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post #661 of 964
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Paul,

I was thinking to incorporate LED strip lighting for under-cabinet lighting in the kitchen. I was looking at your web site, and I was just wondering how to incorporate RR2 with these two products:

Product Name: 12vdc RGB LED Ribbon (tape)
Product ID: LED-RGB

Product Name: 12vdc RGB Basic Control
Product ID: LED-RGB-WC

Since it states on the product page for the controller not to use a dimmable power supply, I was thinking that an appliance control module to turn it on and off is the only option.

Is that correct?

Thanks.

Mark

I apologize I haven't been keeping up with this thread lately as we are implementing new enterprise software and a new website to come.

Yes. You can simply switch the LED RGB controller & power supply on & off as you are thinking. You have to be careful on how you want to use it though. If you are using any type of controller that is programmable you want to make sure it has retentive memory. Switching the way your are suggesting may wipe out any programmed settings. The RGB LED Controller requires a regulated power supply. The controller it self usually has some dimming function, but common "constant voltage" type dimmable LED transformers are simply rectified AC transformers and don't provide a true, regulated DC output. The LED Strips don't really care, however the RGB controller's require the true DC.

Lutron make a RGB controller for the Grafik Eye but I haven't heard of anyone using it for this yet, as it requires a DMX connection/controller and some extensive programming I believe.

You may want to consider a newer RGB LED as well. There is now an addressable version and specific controller so you can not only do color changes, but motion like chasing or waves. They even has some Apps to control from your iPhone or android.
post #662 of 964
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Paul,

Is there a combination fan/light control for RR2, like they have for Maestro?

Thanks.

Mark

Sorry, have to use to separate controls, no combo's in RR2 yet. (remote mount & use keypad)
post #663 of 964
Giomania, looks like you have you timer control covered. I want to remind some of you about the 2 different RR2 switches.

A lot of people are suggesting the RRD-8S-DV for switching, which if fine, but unless you have no neutral connection or need to switch 277vac then use the RRD-8ANS. For your timer, it appears you already have a neutral there, so why spend the extra money for the RRD-8s-DV

RRD-8S-DV is for 2 wire switching 120vac or 277vac (more $$$)

RRD-8ANS is for switching 120vac only where there is a neutral connection available. (less $$$)

If you aren't sure the voltage or if there is a neutral the RRD-8S-DV is the safe choice.
post #664 of 964
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Originally Posted by spiwrx View Post

Giomania, looks like you have you timer control covered. I want to remind some of you about the 2 different RR2 switches.

A lot of people are suggesting the RRD-8S-DV for switching, which if fine, but unless you have no neutral connection or need to switch 277vac then use the RRD-8ANS. For your timer, it appears you already have a neutral there, so why spend the extra money for the RRD-8s-DV

RRD-8S-DV is for 2 wire switching 120vac or 277vac (more $$$)

RRD-8ANS is for switching 120vac only where there is a neutral connection available. (less $$$)

If you aren't sure the voltage or if there is a neutral the RRD-8S-DV is the safe choice.

Understood Paul. I was thinking I did not have a neutral in that junction box where the landscape light circuit wires pass through, but I may, as there are other circuits passing through. One of the things I need to do is to investigate where I do or do not have neutral wires in the boxes before I finalize my plans.

Oh, I think you missed one of my posts. cool.gif After alot of background material, I asked this question at the bottom of post number 655 above: Is it simply the case that the 6NA, 10D, and 10ND dimmers all now support Incandescent, ELV, and MLV loads, and Lutron needs to update their documentation?

Thanks.

Mark
post #665 of 964
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Understood Paul. I was thinking I did not have a neutral in that junction box where the landscape light circuit wires pass through, but I may, as there are other circuits passing through. One of the things I need to do is to investigate where I do or do not have neutral wires in the boxes before I finalize my plans.

Oh, I think you missed one of my posts. cool.gif After alot of background material, I asked this question at the bottom of post number 655 above: Is it simply the case that the 6NA, 10D, and 10ND dimmers all now support Incandescent, ELV, and MLV loads, and Lutron needs to update their documentation?

Thanks.

Mark


The documentation is correct, although the most recent revision of the instruction sheet has the new fan speed control included.

The 6NA is the only RadioRA 2 dimmer that is capable of reverse phase control necessary for dimming ELV loads in addition to incandescent and MLV.

The 10D and 10ND are symmetric forward phase control only for control of incandescent and MLV.

post #666 of 964
Just got a new Lutron TouchPro (thanks Paul) and just installed it it. Thermostat is working fine, but when controlling the set point with the Lutron iPhone app, I'm seeing sporadic behavior. 50% of the time, if I press the up or down set point buttons relatively quickly, the temperature setting changes at first, but then reverts back to the original set point. Sometimes just pressing the up or down button once doesn't even "take", meaning I have to press the button several times to make it react. Control directly on the thermostat itself works perfectly

Anyone else see this?
post #667 of 964
I see the same thing on TouchPros. They need slow presses presumably because it is a two-way control and has some sort of feedback loop.
post #668 of 964
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Originally Posted by schalliol View Post

I see the same thing on TouchPros. They need slow presses presumably because it is a two-way control and has some sort of feedback loop.


OK, thanks. So I didn't get a lemon, it's just the way it is? Anyone else see the same issue? Paul?

Presumably, they could re-write the iPhone app to "wait" a bit while the user is pressing the up/down arrows quickly until he stops. Then only send the set point command once at the final setting. Same way the dimmer sliders work, where the lights don't change level until after you take your finger off the slider. The way the TouchPro set point seems to be working now is that the iPhone/Main Repeater is continually sending the new set points for every button press (up or down) and the system can't keep up, and messages are getting lost.

-D
post #669 of 964
I only know the polling is slow in regards to communication with touchPro. Had another customer using the seeTouch w/ SeeTemp wall controls and they would also be slow to respond to changes.
post #670 of 964
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Originally Posted by spiwrx View Post

I only know the polling is slow in regards to communication with touchPro. Had another customer using the seeTouch w/ SeeTemp wall controls and they would also be slow to respond to changes.

Thanks Paul.

I assume you meant your other customer was using a TouchPro with a seeTemp wall control (you said a seeTouch)?

I'm surprised Lutron would let this out the door the way it is implemented. I understand Honeywell makes the guts of the thermostat, but the way the iPhone app works to change the setpoints is really bad. Next is to try and integrate with RTI to see if it's any better using my RTI controllers.

-D
Edited by DMILANI - 2/19/13 at 12:51pm
post #671 of 964
Has anyone used a Powr Savr occupancy sensor on their covered porch? The spec sheet says that its for indoor use only so was wondering if someone experimented with it. Anybody have any other suggestions if the occupancy sensor is not an option? Switch for the CFL lights is an RRD-8ANS. Thanks.
post #672 of 964
6.0.0 is out, just FYI
post #673 of 964
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Originally Posted by DMILANI View Post

Just got a new Lutron TouchPro (thanks Paul) and just installed it it. Thermostat is working fine, but when controlling the set point with the Lutron iPhone app, I'm seeing sporadic behavior. 50% of the time, if I press the up or down set point buttons relatively quickly, the temperature setting changes at first, but then reverts back to the original set point...

Yep, if you use the iPhone/iPad app or a seeTemp wall control to adjust the set-points of a TouchPro thermostat, the app or seeTemp will often fail to report the resulting new values immediately (sometimes not for minutes or hours later). I have observed that the requested adjustments do occur immediately and correctly, but are just not reflected immediately in the app or on the seeTemp. You can confirm this by looking at the setpoints displayed on the TouchPro device itself, and seeing that they differ from the setpoints being reported by the app or seeTemp.
post #674 of 964
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6.0.0 is out, just FYI

And the accompanying upgrade of the Lutron Home Control+ app for iPhone and iPad, version 5.0.0, is now available from the App Store.

Unfortunately:
  • The new version of the app crashes on startup on my iPhone 5.
  • The new version of the app seems to work OK on my 1st-generation iPad, but it no longer includes HVAC or Timeclock info on the "HomeGlance" page. Grrrr.

Note: I have not yet upgraded my RR2 system to the new 6.0.0 software; perhaps that would fix one or both of the above problems.

Update: I fixed both problems by completely deleting the app and its data from both devices, and then reinstalling the app and re-entering the system setup info (system name, user name, password).
Edited by dring - 2/20/13 at 1:16am
post #675 of 964
With iOS app 5.0, I too had to quit the app, but I didn't have to uninstall it. I went to home and double tapped the home button. Then I pressed and held the icon and then hit the -. It worked afterwards.

Strangely I have issues transferring 6.0.0. I get the select repeater window, which shows the repeater online yet even after selected and saved shows the transfer failing. Anyone else get this too?
post #676 of 964
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Originally Posted by dring View Post

Yep, if you use the iPhone/iPad app or a seeTemp wall control to adjust the set-points of a TouchPro thermostat, the app or seeTemp will often fail to report the resulting new values immediately (sometimes not for minutes or hours later). I have observed that the requested adjustments do occur immediately and correctly, but are just not reflected immediately in the app or on the seeTemp. You can confirm this by looking at the setpoints displayed on the TouchPro device itself, and seeing that they differ from the setpoints being reported by the app or seeTemp.

Hmm, my experience is different then. In my case, the set point on the TouchPro itself does not change in many cases, so if I'm pressing the up or down buttons quickly on the iPhone app, say from 64F to 68F, the iPhone display will at first increase to follow my presses, but will then revert back to 64F, and the TouchPro itself will remain at 64F (i.e., it never changed). I have to press up or down very slowly, like once per 5 seconds, to make the set point increase or decrease reliably on both the iPhone screen and TouchPro itself.

Is this normal?

-D
post #677 of 964
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Originally Posted by schalliol View Post

With iOS app 5.0, I too had to quit the app, but I didn't have to uninstall it. I went to home and double tapped the home button. Then I pressed and held the icon and then hit the -. It worked afterwards.

I tried that first, but it wasn't sufficient in my case.

(However, I have subsequently seen the second problem -- the absence of HVAC and Timeclock info from the HomeGlance page -- re-occur on the iPad. I cleared it up by switching to view one of the Demo systems, and then back to viewing my own system. So it is likely that the full uninstall-reinstall wasn't necessary to fix that particular problem.)
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Strangely I have issues transferring 6.0.0. I get the select repeater window, which shows the repeater online yet even after selected and saved shows the transfer failing. Anyone else get this too?

Having immediately encountered bugs with the new iDevice app, I thought I would wait and let someone else be the guinea pig for the new RR2 software. smile.gif
post #678 of 964
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Originally Posted by DMILANI View Post

Hmm, my experience is different then. In my case, the set point on the TouchPro itself does not change in many cases, so if I'm pressing the up or down buttons quickly on the iPhone app, say from 64F to 68F, the iPhone display will at first increase to follow my presses, but will then revert back to 64F, and the TouchPro itself will remain at 64F (i.e., it never changed). I have to press up or down very slowly, like once per 5 seconds, to make the set point increase or decrease reliably on both the iPhone screen and TouchPro itself.

Interesting. In the cases I had seen in the past, I wasn't using the up and down arrows, but rather pressing one of my programmed keypad buttons to change setpoints (e.g., an Away button that turns down the furnace), and then noticing that the change occurred correctly on the TouchPro but showed incorrect values in the app and on seeTemp controls for some length of time after the change.

I just now tried pressing the up and down arrows rapidly, and I do see the behavior you described, and as you implied, it is not consistent: sometimes rapid presses work correctly and sometimes not.
post #679 of 964
Great, so it's not just me :-)

My understanding is the Lutron protocol does not support a setpoint up/down command, but instead sends discrete temperature settings for each up or down press, i.e., set to 65, set to 66, set to 67, etc). It seems that when you press the up/down quickly, the TouchPro gets held up processing the first command, and subsequent commands get dropped on the floor. That's why I suggested Lutron could change the way they implement the up/down by "waiting" a bit to see if you are going to press the up/down subsequently and quickly, and then only send the final setpoint command. Even waiting 7-10 seconds wouldn't be a big deal - it's not like lighting where the scene needs to change instantly, this is temperature control that will take a while to get up to temp anyway.

Again, I'm very surprised Lutron let this out the door the way it works. It's almost unusable unless you are only changing the setpoint by one degree up or down.

-D
post #680 of 964
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Originally Posted by schalliol View Post

Strangely I have issues transferring 6.0.0. I get the select repeater window, which shows the repeater online yet even after selected and saved shows the transfer failing.

Just a wild guess: one of the new features of 6.0.0 is:

  • Faster database transfers (system transfers what was changed instead of entire database).

Did you make any changes to your configuration? If not, maybe it won't do any transfer at all. (Yes, it ought to at least update the repeater with the new software even if you didn't change your configuration at all, but maybe that case wasn't implemented correctly.) You could test this by making a trivial change to your config, for example, changing the label text on one of your buttons.
Edited by dring - 2/20/13 at 1:45pm
post #681 of 964
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Originally Posted by (-frogman-) View Post

The documentation is correct, although the most recent revision of the instruction sheet has the new fan speed control included.

The 6NA is the only RadioRA 2 dimmer that is capable of reverse phase control necessary for dimming ELV loads in addition to incandescent and MLV.

The 10D and 10ND are symmetric forward phase control only for control of incandescent and MLV.


Thanks for the confirmation, frogman.
post #682 of 964
For my lamp controls, I was thinking to just use the Tabletop Lamp Dimmer (RRD-3LD-WH), even though I use CFL lights in the lamps. Assuming the CFL's are non-dimmable, I was thinking the bulbs work fine on full power from the dimmer, since at full power, it is not dimming? Does that make sense, or does anyone have any practical experience with this?

The reason I want to go this route, is for the future when I get dimmable CFL's or LED bulbs.

Thanks.

Mark
post #683 of 964
How is RA2 integrated with exterior motions, e.g. Optex? VCRX the most common route, if no other controller?

Any suggestions welcomed.
post #684 of 964
dring, Your thought is a good one. I think in this case there is a larger issue because it asks me to select a repeater, only to find selecting it doesn't seem to do anything. I don't have any current reason for a change however, so I'm not broken up about it at the moment. Does everyone else see transfers operating efficiently?

Thanks!
post #685 of 964
I am wanting to integrate my RA2 system in with my URC remote that I currently have URC/Lutron dimmers connected. I don't like the fact that I have two seperate systems all made by lutron. Is there a way I can use an IR transmitter to transmit to RA2 switches/dimmers? I do know they sell a switch that has an IR window on them and I am not sure where you would use this? Can anyone help with this? confused.gif
post #686 of 964
much easier to upgrade the master and repeater firmware first.
otherwise it seems to get into a loop where the master has been
updated and then it can no longer find the repeater.
post #687 of 964
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

How is RA2 integrated with exterior motions, e.g. Optex? VCRX the most common route, if no other controller?
Any suggestions welcomed.

I'm likewise interested in answering this question. I'd like to put the spot light fixtures in places that won't really do a good job of typical motion sensing (too high up under the eaves). So I'd like to but separate sensors down closer to where they'd detect the motion. This isn't a high security situation, so I'm not terribly worried about potential abuse of it, more to just get reliable motion detecting.

I'm wondering how well a RA2 system can be configured to allow for being able to turn the spots on/off manually but also be able to set up an automation mode. As in, during a party ignore the motion sense and only react to on/off switch presses (or tablet control). But then also have an automatic mode where detected motion would turn them on, and eventually turn them back off again without manual intervention.
post #688 of 964
Someone at cocoontech said using an Elk or other controller for motion integration would be ideal, with RA2. Haven't researched it more, though.
post #689 of 964
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

Someone at cocoontech said using an Elk or other controller for motion integration would be ideal, with RA2. Haven't researched it more, though.
Right and that's sort of the thing I'm considering. At the same time I'd like to have an alarm system setup, with the option to use a monitoring service. As in, I want control and configuration control of the equipment FIRST, and monitoring ability second. Not something installed by a service and locked down by them. I don't need all the marketing 'peace of mind' claptrap, I get it, some folks buy into that. Nor do I want to spend $50/month. We don't need monitoring THAT bad.
post #690 of 964
How about installing the RR2 occupancy sensor on an outdoor weatherproof housing? I would like a simple solution to turn on the patio lights at night when someone is at the door and not get overly complex with the system to do it.
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