Official Harman Kardon AVR 1600/2600/3600 owner's thread - Page 81

turned Rotten Egg...

Why doesn't HK support AVR's purchased from Newegg?

Because they're not an authorized dealer...It's not H/K's fault if your receiver craps out, and you didn't buy it authorized...That's why you check their authorized dealer list before purchasing

I guess I was looking at this more from the product/manfacturer standpoint. They almost make you feel like you acquired this thing illegally, and HK didn't get any money from the purchase price of it.

If that's the case they should be cracking down on such dealers, since they may be able to wipe their hands clean of a product that costs over $500.

If I buy a new Toyota from Joe Schmoe off eBay, and it is still under manfacturer's warranty, wouldn't Toyota honor it even though I bought it from Joe Schmoe who is not an 'authorized' dealer. Don't know if that is a good parrellel, but again I am looking at this from a pure product/manfacturer standpoint.

Has anyone had repairs done on a receiver that has the same inital problem? (protect mode upon start up, shut off) What did it end up being?

Just reran EZSet/EQ to see if my previous impressions were accurate ...
It came up with wildly different settings than I did for distances, level, crossover, and even sub size.

Strange thing is that it set my sub to -10, while I had previously set it at -2 using my SPL meter (radio shack) ... but watching some movie clips the bass sounds almost as intense! I'm not sure if it is because of EQ leveling out the frequency?

will post the pics and talk about how the 3600 did asap!

If you are going to rerun EzSet/EQ...
I would suggest you do a complete Processor Reset so that the memory is totally cleared back to factory defaults..

Just my $0.02...

Good tip! This should be in the manual....

Good tip, but I probably won't do that - it is a huge pain to program everything again

I almost posted exactly that... (+1)

Hello. I have a fairly old setup and I'm thinking about upgrading my receiver but I need some advice.

Currently I have:
HK AVR 230 (5.1)
4x Boston Micro 90x (L/R/Surrounds)
1x Boston Micro 120c (center)
HSU VTF-2 MK3 (sub)

Because my speakers are satellites I have the crossover on the 230 set to 120hz, so the sub is doing all the low end.

I'm considering moving up to the 2600 or 3600 because of HDMI, Blu-ray audio formats, and a hum on the sub channel with the 230 (that could just be the cable though). Dolby Volume is also tempting now that I've read up on it.

Giving today's prices, is it worth springing for the 3600 in my setup, or would the 2600 suffice? I'm not sure the extra wattage will matter at all with satellites. I would like to go to bookshelfs in the future but who knows when that would be.

Can I expect any audible differences between the 230 and a newer HK? I assumed yes, but after researching it sounds like maybe not since the amplifiers really haven't changed much over the years???

My other option is just holding on to the 230 if the sub woofer hum is just the cable, maybe put the money towards speakers. Although not having HDMI is slowly becoming a pain only made tolerable by my Harmony remote.

I guess I'm looking for a push here.

The connection from the amp to the sub? -- Or cable tv?

As to your question? I'll vote 2600 - because I have one... But I suppose I'd also say 3600 if I had, -- it.

Amp to sub. Hum only occurs when the amp using and analog input or using a digital input and is receiving a signal (i.e. is the amp is on VIDEO 1/OPT 1 and my DVR is on, I get the hum. But if the DVR of off, thus not outputting sounds, I don't get a hum). If it's on something like VIDEO 2/ANALOG I get a hum as long as the receiver is on.

Those inputs are just for illustration, it happens with any input.

Honestly I would go with a 3600 - not just because that is what I have but because it gives you pre-amp outputs, comes with the Bridge, and gives you more power.
If you don't think you'll ever want to add external amps and don't care about the bridge - then the 2600 is a better choice.

Go for the 3600. Chances are you'll get bitten by the need to upgrade and you'll regret not having the pre-outs. I bought the 3600 not looking to use them, then I found myself looking more and more for audiophile type quality. Now I'm using a Bryston amp for my 2 fronts.

Pardon the ignorance if I need correcting, I'm a little confused now. I thought audiophile only references quality and not quantity, as there are no processors in amps...

But good points on the pre-outs (and the obvious power increase).. The 2600 has the bridge though...

Someone chime in on speakers now... (that will 'reset' his dilemma back to factory default)

Bridge is not included with the 2600, unless they have started including it now?
The H/K website says "available separately" for the Bridge on the 2600 still...

Correct, the 3600 in this case is a Pre/Pro only using the Pre-Outs and bypassing the built-in amp of the 3600, using the Brystons amps instead.

That would be correct, as the 3600 would come with the actual break out docking station... Whereas the 2600 only has the I/O terminal. -- What's 2 dollars of plastic anyway?... You'd think they could just include it, but nope... It's $100.00+! lol. -- Okay, I gotta check my $h1t before I babble... my bad

Anyone know if that terminal is perprietary?

Yes... I was just referring to the Bryston amp being the catalyst to "audiophile quality"... -- That's a little backward isn't it?... Unless db level is in your definition of it? -- Not to take anything away from the word, but beauty is in the ear of the beholder I suppose... -- Of course I can't listen to almost half the junk out there today, -- the way "they" intended it to sound... >> Because it sounds like crap imo! LOL...

Basically, the logic behind this is that the more you separate the audio sources, the less heat build up which weakens the sound. When you have a receiver, it does all the work...audio/video processing and bass management and others. By using an external amp, you are freeing up your receiver but at the same time, these amps have their own power supply. These power supplies are just working the 2 front speakers. So instead of my 3600 pushing all 5 speakers at 85 watts or less. I know have 200 watts pushing only my MA RX6's. There is a distinct difference in sound especially when playing music with accoustics (Jazz, classical). Some people go even further and buy monoblocks for each left and right. The amp has 1 job and that is 'to deliver 'CLEAN POWER'. Clean power means better sound. Read this quote I found on the net.


"In a nutshell, a separate amp has its on own battery and power supply that it does not have to share with the source. In music's loud passages and specially in reproducing bass, with an amp, simply put, you should be able to hear it better".

I just hooked up my new AVR 2600. It sounds great but I'm noticing an audible amount of speaker hiss/white noise. I'm using Klipsch RB5 bookshelves which are very efficient speakers (96dB). I can hear the hiss from about 3 feet away if the room is dead quiet, where with my old Denon 1803 I could only hear the hiss 1 foot away. Hiss volume is equal from both left and right speakers. I can't hear it from my listening distance so I'm not considering it a deal breaker. I guess this is just a slightly noisier amp than my old Denon, amplified by my already very efficient Klipsch's.

Does Amazon sell anything anymore?... I thought they reduced to a link hub?...

Just buy direct from the retailers who are selling it... (linked off Amazon)

In this case, a google search pulls Amazon... But amazon clearly tells you who's selling it at that price... ?? -- As of 8:30pm PST on Sunday 3/18/12 it is...

http://www.circuitcity.com/applicati...325&CatId=4586

I finally had time to hook up my avr 3600 and so far so good, but I have a couple questions I'm hoping some of you can answer. When i go to the setup source menu it says that the resolution is 1080p 60hz to the display and from the source. Does this mean by using the HDMI ins and outs on the receiver that I'm downgrading the signal? in other words, my tv has a 120hz refresh rate, so is this normal, or does this have nothing to do with the refresh rate?? When i put in a Blue ray instead of 60hz, its says 24 hz?? This is probably common, but I just want to make sure! Thanks for any replies!

Its displaying what the frames per second (fps) are not the refresh rate.

OK, so this is the standard numbers and common then? thanks!

The Amazon page says IN STOCK...

Just my $0.02...

Can one or more of you HK experts please go to this link from another thread on here and see if you can answer my question . here is the link. Thanks!!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21805429

Update - HK will be replacing it, just got stuck with shipping it out for $55. They didn't seem to care where it came from since I sent a copy of the receipt to cust support for the RA order. Hope the replacement last longer than 11 months...

I'm glad they're replacing it for you...Sucks you had to pay shipping, they could've taken care of that too...Oh well