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post #31 of 172
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Originally Posted by jjkozlow View Post

Just unpacked mine and have a region question.

I Put two German DVD's ( region 2) and 1 china DVD (region 6) in, all 3 played fine and I didn't have to enter any "codes". I also see no mention of codes in the manual. Why are others talking about entering codes in to play other region discs and mines doing it "automagically"? For example:



Also, transport is noisy. I get a LOUD "clunk" noise when the DVD is first loading (for 1 sec) and then there is a high frequency "whizzing" sound when playing the discs. Hopefully it will be far enough away to not be a bother! You guys getting the same noises?

Thinking of using this player for the bedroom, so it would only sit three feet from me, and be right beside the TV.
My question, will the whizzing noise that comes from the unit be so loud as to be distracting while watching movies at a resonable sound level ?
Also, has enyone had to contact Sherwood in regards to servicing the player?
Are they reputable, dpendable, or even capable of servicing the player since it is actually a rebadged Momitsu?
post #32 of 172
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Originally Posted by jjkozlow View Post

Just unpacked mine and have a region question.

I Put two German DVD's ( region 2) and 1 china DVD (region 6) in, all 3 played fine and I didn't have to enter any "codes". I also see no mention of codes in the manual. Why are others talking about entering codes in to play other region discs and mines doing it "automagically"? For example:

Also, transport is noisy. I get a LOUD "clunk" noise when the DVD is first loading (for 1 sec) and then there is a high frequency "whizzing" sound when playing the discs. Hopefully it will be far enough away to not be a bother! You guys getting the same noises?

I just got this player a couple days ago(it was shipped in about 36 hours from TheNerds.net!) and noticed the same thing. Region 1 and 2 DVDs(both NTSC and PAL) played fine without requiring any numerical code. I guess the default setting is Region 0 which is why any DVD will play. I imagine once I get ahold of a Region B Blu-ray, I'll have to input the code to enable that to play.

As for the noise factor, the player is pretty loud and clunky when I insert a disc or when I rewind or fast-forward. But it's silent when left alone to play the movie. The picture quality looks every bit as good as my PS3. And I may be crazy, but the audio seems to sound a little better, which makes me wonder if bitstreaming through my Pioneer Elite receiver produces better sound than the internal decoding of the PS3.
post #33 of 172
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On the remote I typed the number 973501 (0 = DVD region-free, 1 = BD region A; supposedly BD region-free doesn't work) after power up with the tray in and empty. The player does not echo the number and gives no indication that anything has changed but different region discs play.

Thanks. Like the poster above me though, I didn't need the codes to play other regions stuff, very odd!

OK, I finally have it all hooked up, 7.1 analog outs on the Sherwood to the 7.1 analog ins on my Rotel 1068. I'm playing a DTS Master lossless disc, "Night at the Museum". Damn, this thing sounds very good. Its internal decoding is "legit". This player is replacing a PS3 player. I love the PS3 but the inability to the new audio formats into my non-hdmi preamp was bugging the heck out of me. Needed something cheap; and something with 7.1 analog outs and this Sherwood fits the bill. Now the PS3 moves to the bedroom so I can watch stunning blu-ray in bed too!

More time will tell if I think I like the picture better then the PS3 using blu-ray, I would say at least as good right now, but sound quality wise I'm going out on a ledge already and saying the Sherwood is better then the PS3. Shouldn't be a surprise really now that I'm getting the full potential of the new audio codecs via my 7.1 analog ins. On the PS3 I had to use the optical out which was downrezzing all the new high-performance audio codecs. In more time I will compare the Sherwood to my Sony S550, which is in another system and is also connected via the 7.1 analog outs. Should be a good contest based on what I'm hearing now through this Sherwood!

One thing that stunk setting up the analog outs on the Sherwood is there is no test tone on this thing, or volume channel settings. God only knows if I have each channel going to each channel correctly (I do, but its always nice to "double verify" via test tones out of the player). The volume thing is always nice too, but this player doesn't seem to be suffering from the -10dB subwoofer issue that many players do when using all analog outs. At least that I can tell so far, but thats where I miss not having test tones!

Yes I agree with the others---the transport is CRAZY noisy when loading a disc or just getting to the TOC or whatnot. But once you get the disc going, it settles down and is pretty damn quiet. Not SILENT (I still hear the whizzing but when ANY sound comes on you cannot hear it anymore), but I did QUICKLY compare its noise to my Pioneer 578a when loading discs and playing discs and believe it or not the Sherwood is quieter once things get going, even with the whizzing. The Pioneer is a bit quieter when loading everything, but its NOISIER when playing through a disc. That said, the Sherwood is by no means as bad as can get in transport noise---there are worse!
post #34 of 172
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Originally Posted by jjkozlow View Post

Thanks Seldon.

No, the dvd's I'm playing are "real" region 2 and 6 dvd's, not region zero. These dvd's won't play in ANY of the dvd players I have (I have 8 of them here) besides my Pioneer 578a, which is region free. That's why I'm perplexed why I didn't need a "secret code" and others like you do. Are you sure you even NEEDED ONE??
Based on the response you gave on the Blake dvd, sounds like you did! Very odd. What code did you enter, and where?

Yes, its noisy for sure. But if its far enough away I have no beef. Just hoping the sound is OK via the 7.1 analog outs. I have the Sony 550 as well which I bought for its decoding internal of all codecs and its 7.1 outs----- wonder how it stacks up to the Sherwood.

jjkozlow,

Selden has put his impressions on BD PQ playback saying he thinks its picture quality is similar to the Pioneer 120. Could you give us your input as well? Can you compare to another BD player you may own.

Thanks so much. I'll be in the US in February, and would be grateful to have as many opinions about the Sherwood as possible until then, so I can decide if this is a worthy purchase for me. Thus, any other input will be very welcome. It doesn't have to be a very technical appreciation or frame comparison. General real life life viewing experience is enough for me. Thanks again to any one.
post #35 of 172
OK, audio question.

In the audio setup for digital coax out there are quite a few options. I am using the coax out with option "bitstream legacy" soundtrack (DD, DTE-ES, etc.) to my preamp and it recognizes all those formats just grand.

I'm also using the 7.1 outs on the Sherwood so I can get the latest audio formats (Dolby True, DTS Master, etc.) via analog ins on my preamp. In the digital coax out there is an option for "bitstream HD".

Question is....

I wouldn't have to go into the setup menu and select between "bitstream legacy" (when I'm playing older DVD's via coax into my preamp) and "bitstream HD" (when playing Blu into the 7.1 analogs on my preamp) everytime I switch between old dvd's and blu-rays right?

I'm just making sure that the analog outs on the Sherwood would not be affected by the coax settings in the player. In other words, via my 7.1 analog ins and playing a DTS Master Blu-ray encoded disc, if the Sherwood says "DTS Master Lossless 7.1" when I hit the "audio" button, then that's what should be spitting out of the 7.1 analog outs of the player, right, regardless of the coax settings I choose?
post #36 of 172
I don't believe the digital decoding options should affect the analog outputs. One quick test might be to select the two-channel PCM option and see if you get only stereo from the analog outputs. The receiver I'm using it with doesn't even have 5.1 analog inputs, so I can't make that test easily.
post #37 of 172
good idea. Like a dumbass didn't even think of such an easy experiment! THANKS!
post #38 of 172
Has anyone played any BDs produced by Universal Studios?

I'm getting many HDMI dropouts when trying to watch the extras on 9 and on the first disc of the first season of Heroes. (Both discs have the same navigation features.) The first dropout happens when going from the menu to the first extra. After that it won't stay synced for more than a second or two at a time.The HDMI dropouts are causing my projector to shut down. I have no problems when watching the movie and episodes themselves.
post #39 of 172
I've been having HDMI sync issues when playing the extras on several different BDs. Specifically, HDMI sync is lost when an item in the extras menu has been selected and the player searches for the video clip. Sync is only intermittently regained while the extras are playing. It doesn't stay synced for more than a second at a time. The main presentations on the same BD discs, whether movie or TV episode, play fine.

I've seen this problem with every BD extra I've tried to play through the AV8003, but that's only the extras on 3 BDs so far. Two of them are Universal Studios BDs: 9 and the first disc of season 1 of Heroes. The third is Dark Crystal, produced by Sony.
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System configuration:
Player:
Sherwood BDP-5004 configured to always emit 1080p video and 5.1 LPCM audio. Film mode is enabled. [I probably should try it with film mode disabled.] The player is connected to the pre/pro's HDMI input port #1 (associated with the "TV" input) using a 1 meter AudioQuest A HDMI cable.

The BD player is also connected to pre/pro inputs with component video (port #1), composite video (TV), RCA digital audio (port #6) and analog stereo audio (TV).

Pre/pro:
Marantz AV8003 is configured to always emit 1080p video over HDMI output port #1.

Display:
Mitsubishi HC3800 1080p DLP projector, connected to the pre/pro using a 15 meter AudioQuest X HDMI cable. No other cables are connected between them. No indications of HDMI signal degradation are seen: there are no "sparklies" whatsoever in the projected image.

NO loss of HDMI sync is seen between the AV8003 and HC3800 when HDMI is disabled for the pre/pro's BD (TV/#1) input.

In other words, component video and RCA digital audio from the player to the pre/pro both work fine and the projector displays the HDMI transcoding of the component video with no problems. This suggests to me that the problem is in the HDMI signaling between the player and the pre/pro, but given the complexity of HDMI/HDCP I'm not entirely certain of that.

I'll try a different BD player and an LCD display tomorrow evening to see if they make any difference.

*sigh*
post #40 of 172
It's related to the length of the cable somehow.

Plugging the 15 meter cable directly into the Sherwood player and the projector, bypassing the pre/pro, causes complete loss of HDMI sync while the extras are playing. There is no attempt to regain sync as is seen when the pre/pro is between them. The movie still plays without problems.

Moving the player to the projector and connecting a 2 meter Audioquest A HDMI cable between the player and projector eliminates the problem entirely.

This was tested with the extras on Dark Crystal.

*sigh*
Now I'll have to investigate HDMI amplifiers to see if they help. The long cable run is unavoidable and I want to be able to display other HD sources on the projector.

p.s.
The signal loss and shutdown problems were resolved by changing a setting in the projector.
Its service menu includes a cable length setting. The problems stopped when that was set to "greater than 15 meters".
post #41 of 172
I forgot to mention that while trying to pin down the HDMI issue, several times the 5004 did not display the Dark Crystal BD's menu. It showed the disc's "busy" indicator (which looks sort of like a vase filling with water) for a while and then hung. Opening and closing the drawer persuaded it to restart and then go to the menu properly. Others have reported intermittent non-starts with other discs.
post #42 of 172
I also recently purchased a Sherwood 5004. I've read through this thread a few times and checked a couple of other sources, but I still can't get it to play Import DVDs. In addition to simply attempting to play the disc as others here have claimed works, I've also tried out entering the different region codes.

The disc is I am trying to play is Artificial Eye's Region 2 PAL DVD of "Dersu Uzala". Of course, I'm not totally clear on how to enter the region code, so that could be my problem. Can someone clear up this process for me?

I've been attempting to just turn on the player and enter the code via the remote control on the main Start-up screen, as others have suggested. But the two codes I've used-- 973501 and 973522-- have not worked after multiple attempts. This is my first region free player, so any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.
post #43 of 172
Strange. 973501 works fine for me. Be sure to wait until after all of the player's initialization has finished, and that the drawer is closed with no disc in it. The only other button I press is the "drawer open" button somewhat after entering the code. The player does not give any indication that it has received the code, but my R2 PAL B7 discs play fine.

Make sure you've set the player to output 1080p and that "film mode" is off. Without the 1080p upconversion, it'll output the PAL 576 scan lines, and with film mode on, it'll output the PAL 50Hz frame rate. Your TV might not be able to handle either of those.
post #44 of 172
Thanks Selden. That worked. I had to set the output to 1080p. It also seemed to play the disc without imputing the code. Unless the player remembered the prior code after shutdown, which, if I'm not mistaken, it can't do?

I mean, technically, you should have to input the correct code each time you turn on the player, correct?
post #45 of 172
Jordan,

The player remembers the DVD region setting when powered off. Like all of the other settings, apparently the player writes it to EEPROM or equivalent. Supposedly it does not remember the BD setting, but I don't have any region B or C discs to be able to test that.
post #46 of 172
Thanks again Selden.

But am I the only one who is getting extreme noise from this player?? I see most people are only getting noise when loading and starting up. But each time I've played a DVD thus far, a whole lot of "clinks" and "clanks" begin to become prominent around the 40 minute mark. After a while, however (say 30 - 45 minutes, or close to when the film is ending), the noise subsides and it plays smooth again. This has happen both with Region A and various import DVDs so far. Blu-rays seem to work better, but even those elicit some noise and skipping, particularly when moving though the chapter stops.

Anyone else have this problem??
post #47 of 172
Jordan,

I suggest contacting your dealer or Sherwood about getting a replacement.

Both of mine have made scraping noises only when loading. Except for a minor "whistle" when playing, they've otherwise been almost silent.

Correction: they do make noises when skipping from one video clip to another, e.g. when going to and from a menu. I blame this on long motions of the arm carrying the laser and reader and don't think it's a real problem.

I used the plural above because I'm on my second player: I returned the first one a couple of days ago because Sherwood told me to. It would occasionally hang when loading certain BDs, which I documented for them. I swapped it for a new one at my local A/V store, which had just gotten in another shipment. The new one actually has a smaller serial number than the old one did. The replacement player hasn't hung yet, but I've only tested it twice with the disc that gave me the most trouble, Dark Crystal.
post #48 of 172
Yeah, that's what I went ahead and did. If no one else is getting that kind of noise out of it, then it must just be my player for some reason. I'm exchanging it for another one. Hopefully this one will run a little smoother. Thanks for all your help btw.
post #49 of 172
I just picked up this player to use as a dedicated Region B Blu-ray Disc player. So far the region modifiable aspect of this player is working like a charm. I was a bit disappointed that there was no dimming capability for this player however; and it is a bit noisy not just at start up but during playback too. Still for $157 it is a good investment for me as I already have a Panasonic DMP-BD55 (BD RA) and an Oppo DV-983H (DVD R0).

I do have a setup question though. Under Audio - Digital Output there are a number of choices there, and I want to make sure I have selected the correct one. I have a receiver that cannot decode the HD audio codecs, and I am mainly concerned with 'the highest fidelity audio movie soundtrack possible'. Therefore should I select 'PCM 5.1' as the Digital Output option?

Thanks!
post #50 of 172
If you have a 5.1 speaker configuration, then, yes, that's the one to select.

It should fold the 7.1 surround back audio channels into the 5.1 surround side channels and send full-bandwidth LPCM audio over HDMI. There are relatively few 7.1 BDs, though.

If you don't have HDMI, then select legacy bitstream.
post #51 of 172
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

If you have a 5.1 speaker configuration, then, yes, that's the one to select.

It should fold the 7.1 surround back audio channels into the 5.1 surround side channels and send full-bandwidth LPCM audio over HDMI. There are relatively few 7.1 BDs, though.

If you don't have HDMI, then select legacy bitstream.

Thanks, Selden. I do have HDMI, and I actually have a 7.1 surround setup too, but I was afraid the BDP-5004 might do what the Panasonic DMP-BD55 does when 7.1 is detected and split the surround side channels across the surround side and surround back speakers. Do you know if it does this or if the player simply doesn't send any information to the surround back speakers if there is no surround back information in the soundtrack?
post #52 of 172
Paul,

Sorry, I don't know. I have only a 5.1 speaker system. Maybe someone with a 7.1 system could test that. Maybe you?
post #53 of 172
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Paul,

Sorry, I don't know. I have only a 5.1 speaker system. Maybe someone with a 7.1 system could test that. Maybe you?

lol I guess I will be the guinea pig. I'll report back this weekend. Thanks again!
post #54 of 172
Hopefully this is the right place to post this - if not, many apologies.

Sherwood BDP-5004 freakiness: it doesn't seem to read DVD-R discs burned in Roxio Toast or OS X Disk Utility under OS X version 10.6 (Snow Leopard). It doesn't matter if they're DVD-Video discs (VIDEO_TS) or plain data discs - the Sherwood will immediately spit them out. On the other hand, it tries for several seconds to read the same media before failing if you put a blank DVD-R in the Sherwood.

EDIT - Old DVD-Rs I have burned under older versions of OS X with Toast and Disk Utility seem to work fine. The burner in question is the built-in slot-loading Matsushita (Panasonic) SuperDrive in an Intel iMac.

It will read DVD+RW discs burned on the same system on the same DVD burner with the same software. (I don't have any DVD+R or DVD-RW discs to check with - for now, anyway.)

The same blank media that doesn't work when burned with Toast or Disk Utility on OS X 10.6 will work in the Sherwood when burned on a different computer - in this case, a 2 year old eMachines desktop running Ubuntu 9.10.

Most strangely, burning the same media that didn't work when burned in Toast or Disk Utility, in the same drive, on the same Mac, under the same OS version, does work if I burn with the dvd+rw-tools command-line utilities instead of the usual Mac burning programs.

I wound up stumbling across this bizarre not-exactly-a-bug in the Sherwood because the Insignia NS-WBRDVD (the only other Momitsu-based player I've had any contact with) and the Sherwood both lock up trying to load the menu of the MGM Region 1 DVD of THE WILD ANGELS on the WILD ANGELS/YOUNG RACERS "double feature" flipper disc - which I then ripped, reauthored without menus, and reburned, only to watch it get instantly rejected by the Sherwood.

Seems like this is some sort of OS X burning bug that the Sherwood firmware just happens to have a hypersensitivity about. Other players, including the Insignia mentioned above, have no issues with the same DVD-Rs burned by Toast or Disk Utility.
post #55 of 172
Whats the general concensus on picture quality of this? How does it compare to a Panasonic BD35?

Thanks.
post #56 of 172
Rhythm-X,


What speed did you use when burning the disc?

Don't forget that many players have problems with discs which are burned at maximum speed. The laser in the burner can't make as dark a mark on the disc when it's burned at high speed as it can when it's burned at a slow speed.

Of course, it could also be that the on-disc format produced by that software is not one that the player recognizes.
post #57 of 172
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Rhythm-X,


What speed did you use when burning the disc?

Don't forget that many players have problems with discs which are burned at maximum speed. The laser in the burner can't make as dark a mark on the disc when it's burned at high speed as it can when it's burned at a slow speed.

Of course, it could also be that the on-disc format produced by that software is not one that the player recognizes.


I figure the behavior of the player struggling to read a blank DVD-R is a good approximation of how it might behave if it couldn't read a disc due to excessive burning speeds. With a blank, it struggles for several seconds to get a read on the disk, then ejects it. With any of the troublesome DVD-R burns, the player doesn't act like it's having difficulty reading the disc - it takes it in, quickly reads it, and instantly ejects it in a fraction of the time it takes to fail on a blank DVD-R... but only if the disc was:

A: a -R disc
and
B: was burned on the Mac, under Snow Leopard, and with either Burn, Toast, or Disk Utility.

So far, any deviation from conditions A and B above has resulted in perfectly functional discs - including burning on the Mac, under Snow Leopard, with growisofs (part of dvd+r-tools) at 8x. I can even take one of the DVD-Rs burned at 8x speed that the Sherwood doesn't accept, take it to the eMachine, copy the disk (again at 8x), and end up with a perfectly functional copy of the DVD. Once I get my hands on a couple of +R and -RW discs I'll have a better idea of what might be happening, or so I hope.

EDIT: The weird gets weirder. I got some DVD+R discs. When burned in Disk Utility, not only does a DVD+R not work in the Sherwood (just as with the -R media it's instantly recognized, read, and ejected with no struggling to read the disc), the +R provokes the same reaction from the Momitsu-based Insignia mentioned above, which has no problem with Disk Utility-burned -R discs. Now I just need to test a DVD-RW...

It's not really a big deal as I have plenty of work-arounds for future burns, and for existing discs, I can just rip and re-burn from the Ubuntu box or even the Mac command line. I think your guess about it being a software issue is on the money - indeed, by process of elimination there's little else it could be. It's not a problem with the Blu-ray drive in the player, it's not a problem with the DVD burner, and it's not a problem with the media being burned too quickly or the player simply not liking the blanks I used. I suspect it's just a weird little bug I should report to Apple, uncovered by the Sherwood firmware being really picky about... something.
post #58 of 172
After reading through the thread, I feel like this would make a good Region B player for me. I'd like to confirm if this player is region free and do I have to manually enter the blu ray region free code everytime I want to load Region B discs?
post #59 of 172
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Originally Posted by sinofsins View Post

After reading through the thread, I feel like this would make a good Region B player for me. I'd like to confirm if this player is region free and do I have to manually enter the blu ray region free code everytime I want to load Region B discs?

No. You just set it and forget it.
post #60 of 172
So how loud is this sugar pie? So loud it sounds like something is being killed inside?

Also does it show 4:3 standard def extra features on blu-rays in their correct aspect ratio or does it stretch them out?
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