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scott

Tom, any word on the firmware update?

I need to call my friend they're supposed to have something for my projector also. No answer today it's a Lincoln / Washington holiday.

What do you need just the 1080/24 working correctly?

Yeah, that is it, no big deal, but would be nice to have fixed, plus anything else they may want to add

Cheers

Correct, a working CMS e.g.

In a month, plans to upgrade the Iris system, upgrade the pure motion, fix the 24hz and probably more by the time they get it done.

What do they need to do with the iris system works perfectly?

I hope they don't add so many features we do not see the release for a long time?

Interesting..... supposedly the Vivitek version of this projector has a good CMS, but for some bizarre reason... no grey scale adjustments.

Perhaps Vivitek and Optoma could work a little trade!!

I know what you mean on the Iris, leave well enough alone comes to mind. Well they do have a team of video watchers that just look for things, then the techs figure a way to make it better.

Maybe make them adjustable or something, as there is probably a middle ground between DB1 and DB2, so we could make DB2 slightly less agressive?

Cheers

Well I've got the HD86(00) and unfortunately for me the iris action in DB1 is noticable. I've noticed it mostly after a scene change from bright to dark, when I saw the iris closing down. The material I was watching was a broadcast of the nature series life.

Also when using subtitles (and in Belgium almost all material is subtitled) the dynamic iris is pretty distracting and thus mostly unusable

Sorry to hear that - especially as I'm contemplating buying a Vivitek H5080 - the HD8600's 'cousin'. I'm anxious as to how the iris will perform as I had a painful experience with the Optoma HD8200's iris. This was my first dynamic iris experience and it almost put me off them for good. I now have a JVC RS2 and am enjoying the stability in the image but I miss the DLP ANSI contrast! So I'm demoing the H5080 in a couple of weeks time. Hopefully the iris will be improved over what I saw on the HD8200. When I had that I did notice that subtitled films really threw out the iris system. If you switch off the dynamic iris and just go with the fixed iris for subtitled films what does the picture look like? Watchable?

Unfortunely there is nothing you can do with the subtitle. Any projector using dynamic iris will show grey subtitle when iris is closing down. What you can do is lower the the subtitle primary color to around 50 to 60 percent grey so that it is not too obvious when closing down. Or turn on subtitle for foreign language only.

the problem with the subtitling was that it made the iris pump, opening up when there were subtitles and closing down when there weren't any. My DVD players don't let me change the subtitle color (Toshiba HD-XE1 and PS3) and almost all content is foreign language

The picture does look very watchable even when the DI is off. The improvement the HD86 has over the HD82 in this situation is the second manual iris you can use to tone down the lamp. The DI will no doubt be improved over the HD82. It's silent and smooth in operation. The 'problem' will be less of an issue if your mother language is english

Thanks for your thoughts. I had the HD80 for a few years and was very happy. That had a static iris but no dynamic one. If the HD86 (or in my case the Vivitek H5080) can at least match the fantastic image that the HD80 gave out sans dynamic iris then I'd be happy. If the HD86's dynamic iris system works decently enough most of the time on top of this then even better.

I owned a benq w6000 and the subtitle didn't affect the iris pumping.

My previous projector (still hanging on the ceiling) is the optoma HD800X( HD803). The HD86 matches the picture of this one (the 800x is in about the same league as the HD80). It's a bit sharper and the colors are a tad more vibrant. In hindsight the HD80(0X) did indeed put up a wonderful picture for a low price

Speaking of subtitles, I wish the disc makers would apply a DI effect to them - sometimes there are distractingly bright subtitles in dark scenes.

Hmm, maybe they already do most of the time, or it seems that would be a problem more often.

I ought to have kept my HD80. I thought that the HD82 was going to be loads better but I didn't reckon on the dynamic iris because I'd never had one before. I would have hoped that the HD86 would be quite a bit better than the HD80. Do you mean that it matches it with the dynamic iris switched off? With the dynamic iris on it ought to give a better picture.

It definitely matches the HD80 with dynamic iris off (and probably surpasses it), so you're quite safe in that regard. I think it's safe to say it gives a better picture even with DI off. Probably the HD82 could be a match for the HD80 if they could foresee an option in the firmware that you can set the DI to manual and close it down to match the light output to your room. (Another route that can be taken is placing a filter in front of it to tame the output)

Cheers. Yes, the HD80 was a great projector - though only DarkChip 2. The HD86 is DC3. So we ought to be seeing slightly less SDE, plus incrementally better native black levels and contrast. The HD82 is disappointing because it had no plan B as it were if the user decides to switch off the dynamic iris. That's why the HD86 (or rather it's cousin the H5080) appeals.

Let it be know that your HD82 was broken, it's iris chattered on and off like crazy, like a sledgehammer just slamming. My HD8200 and the HD8200 I tested both work perfectly.

The HD8600 does have even faster working iris mechanics, but my HD8200 is pretty quick also. It doesn't flutter around like crazy like the video you showed about your projector. Take is easy on the HD8200 pls.

Actually Tom if we are going to be totally accurate I should say that Optoma never specifically confirmed that it was at fault. When I first spoke to the dealer and they told me that they would refund me the dealer then made the mistake of saying that it had been confirmed as faulty (these are the same people who just a week before had looked at my HD82 and had said that they could find 'nothing out of the ordinary' themselves) . When I then spoke directly to Optoma the guy there who dealt with my case said that they had decided to accept the return purely on the basis that I have always been a loyal Optoma customer and clearly wasn't happy. For that I am very grateful and have to say that I've had no complaints about Optoma's customer support. I have indeed been a loyal customer over the years.

I should add that I can obviously only speak from my personal experience with the HD82 - with the single machine that I possessed which I believe was indeed faulty. So yes, those reading my reflections on the HD82 should bear that in mind. BTW, Tom, thanks again for all your supportive posts as I was trying to sort out my HD82.

I've got a question for you fellow HD86(00) owners. Can you tell me which firmware version you got currently loaded on the machine. Mine has 1.07.

I'm experiencing some strange behavior from my machine were sometimes a color drops (eg the blue isn't displayed giving a red/green image, can last for a few seconds). I've eliminated all upstream equipment as the cause (different sources,cables, no problem when other display devices are used) and have this on all HDMI ports.

I think from memory mine has 1.07 on it, but I will check tonight and confirm for you. I have not seen the problem you mention, sorry I cannot be of any more help.

There is a new version of firmware on its way apparently

Try another HDMI cable.

Already did. The first cable used was a high quality HDMI cable, 10 meters length. When the projector was exhibiting the behavior I switched to a 5 meter cable to check if the cable was at fault, it wasn't. Source was not the factor either as it appeared when using tosh HD-XE1, XBOX360, DVR

How about the other HDMI input?

Tom,
He said on all HDMI ports.
i would say talk to your dealer and get it fixed or a replacement.

scott