP-S790) All my other Blu-rays play flawlessly, so I'm wondering if maybe they had a bad run of copies from the manufacturer. Anyone else have issues with this particular movie on BD?

It worked OK on my LG BH200. It's been a year or so since I watched it and I don't remember if I bought it from Best Buy or Amazon...

Apparently I'm not the only one with problems. It has something to do with requiring a BD-Live connection on 2.0 Profile players. Older 1.x profile players didn't have the problem, and new players with built-in storage and BD-Live enabled don't have the problem according to what some guys are saying.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=113491

I'm going to enable my BD-Live on my 790 and toss in a memory card just to see if that actually fixes it.

I just leave all that BD-Live stuff off and don't put in memory or connect the player to the network. I don't really care about extras and I haven't had any issues with any movies. More "features" = more problems with this format.

Yeah I'm the same way. I don't use any of that crap. Lionsgate screwed up with this specific movie. You should never need to have any of those features enabled just to watch the feature presentation.

There were some angry letters written to Lionsgate because of this specific film having playback issues on certain players without a BD-Live connection. Netflix pulled it from their Blu-ray offerings for a while as well because of it. I'm not sure if they ever added it back.

I have had similar problems with some Lionsgate discs of that vintage on my Sony Blu-Ray player and they play fine with my Funai player that is older and less complicated with no online stuff.

Yeah apparently the problem is specific to BD-Live capable players without built-in storage. That will be confirmed once I get my USB storage added to my player, enable BD-Live, and test it again. I'm expecting it to work just fine after those things are in place.

Just adding the extra storage should solve your problem. There is no need to connect it to the Internet.

I just remembered that I had the same problem with The Expendables DC on my Samsung player but it has onboard memory. I restarted the unit and it loaded fine though it did take some time. I've since disabled the BD-Java online through the player setup.

This has been discussed ad nauseam. Plug in a USB flash drive and the disc will play.