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post #811 of 965
I'm definitely frustrated one can't get compatible shades for Serena like prices. Why should we have to pay more for everything? We've paid for the processor, that should be enough.
post #812 of 965
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Originally Posted by schalliol View Post

I'm definitely frustrated one can't get compatible shades for Serena like prices. Why should we have to pay more for everything? We've paid for the processor, that should be enough.

The fact that the marketing and distribution model is based on dealers. I can only imagine the kind of order commitments staples had to sign to get them to open it up even this much. And of course they had to "cheapen" the appearance of the new Pico Dimmers instead of sticking with the classic Maestro design so as to not cause any ripples. There are only 2 dimmer models available, no switches or keypads, so it is more of a toe in the water at this point. But at least it is opening the door to a new distribution model.

Update: Revolv has a (potentially compatible) Lutron radio in it too. No announcements of device compatibility, but another step.
Edited by az1324 - 11/5/13 at 2:58pm
post #813 of 965
I haven't heard the details on what Staples will offer yet, but the difference between the Serena RF and what they are now calling Triathlon honeycomb Is a little over 30% but even at that it is still as cheap or cheaper than a lot of the competition that won't easily integrate or be controlled by RR2.
post #814 of 965
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Originally Posted by schalliol View Post

I'm definitely frustrated one can't get compatible shades for Serena like prices. Why should we have to pay more for everything? We've paid for the processor, that should be enough.

These have never been a poor man's toys. They were already a considerable price break from the previous technology. And a darn sight better performing too (quieter and more energy efficient). Still, let's hope for better pricing brought by economies of scale.

It's been the bane of most automation tech from the get-go. The challenge is getting over the hump of the very small high-end market. Where it's pretty dumb to 'leave money on the table'.

Me, I get the nagging feeling some of the new cheap stuff is going to make existing investments look a bit much, and soon. I'm definitely playing a wait-and-see on the Linksys/zonoff hub stuff. Could be an interesting development for low/mid-range control scenarios. But that probably deserves it's own separate thread.
post #815 of 965
On a side note, I just wanted to point out this thread is over 4 years old and still pretty active. For the most part it has been positive and constructive compared to some of the other RR2 threads and forums I've read. I'd like to think the goal here is to explain and help each other and I think to this point we have all done a good job. Congratulations and keep it up!
post #816 of 965
BTW, Thanks wkearney99. I had never heard of ELK until you mentioned it and have spent way too much time dreaming up how/wher to use it... (For other aspects of our business I often sell & program simple PLC's and theirs looks compelling)

Immediately I've been planning my own Pool/Spa controller based on a PLC and VCRX, I may be able to use the Elk product instead....
post #817 of 965
Bill, I stumbled on this today looking for something else. I believe you are on 2 Main repeaters and using Pico's so this may apply to you depending on what the Pico's are controlling.

From the Lutron resource site:
"The below link will open a document that outlines the procedure for changing the RF channel for one way transmitter devices. These procedures are necessary when using one way transmitting devices (Pico keypads, Radio Powr Savr Sensors, etc.) on both Main Repeaters in a two Main Repeater system."

http://resi.lutron.com/Portals/4/docs/appnotes/OWT%20Device%20Freq%20Change%20Procedure%20for%20Multi-Channel%20Systems%20E.pdf

Email me if you have any trouble accessing the file.
post #818 of 965
Hmmm, looks interesting. I've only got one Pico configured and active, and it's been a little wonky. But I expect that has everything to do with the repeater not being effectively placed for RF coverage. I tried moving the 2nd repeater and the situation didn't improve. Now I know why, the Pico had been activated on the other one. I won't be able to test this for a few days, but I'll follow the PDF's instructions and see how it works out.
post #819 of 965
Breaking the subject flow here but just had 2 problems/solutions I though I'd share I had never come across yet or at least not with these variables: [Just sharing in case these could be helpful to any of you]

Scenario "A": Separate "pool" house out of range.
The simple & cheapest way to do this is to plan for it and connect the main repeater and auxiliary repeater via the mux link. A call I took the other day though, the Pool house was finished and not any easy way to get new wire in. It was suggested that since there is a WiFi router in the pool house we could connect 2 main repeaters (even though we don't need the extra devices) to allow the 2 main repeaters to communicate over Ethernet. This was confirmed via Lutron CS but not yet tested. [Also requires inclusive software/programming]

Scenario "B": Feed back on garage door position.
Homeowner wants to know if the garage is open or closed, there are a handful of ways to do this but the only way to do this with 100% certainty is wire additional limit switch(s) or sensors to the CCI inputs of the VCRX. Other ways would be to monitor button presses but with no direct feedback from the door you never would know 100% if the door made full travel or was returned due to obstacle or?? This unique situation in this problem was a finished garage already with a VCRX in place and no way to get new wires in the wall to add additional limit switches. My approach was to relocate the VCRX near the motor unit of the garage door and typically any limit switch and wiring can be attached to the rails of the garage door. One of the CCI(1) inputs of the VCRX could be wired back to a traditional garage door button (or use/program a Keypad instead) and the CCI(2) could be wired to a down limit switch (assuming this was the more important state of the garage door). The VCRX only has 2 inputs so unless we can use a keypad at the original button location we are limited to that. Alternately we could simply add and additional VCRX in the same manner for the sole purpose of monitoring those limit switches. The cost of the VCRX and a regular Keypad is almost the same, personally I think a keypad would look better and operate easier, as the hard buttons on the VCRX are rather small, but it wasn't said if there was power available for a keypad.

To monitor this you could look up the VCRX in the APP and check the CCI status light(s) on the VCRX or program them to operate a Scene.
Edited by spiwrx - 11/7/13 at 9:30am
post #820 of 965
My installer just ordered me a Radio RA2 foundation kit. One of the issues I have is a ceiling fan in my living room. I'd love an all-in-one switch to replace the old Casablanca device that's there, but all I can find from Lutron is seperate fan controllers and dimmers. I don't think this will work as a direct replacement for the Casablanca device. Any suggestions?
post #821 of 965
Right, no RA2 combined dimmer/fan control. It's not terribly difficult to add another gang to a switchbox. There are retrofit kits to attach one alongside an existing box. If you've got 3-wires to the fan, that is. But if you've got a wireless receiver up in the canopy you're out of luck.

I have one place where I cannot add another position to the box. So I went with a hybrid keypad and a fan control. I plan on putting a dimmer in an adjacent location nearby (closet, most likely). I'll use one of the buttons on the hybrid to control it, along with the recessed cans on the hybrid's own dimmer.

I'd absolutely love to have a RA2 capable wireless canopy fan/light control. Like the Maestro unit. But, alas, no RA2 version of that exists... (yet?, soon?, never?)
post #822 of 965
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. That's really an inelegeant solution to the problem. This is already in a 4 gang box and I don't want to make it any bigger. I'll probably end up going with a MA-LFQHW-WH for now to match the other Lutron switches and plan on replacing it later if/when Lutron comes up with a better solution.
post #823 of 965
Yes, this is indeed on everyone's want list for RR2. Keep asking, you never know.

You probably don't have the luxury but I would remote mount a dimmer & fanspeed control and place a keypad in the gang box. No it's not elegant but given what we have to work with, it's difficult either. Hopefully there is a nearby closet or attic space?
post #824 of 965
Unfortunatly there's not. The nearest closet is about 20ft away and up a half flight of stairs.

The one saving grace is that each bedroom in this house has a double gang setup for their fans with a single switch for the fan and another for the light. That will make upgrading those later a snap. It's only in the living room and the kitchen that I really have this issue.
post #825 of 965
When to use the new RRD-6CL (CFL/LED) vs. the existing RRD-6NA (phase-adaptive dimmer)?
post #826 of 965
Thats a good question, I've been trying to get a good answer from Lutron, best so far is:
  • Low Price point compared to 6NA
  • Will work with only 1 "Approved" LED lamp/Module (Though it doesn't have as low a min. wattage as 6NA)
  • No Neutral
post #827 of 965
I always hated how the VCRX looked in my old garage, just screwed to the wall with a draped cord to an outlet & door-opener wires hanging below. Well in the new house I just had new garage doors installed so I thought I would flush mount it. The garage still needs to be finished, pegboard removed & painted, but this was the result on the rough wall:


It fit nicely in this sideways mounted TV box from Carlon (SC300PR), the mounting screws even lined up to the LV side plate mount behind it, though I spaced the VCRX off the back about 5/8".

I wanted to mount it just opposite, with the receptacle below, but there was a fire block right there and I really didn't want to go much higher. It's already roughly centered around 5' for good visibility of the small buttons. Later I will cut a filler panel to hide the open space.
post #828 of 965
Nice work, Paul. That box would look fine, mounted next to an existing ceiling outlet, in the garage.

Did you consider other TV boxes?
post #829 of 965
No, I was just bored waiting for the installers and had that one laying around for a future TV. It's my personal favorite for TV's. But I think it would work in most other boxes given roughly a 3gang position width. I know some others offer a cover that would hide it completely, I think the version from Arlington does, but I will actually be using it as a keypad as well.

The mounting holes line up to the wall plate holes in this box (on the LV side of this Carlon box it has a 2G opening with device and plate mounting holes), so you need a device or other mounting method, possibly for other boxes that only have device mounting (most regular boxes). I think you could easily use a duplex "clock" outlet if you just wanted to hide the transformer and mount the VCRX over it.
Edited by spiwrx - 12/6/13 at 4:34pm
post #830 of 965
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Originally Posted by spiwrx View Post

Yes, this is indeed on everyone's want list for RR2. Keep asking, you never know.

+1
post #831 of 965
For any of you also using the Lutron Support forum they are monitoring and deleting posts. A reply to one of my posts concerning the lack of direct access to to VCRX from the Home Control + app was deleted early this morning.

My question basically was why wasn't the VCRX in the APP, and how to monitor the CCI's and operate the CCO's. What we have been doing and Lutrons official response was create a virtual keypad and load for each.

However in my email notification from the same post someone had replied trying the "Home Commander+" APP. It looks like it may only be for iOS right now, but it looks promising and only $18.99. It says it has WiFi and LTE support but doesn't go into much detail. Has anyone else tried this yet?? It also says it has an advanced off timer. Which if it works is something we have got a lot of requests for. I would assume it uses a countdown timer in the app to send and off command, so if your device is out of range after it is initiated I can only assume this won't work for anyone. But this is purely an assumption I haven't played with it yet....

Happy Holidays!!!
post #832 of 965
Ok, one last thing before we shut down for our Christmas Holiday. I Have 2ea Touch Pro Thermostats and 2ea of the 10 Button Table Top Keypads in Snow and Midnight in overstock I'm discounting until they are sold or we return in January. Go to my website and search AVS if you would like to order. Approx. 10% off my regular prices. (These will not ship until January 2nd) first come first serve!!!! All are new in box, full mnf. warranty, no gimmicks I just have too many in stock....

Edited 1/24/14
LMK if you are still interested I may still have one laying around...
Edited by spiwrx - 1/24/14 at 3:24pm
post #833 of 965
^^^

I just bought the app but there are no setup instructions or help menus:

I was able to log onto the Lutron processor by entering IP address and log in: it downloaded from the processor quickly: I can control shades and lights from it: it has an extensive list of favorites you can program

will play with it more in next few days

note this is listed as an iPhone app when you search for it...search Home Commander+
post #834 of 965
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It fit nicely in this sideways mounted TV box from Carlon (SC300PR), the mounting screws even lined up to the LV side plate mount behind it, though I spaced the VCRX off the back about 5/8".

Nice. I've been debating how I was going to install a repeater inside a closet, now I know. The main wiring closet is a bit far from the driveway and Pico signals don't quite make it. So I'm figuring on moving my second repeater to a better location. There's power nearby so it should be easy to just run a line to that sort of box. Thanks for the picture!
post #835 of 965
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^

I just bought the app but there are no setup instructions or help menus:

I was able to log onto the Lutron processor by entering IP address and log in: it downloaded from the processor quickly: I can control shades and lights from it: it has an extensive list of favorites you can program

will play with it more in next few days

note this is listed as an iPhone app when you search for it...search Home Commander+
Interesting. How's the experience? Lutron's app over VPN works well for me and I'm doing a Roomie install soon.
post #836 of 965
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^

I just bought the app but there are no setup instructions or help menus:

I was able to log onto the Lutron processor by entering IP address and log in: it downloaded from the processor quickly: I can control shades and lights from it: it has an extensive list of favorites you can program

will play with it more in next few days

note this is listed as an iPhone app when you search for it...search Home Commander+
Interesting. How's the experience? Lutron's app over VPN works well for me and I'm doing a Roomie install soon.

it is a basic program compared to Lutron's app: for example you store favorites under a menu called favorites 1-8 but you cannot rename the favorites

it appears it can only do one server at a time: it supports VPN

I think wait for updates they say are coming
post #837 of 965
I am curious what everyone is looking for in an app and if what I have is marketable....

I wrote a web app almost 4 years ago for my Ra2 system: Interface has sliders for dimmers, buttons for switches/scenes, scene recorder that records the state of all the switches/ dimmers that can be altered and 'played back' , 2 way communication for all the dimmers/buttons/scenes. Server side interlocks (turn one light on/off and it turns another on/off), conditional logic for occupancy.
post #838 of 965
Yes
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Originally Posted by shaun5 View Post

I am curious what everyone is looking for in an app and if what I have is marketable....

I wrote a web app almost 4 years ago for my Ra2 system: Interface has sliders for dimmers, buttons for switches/scenes, scene recorder that records the state of all the switches/ dimmers that can be altered and 'played back' , 2 way communication for all the dimmers/buttons/scenes. Server side interlocks (turn one light on/off and it turns another on/off), conditional logic for occupancy.
post #839 of 965
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Originally Posted by shaun5 View Post

I am curious what everyone is looking for in an app and if what I have is marketable....

I wrote a web app almost 4 years ago for my Ra2 system: Interface has sliders for dimmers, buttons for switches/scenes, scene recorder that records the state of all the switches/ dimmers that can be altered and 'played back' , 2 way communication for all the dimmers/buttons/scenes. Server side interlocks (turn one light on/off and it turns another on/off), conditional logic for occupancy.
I think a few of the key things people are looking for are:
- Simplified VPN (for remote access)
- Countdown timer
- Calendar based time clock/events
- refined look or "skins" for app

Personally mine is slow/intermittent to connect, but I think it's my wifi setup.
post #840 of 965
How many people would be interested if it costs around $750 (including the required hardware)??
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