Originally Posted by Bulldogger
Sorry I don't gamble much. It has nothing to do with your bet or my courage. If you devised some other sort of test of courage, I could take you up on that
. Why don't YOU personally offers some technical reasons as to back up your claims about Theta's CBIII technical inferiority vs the parts selection in other processors. Here's my submission. (1). Only processor costing much more than the Casablanca feature discrete analog outs. (2). The capacitors that Theta uses, the Muse Nichicon are still current caps http://www.minisemi.com/Nichicon%20M...apacitors.html
. Please ask any audio engineers how these caps compare to others. I believe you will find that are still considered state of the art. (3). The PCM1704 dac is still current and the most expensive that TI sells. http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine....yword=PCM1704U
You can debate as to why it would be THE MOST expensive dac in the line up even though some of the other dacs have better published specs. I know what I was told, for this application it still the best dac because of the design, sign magnitude. Now the DSP chips in the Casablanca are outdated. The new board would have to have more processing power, MIPS than what Theta has. That would have to be included in any upgrade. The core parts of the Casablanca are still current production parts and the much more expensive than any of the processor in the 10k or so price range.
You can debate how much of a correlation there is between prices and performance or attack why these companies might prices some components higher than others. However, the CBIII still has some of the most expensive and parts that these vendors who sells these parts consider some of their best. You can attack the vendors but all are free to believe what they wish. Most of the parts in the CBIII are still current in spite of claims to the contrary. Nick called me out. Let him defend this.
As you correctly pointed out earlier, I'm an attorney, not a designer of Audio/Video gear. For that reason, I've never said a word about the "technical inferiority" of Theta's parts whatsoever. Nor do I intend to now, since I won't pretend for a minute that I'm competent to address that subject. From what I've read of your posts, you certainly don't inspire confidence in your judgment on the subject, either.
Nor did I say that the Theta sounded badly. My only comment on the sound quality of the Theta was based on my singular experience in auditioning it many years ago, and chose the Proceed PAV/PDSD instead. Whether the Theta then progressed to better sound through its different DACs I neither knew nor cared about. The Proceed sounded better to my ears when I auditioned them, and chose it. Ultimately, after a sojourn to Krell, I landed with Lexicon, and that sounded best to my ears. The only reason I've moved to the superb Denon A/V preamp is because I felt that the Lexicon was in danger of becoming what Theta had become for several years--irrelevant
. To its credit, Lexicon has offered yet another update to the MC12HD, and it frankly lacks nothing from a versatility standpoint that was my primary reason for moving. As I've said before, I don't have net regret in moving to the Denon, because it is such a great piece, but I do have regret. If Lexicon returns with a platform that I think is more flexible, I would have no hesitation in returning.
What you seem to have missed about my earlier posts was the corporate responsibility behind the product. If I became antsy over a perceived standstill in Lexicon's progress, imagine how I'd have felt if I owned a CBIII. Theta arrived with its legendary 6-shooter at just the point in time to effectively declare both DVD-Audio and Multichannel SACD either dead or on life-support, and then engaged in shameless puffery to convince people that HDMI was right around the corner--something that you bought into, and vigorously espoused, for whatever reasons are compelling to you.
Your posts have also continued to betray an equation of money spent with sound quality. You've taken people to task over the brand of speakers they've purchased, and, in this thread as well, once again suggested that people that don't buy the products that are somehow revered in your judgment, well, their opinion doesn't matter. I've not been afraid to spend decent money on equipment, but it's in the worst of taste to trot that out as though it meant something in an ultimate sense. I learned a long time ago, when blind testing three brands--Chateau Latour, Chateau Lafite, and Chateau Montelena--that the most expensive brand didn't taste the best, and buying labels is for saps. I know I've shifted to a different discussion, but I can assure you the analogy works.
I can't tell you how much I don't care about what the individual parts are in the Theta, because of course that's never what I've talked about, and it's disingenuous for you to shift the topic to something like that. My bet was simple: When Evelyn was on these boards cooing you and others to believe in the imminence of HDMI on an old platform, I called bullsh*t on her, and you (and others) once again defended your pet brand. So I took what was being offered as the "likely" time for the arrival of the add-on, doubled that time, and then offered for those who disagreed to put up $500, since everyone was so certain. Frankly, I liked my chances. As it turned out, I could have even laid odds, and I'd have still won. No one wanted to put up a nickel, you included.
Yes, there was a feud that erupted between the Lexicon enthusiasts and the Theta enthusiasts, and all we ever wanted to talk about was objective criterion, and all you
ever wanted to talk about was that golden sound that you heard, which was hopelessly subjective. So I'll go on record once again: the Lexicon was the best processor I'd heard, and that was why I bought it. I have not been displeased to move to the Denon, which in some respect equals the Lexicon, but does not surpass it. And yet . . . who really cares what I think about how it sounds. That is pointless discussion, on the par of arguing which song is "better" on the same album, by the same artist.
Believe it or not, there were people that chose Lexicon that could have easily afforded Theta, but, for whatever priorities they ascribed to the purchase of an A/V preamp, sound quality among them, they chose Lexicon. Get over it.
Yes, I'm being silly to waste the time I've invested in this post, but it's after 10pm, and I'm not doing anything anyway. Have fun.