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post #1621 of 2820
Recently upgraded my 3600 to ver 1.1. After changing my Dish 722 dvr to pcm only, I got the pops. Switched back to Digital & pcm and pops went away. Hope this helps someone. I also changed my volume default to very low volume until I changed the dvr back to original setting.
post #1622 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Dawnrivers View Post

154's front panel was a first quality acrylic material which reflects like a mirror (2600's reflects ondulated images) and the brushed metal looked somehow of better quality just like front buttons that looked much better in 154Thank you for the shared information.

Frank

Did you remove the protective plastic overly ... this can be on there REAL GOOD! just like on the Remote
post #1623 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Talon884 View Post

Did you remove the protective plastic overly ... this can be on there REAL GOOD! just like on the Remote

I was wondering why my remote started to look like it had a cruddy finish. ROFL! I just couldn't quite put my finger on what was looking odd about it. I just got rid of my protective cover thanks to your mention of this. :-)
post #1624 of 2820
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Originally Posted by PTAaron View Post

Frank - reading your description of the acrylic on the 2600 made me look more closely at my 3600:


Sorry for the grainy cell picture - but it is pretty mirror-like on the 3600. I wonder if they used something different on the 2600, or maybe it got warped somehow?

Regarding the "pop" when turning on the AVR - i have not contacted harman about it.

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Originally Posted by Talon884 View Post

Did you remove the protective plastic overly ... this can be on there REAL GOOD! just like on the Remote

Yeah, 3600 looks good in that picture.

Of course, I did peel the cover film. Let me get a camera and take some pictures. The difference is obvious to me because my 2600 is on my 154 (and it makes my eyes hurt ).

Frank

P. S.: Well, the difference becomes pretty obvious when moving the head along the front panel.
post #1625 of 2820
What typically causes lip sync issues in these receivers? I am noticing a 30-50ms lip sync mismatch that I thought was the fault of the PS3 - but now that I fixed my cable connection it is also present on tv shows. I hadnt noticed it before because I have been mostly playing video games where it isn't an issue.

Problem was not present with my previous 3600.
Right now I am not running on HDMI bypass, and the EQ is off because i manually calibrated speakers. No video calibration or adjustments are being applied by the 3600 - I am just running it with HDMI bypass off so I can use the OSD more easily.
With my other 3600 I was using the EZSet/EQ settings - I don't know if that added in an audio delay that helped?

Just curious if anyone has thoughts on what may cause the problem so I can fix it. I would rather not need to do a manual correction, because I can't tell if I have it exactly right or not!
post #1626 of 2820
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Originally Posted by PTAaron View Post

What typically causes lip sync issues in these receivers? I am noticing a 30-50ms lip sync mismatch that I thought was the fault of the PS3 - but now that I fixed my cable connection it is also present on tv shows. I hadnt noticed it before because I have been mostly playing video games where it isn't an issue.

Problem was not present with my previous 3600.
Right now I am not running on HDMI bypass, and the EQ is off because i manually calibrated speakers. No video calibration or adjustments are being applied by the 3600 - I am just running it with HDMI bypass off so I can use the OSD more easily.
With my other 3600 I was using the EZSet/EQ settings - I don't know if that added in an audio delay that helped?

Just curious if anyone has thoughts on what may cause the problem so I can fix it. I would rather not need to do a manual correction, because I can't tell if I have it exactly right or not!

I reset the processor, re-adjusted speakers using my SPL meter - and checked things... TV looks to be in sync, and PS3 appears to be on as well ...
I also ran the EzSet/EQ just for fun - strange how the numbers it come up with can be SO different ... It set my surrounds to -3/-4 when I had them at 0, and it set my sub to +7!! I checked that with my SPL and that put it at just over 5 db "hot" compared to the rest of the speakers.

Anyway - lip-sync seems to be fixed after the reset.
post #1627 of 2820
Has anybody else had issues with surround modes? I only have 3 options available: 'Auto Select', 'Virtual Surround - For Two Speaker Systems' and 'Stereo - 2 CH Stereo'. I have a 5.1 setup and leaving it on auto-select produces Dolby Surround as expected (all speakers working correctly), but I can't manually select anything. I have a PC hooked up to the system and would like to listen to my library as 5 channel stereo but it appears that the surround modes think I only have 2 speakers? Ring a bell? Cheers.
post #1628 of 2820
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Originally Posted by PTAaron View Post

What typically causes lip sync issues in these receivers? I am noticing a 30-50ms lip sync mismatch that I thought was the fault of the PS3 - but now that I fixed my cable connection it is also present on tv shows. I hadnt noticed it before because I have been mostly playing video games where it isn't an issue.

Problem was not present with my previous 3600.
Right now I am not running on HDMI bypass, and the EQ is off because i manually calibrated speakers. No video calibration or adjustments are being applied by the 3600 - I am just running it with HDMI bypass off so I can use the OSD more easily.
With my other 3600 I was using the EZSet/EQ settings - I don't know if that added in an audio delay that helped?

Just curious if anyone has thoughts on what may cause the problem so I can fix it. I would rather not need to do a manual correction, because I can't tell if I have it exactly right or not!

Lip sync should be related to video processing that causes video goes out after sound. Am I a bit confused or do you say you keep HDMI Bypass off when you should keep it on to avoid any processing on the video signal?


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Originally Posted by PTAaron View Post

I reset the processor, re-adjusted speakers using my SPL meter - and checked things... TV looks to be in sync, and PS3 appears to be on as well ...
I also ran the EzSet/EQ just for fun - strange how the numbers it come up with can be SO different ... It set my surrounds to -3/-4 when I had them at 0, and it set my sub to +7!! I checked that with my SPL and that put it at just over 5 db "hot" compared to the rest of the speakers.

Anyway - lip-sync seems to be fixed after the reset.

Fortunately, EzSet worked well for me: if I sit in a different place, than that where I placed the mic to calibrate the system, the sound becomes either too bassy or unbalanced.


I took a picture showing what I said about the front panel quality.



Yes, it looks horrible. 154's acrylic panel seems of a better quality even compared to your 3600 picture (maybe is the picture resolution).

Frank
post #1629 of 2820
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Originally Posted by pure_drivel View Post

Has anybody else had issues with surround modes? I only have 3 options available: 'Auto Select', 'Virtual Surround - For Two Speaker Systems' and 'Stereo - 2 CH Stereo'. I have a 5.1 setup and leaving it on auto-select produces Dolby Surround as expected (all speakers working correctly), but I can't manually select anything. I have a PC hooked up to the system and would like to listen to my library as 5 channel stereo but it appears that the surround modes think I only have 2 speakers? Ring a bell? Cheers.


At first, just starting to test my system, I thought I had the same issue but after reading the manual thoroughly saw that GUI gives the whole picture of settings.

Sorry for the obvious comment but you did not give more details.

Frank
post #1630 of 2820
Is anyone using the remote IR input? HK says use their HE 1000 which connects via a plug, but it costs $100. All of the alternative IR repeaters I have found use an IR emitter which would be stuck to the front of the AVR, yuk.

I'm wondering about the design of the IR Input jack, and what type of signal(s0 it can accept. Would it work if i got an IR emitter and cut off the emitter, replacing it with a jack?
post #1631 of 2820
Thank you for the audio polling info, I didn't get a clear idea of its function from the instruction book. I am ending up using my the hdmi 4 laptop connection to do the audio. I rarely have my laptop hooked up to it, so I will just reset the settings for when I do.

For some reason, if I have a digital hookup, I can only pick analog sources for audio polling (not possible to pick the optical output of my newer disc carousel).

I have tried polling using the hdmi dvd player and blu ray and setting the analog disc carousel to either one results in no sound, at all, from the disc player when polled. I made the new disc player with optical the main source of hdmi 4 and the older one with rca output as polled. It works. Don't see the logic of that.

I am finding that this higher end receiver is less flexible and more frustrating than the Yamaha it replaced. I am not sure it's worth it at this point. Thinking I should have gone with the Onkyo, it was cheaper and had more inputs, but I was assured this was the better choice, better sound and easier to use.

I also have the problem of a component dvd player with digital sound output results in no sound. I've tried the coax and the optical ports, and it simply states analog and will produce no sound, never a problem with the Yamaha. I hooked up the rca cables to it and now have lower grade sound. Any ideas on this?
post #1632 of 2820
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Originally Posted by skipt View Post

Is anyone using the remote IR input? HK says use their HE 1000 which connects via a plug, but it costs $100. All of the alternative IR repeaters I have found use an IR emitter which would be stuck to the front of the AVR, yuk.

I'm wondering about the design of the IR Input jack, and what type of signal(s0 it can accept. Would it work if i got an IR emitter and cut off the emitter, replacing it with a jack?

No experience with the IR input. But have you ever played around with IR emitters. I can't speak for all IR emitters as these are the only ones I have experience with. Mine came with my Harmony 900 and aren't required to be directly infront of the IR reciever. The signal actually bounces off almost anything. Honestly, right now I have no idea what it's bouncing off right now as I have the front doors removed from my cabinet. Cabinet was getting too hot and have the doors off untill I install fans in the next few weeks. Here's my setup.

You can see the IR Base Emitter on top of the reciever. Far from exactly in front of the reciever.



This is the only one I have infront of what it operates. Actually it's off to the side, but still in front of my Xbox. And I actually could have hidden this one off to the side out of sight, but would have had to use 3M tape to do it. I prefer to have things setup where I can easily move stuff around if I want to.


This one you see below my Bluray actually operates the bluray and uverse box up on the next shelf. Again, not infront of either box.


You may wanna give the IR emitters a try. You may suprised how flexible they are in where you can put them. And they may seem highly visible in the pictures, but they aren't. The flash on my camera lights everything up like a christamas tree. In my dark wood furniture I can't see them at all.
post #1633 of 2820
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Originally Posted by skipt View Post

Is anyone using the remote IR input? HK says use their HE 1000 which connects via a plug, but it costs $100. All of the alternative IR repeaters I have found use an IR emitter which would be stuck to the front of the AVR, yuk.

I'm wondering about the design of the IR Input jack, and what type of signal(s0 it can accept. Would it work if i got an IR emitter and cut off the emitter, replacing it with a jack?

I used the remote IR input with my 635 to control the AVR for multiroom. If I remember correctly it only worked with HK commands, so I never tried using it to control anything else. It comes with "blasters" for controlling other equipment pieces (again - I thought it only worked with HK devices).
post #1634 of 2820
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Originally Posted by paracelsus42 View Post

Thank you for the audio polling info, I didn't get a clear idea of its function from the instruction book. I am ending up using my the hdmi 4 laptop connection to do the audio. I rarely have my laptop hooked up to it, so I will just reset the settings for when I do.

For some reason, if I have a digital hookup, I can only pick analog sources for audio polling (not possible to pick the optical output of my newer disc carousel).

I have tried polling using the hdmi dvd player and blu ray and setting the analog disc carousel to either one results in no sound, at all, from the disc player when polled. I made the new disc player with optical the main source of hdmi 4 and the older one with rca output as polled. It works. Don't see the logic of that.

I am finding that this higher end receiver is less flexible and more frustrating than the Yamaha it replaced. I am not sure it's worth it at this point. Thinking I should have gone with the Onkyo, it was cheaper and had more inputs, but I was assured this was the better choice, better sound and easier to use.

I also have the problem of a component dvd player with digital sound output results in no sound. I've tried the coax and the optical ports, and it simply states analog and will produce no sound, never a problem with the Yamaha. I hooked up the rca cables to it and now have lower grade sound. Any ideas on this?

For your polling issue - are you sure your HDMI DVD/Blu-ray player is not outputting a signal when it is off? If it is, the AVR will see a digital signal and go with that over the analog signal. I had this problem with my cable box - for some reason it still puts out sound via HDMI even when it is off, so I can't use auto-polling on that conncetion.

Not trying to ask a stupid question, but is the component DVD player set to output digital sound? I had a similar issue before, and found that I had previously set things wrong in a device and I didn't realize it. Also - it sounds like you have a good handle on adjusting the input settings, but did you double check that you had the right optical or coax input selected? I've also made that mistake in the past because I thought they were numbered differently than they are.
post #1635 of 2820
Looking to upgrade my Sony S300 Blueray Player. Heard that internet movies are poor quality regarding video/audio. Any suggestions on a blueray player that is fully compatible with the 3600. Does it matter what component does the decoding. Is it best to let the 3600 handle the processing or is it best not to process at all. Thanks........
post #1636 of 2820
I use the PS3 "Fat" and the video quality is fantastic sinece the upgrade!
post #1637 of 2820
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Originally Posted by skipt View Post

Is anyone using the remote IR input? HK says use their HE 1000 which connects via a plug, but it costs $100. All of the alternative IR repeaters I have found use an IR emitter which would be stuck to the front of the AVR, yuk.

I'm wondering about the design of the IR Input jack, and what type of signal(s0 it can accept. Would it work if i got an IR emitter and cut off the emitter, replacing it with a jack?


You don't have to cut up an emitter, just use a male/male 1/8" mini mono plug cable to connect the IR emitter output of the IR repeater (or other component, almost all systems use 1/8" mono plugs for IR output) right to the AVR remote input. It will behave just as it would if an emitter were placed on the front panel (if not better, as there is a hard connection)


An IR emitter can also be plugged right into the AVR's CARRIER IR output, which will repeat the signals received by the remote IN input and/or AVR front IR receiver.
post #1638 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Murray1 View Post

Looking to upgrade my Sony S300 Blueray Player. Heard that internet movies are poor quality regarding video/audio. Any suggestions on a blueray player that is fully compatible with the 3600. Does it matter what component does the decoding. Is it best to let the 3600 handle the processing or is it best not to process at all. Thanks........


PS3 Slim goes well and you won't want to perform any processing over an HD digital source (just like Bluray) because there is nothing that needs to be processed and you could degrade the image quality; just set HDMI Bypass 'On'.

Frank
post #1639 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Murray1 View Post

Looking to upgrade my Sony S300 Blueray Player. Heard that internet movies are poor quality regarding video/audio. Any suggestions on a blueray player that is fully compatible with the 3600. Does it matter what component does the decoding. Is it best to let the 3600 handle the processing or is it best not to process at all. Thanks........

I just upgraded to a panasonic 300. It streams Netflix, Amazon VOD, and VUDU. Plus it's 3d if you ever decide to upgrade. It's discontinued now, replaced by the 350. But the models are exactly the same with the exception of DLNA.
post #1640 of 2820
Need some info I am planning an upgrade from my avr 146 to a 1600. I will also be purchasing a pair of p362s and a pc250. I will be using a sub from my hkts 11 set since its so nice and rears are still undecided.

My question mainly is, is the 1600 too weak to power the towers and etc should I go with a 2600? Or is this eries too old and should I go with a different receiver all together?

I live in an apartment and the room size will be 15x12. I love the avr 1600 series but I am afraid I'm too late in the game on it and here is better offerings for the same price.

What do you guys think? Ps no I do not plan on using 3d any time soon
post #1641 of 2820
Would greatly appreciate if any AVR3600 owners can comment on how their receiver performs when providing movie dialogue through the center channel, especially at lower volume levels. I've found that with many of the major brand receivers (except for Marantz), the dialogue often isn't clear unless the volume is cranked up a bit.
post #1642 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Splitsticks View Post

Would greatly appreciate if any AVR3600 owners can comment on how their receiver performs when providing movie dialogue through the center channel, especially at lower volume levels. I've found that with many of the major brand receivers (except for Marantz), the dialogue often isn't clear unless the volume is cranked up a bit.

It sounds great at all volumes in my experience.
It, of course, will be dependent on your speaker and the relative level you have the center channel set to...
post #1643 of 2820
Just moved my A6 Polk center out of a cabinet and it sounds extremely clear. The 3600 is sweet when the speakers are set up correctly. Seems like my center now has room to do its thing.
post #1644 of 2820
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Originally Posted by ptaaron View Post


it sounds great at all volumes in my experience.
It, of course, will be dependent on your speaker and the relative level you have the center channel set to...

+ 1
post #1645 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Splitsticks View Post

Would greatly appreciate if any AVR3600 owners can comment on how their receiver performs when providing movie dialogue through the center channel, especially at lower volume levels. I've found that with many of the major brand receivers (except for Marantz), the dialogue often isn't clear unless the volume is cranked up a bit.

Excellent center channel seperation. However, I stronly suggest using a SPL meter to dial in your speakers.
post #1646 of 2820
I have a Samsung blu-ray, which is a year or two old by now and works perfectly with the 2600. It also streams netflix (the reason I got it) along with blockbuster, pandora and youtube. I am pretty happy with it. I don't do 3D, though.

I am not sure how to tell if the blu-ray is sending a signal when it's off if the receiver doesn't list it.

I did have the correct choice of cables and outputs for the dvd player, but no matter which one I pick optical or coax, it doesn't process the sound, but the component picture is just fine. It's an odd problem. I know it was working just fine with the old one, so it has to be an issue with the 2600.

I had to adjust the speakers after the ez set. The left speakers were very loud and the right ones couldn't be heard. My center channel is fine, no problems with the sound. I don't use the sub-woofer much. It's the size of a table and is quite loud, even when turned down low.
post #1647 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Splitsticks View Post

Would greatly appreciate if any AVR3600 owners can comment on how their receiver performs when providing movie dialogue through the center channel, especially at lower volume levels. I've found that with many of the major brand receivers (except for Marantz), the dialogue often isn't clear unless the volume is cranked up a bit.

Thanks for all the positive comments. I picked up a refurb AVR3600 and look forward to it arriving.
post #1648 of 2820
I'm currently considering a 2600 to replace my Denon 2010 and just wondering if there are any firmware updates issued for this line? Hows the general reliability been? Thanks for your valued info.
post #1649 of 2820
Couple of things I've noticed about my 2600, was wondering if anyone else has experienced this:

The system sounded great with DVDs, Xbox, TV, etc. But my mp3's sounded kind of blah. Muddy sounding and way too boomy for my taste no matter how much I lowered the AVR's sub/bass levels or tinkered with the crossover freq's. Also they often had a kind of "warbling" sound to them.

Well, two things I did.

1), I turned off the "MP3 Enhancer." I found this "expander" fooled my ears into sounding fuller when first I switched it on, but once I turned it off I found the music was more accurate, the warbling sound went away, and my bass and treble both sounded better. Also I had been getting high end distortion that I thought was coming from my PC's soundcard (I had to originally lower the PC's output to half to get rid of the distortion, which I thought was odd with an optical connection), but with the enhancer off the distortion is gone even with the PC at full level.

2), I flipped the switch on the back of my JBL ES250 Sub from "LFE" to "Normal" (giving me manual control of the sub's controls instead of the AVR controlling it) and instantly the bass on my music went from boomy and muddy to crisp. It wasn't just the bass level that was improved, but the entire bass presence. Now I'm not sure if this fix is a function of the AVR or the Sub, but I thought LFE signals are only present on home theater audio, why are my mp3's affected by this at all?

Just as a test, I tried flipping the Sub back to "LFE" and dropping the LFE trim setting on the AVR to as low as it goes, and it still didn't sound as good as switching the LFE off.

Interested in anyone else's experiences with either of these..
post #1650 of 2820
When I run my PC (Windows XP) through the HDMI port on my AVR2600, the onscreen fonts look markedly worse. Jagged and with color banding, it makes iTunes in particular just plain hard to read. I've tried tweaking all the various video controls with no effect. I can turn on bypass but it makes popping up the AVR menus a pain.

Anyone else noticed this? I thought the AVR was supposed to improve things, not make them worse?
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