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post #2731 of 2820
Hey folks, first post so I apologize if I'm breaking any etiquette here. I've ready about half the thread and can't find an answer so here we go.

I have a HK2600, Polk PS1, 2 Polk Monitor 40s a PSW101, and small sony satellites.

For what I've spent I'm pretty happy with this 5.1 system, however I would like to upgrade my fronts as more than half of my use is strictly 2 channel music. I've had my eyes set on the Polk Monitor 70s for some time now but I've been told elsewhere that the 2600 won't put out enough power to do the M70s justice. Keep in mind I'm really just concerned with the sound of 2 channel stereo, the 5.1 is just a cool bonus to the system. Anyone used the M70s with a 2600? If they won't put out enough power could anyone recommend the speaker that will give me an improvement in sound yet not require me to upgrade my AVR.
post #2732 of 2820
i have the 2600 and was wondering if it it time to upgrade to a newer receiver with other features? ive seen the onkyo 616 for 349 and it has thx, ethernet, more hdmi's and some other things on it. is that better than my 2600 or should i keep what i have or is there a different one i should be looking at? i know the HK rate the power so much lower, but it that more pure power than that of others such as the onkyo, or are the new ones as good or better on power ratings now?
post #2733 of 2820
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Originally Posted by disneyfun1 View Post

i know the HK rate the power so much lower, but it that more pure power than that of others such as the onkyo, or are the new ones as good or better on power ratings now?

I've had my 3600Z for about a week now.

When I first hooked it up, it wasn't quite as in your face powerful as the 135 wpc Onkyo 807 it replaced was..... on Max Volume.

But after tweaking the speaker settings and raising the sub crossover to 100hz, I am very pleased with the results.

Its plenty loud....House Shaking Loud.... but its the warm tone that takes a little getting used to, relative to the Onkyo's brightness. There's certainly a difference. The HK seems to excel with the human male voice, percussion instruments, and the harmonics of acoustic guitars.

More of a noticeable improvement with high resolution source material, relative to redbook, than the Onkyo.

My biggest disappointment is the delay. It takes several seconds to start processing the Foobar WASAPI event bitstream, even studders a bit with multi-channel High Rez unless you increase the buffer even more.



If this unit doesn't break on me like the POS Onkyo did, its all the AVR I'll ever need.

And I dont think there's a better bang for the buck deal out there than the 3600Z right now. Especially if you want something with pre-outs, and dont require networking..

Edited by Flacjunky - 4/16/13 at 8:59pm
post #2734 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacjunky View Post

I've had my 3600Z for about a week now.

When I first hooked it up, it wasn't quite as in your face powerful as the 135 wpc Onkyo 807 it replaced was..... on Max Volume.

But after tweaking the speaker settings and raising the sub crossover to 100hz, I am very pleased with the results.

Its plenty loud....House Shaking Loud.... but its the warm tone that takes a little getting used to, relative to the Onkyo's brightness. There's certainly a difference. The HK seems to excel with the human male voice, percussion instruments, and the harmonics of acoustic guitars.

More of a noticeable improvement with high resolution source material, relative to redbook, than the Onkyo.

My biggest disappointment is the delay. It takes several seconds to start processing the Foobar WASAPI event bitstream, even studders a bit with multi-channel High Rez unless you increase the buffer even more.



If this unit doesn't break on me like the POS Onkyo did, its all the AVR I'll ever need.

And I dont think there's a better bang for the buck deal out there than the 3600Z right now. Especially if you want something with pre-outs, and dont require networking..

The differences you describe between the HK and Onkyo are the same as when I first heard an Onkyo about 2 decades ago. I was auditioning JBLs thru different receivers (just a matter of rotating a switch) and the Onkyo was just too bright.

I have mentioned to other JBL users to stay away from Onkyo and go with HK, Marantz, Parasound ( I have had those 3 brands connected to my JBLs, and all are excellent)...although there are a few JBL fans who like Onkyo pairing...to each his own.
And after having Yamaha paired to JBLs in the '80s, I would never go that route either.

I do not notice any shutter with hires audio (HDtracks) with my 3600.
HK has never gone to 9.1, 11.1 but I could not care less. With the wide soundstage my custom speakers provide, I have no use for width, height channels.
post #2735 of 2820
hey guys, i have a question about my new 2600. I'd like to use the remote to turn on/off the TV. I tried to program the remote with the codes from the manual, and also some that i found online, but no luck. Is there an IR repeater i have to hook up? Or does the IR come right from the remote to turn on/off the TV? Just can't get it to work!

Thanks!
post #2736 of 2820
After running through many receiver try-outs, and trying to find something that sounded as good as my old HK 635, I opted to try one of the refurbished AVR2600's from the Harman factory. I received it yesterday . I paid only $187 for it. Opening the box, I expected to see a nice used model, however I discovered a Brand New 2600 with a new remote. Not a scratch anywhere. After determining that it fit inside my rack ok, I hooked it up. While doing the set-up, I found that it is up to date with the latest downloads. Wow!. I have finally found the receiver that sounds very close to my old workhorse, the AVR 635. It comes with the two year warranty also. If you have read my other postings, you know that I have tried out the Marrantz 5007, Denon 2313, Denon1913, Pioneer Elite VSX 60, Pioneer, SC1222, and finally the HK AVR 1710. The 1710 came the closest, but the 2600 sounds much better, fuller and I have cut my costs! Thanks to all who have emailed me and posted information about the receiver. Hopefully, the bugs that I have been reading about have been fixed.

other equipment

Pioneer Elite BDP62 FP Blu Ray
Paradigm Reference Mellenia 200's/20
post #2737 of 2820
^^^^Yep, over looking the facts that HK AVRs tend to lack some of the latest trends other brands have (9.2, 11.2, streaming) for the sound quality HK is hard to beat. I also had a 635, very good. I now have the 3600. But I did not stop there, for pure stereo sources, including 96/24 downloads, I use a Parasound P7 pre-amp.
post #2738 of 2820
Hi,
I have HK 3600 and klipsch quintet IV Speakers. I felt sound out output is very low when reach - 20 I am getting some good sound out of my Klipsch Quitet.

How to calibrate my K3600 output and speakers output.

What Speaker you have.

Thanks
Navin
post #2739 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by lnavinkumar View Post

Hi,
I have HK 3600 and klipsch quintet IV Speakers. I felt sound out output is very low when reach - 20 I am getting some good sound out of my Klipsch Quitet.

How to calibrate my K3600 output and speakers output.

What Speaker you have.

Thanks
Navin
Go into the setup menu. And stroll down until you get to system settings>dolby volume. I think the default is considered 88db speakers. So that means if your speakers are 91db, you increase the DV +3db; if your speakers are 95db then you set dv to +7db.
If your speakers are rated below 88db, then you go -xxdb.
Then press the audio effect button, again you will bring up DV. For that particular input you are on, your choices are: off, low, med, high. Just click through the 4 until you decide which level is right for that input.
And you do that for each input.
post #2740 of 2820
Hi 4DHD,
Thanks for the reply. Today I will do the same.
Here is my speaker Specification. Is this decent speaker for AVR 3600?


•CROSSOVER FREQUENCY: Satellite: 3700Hz
Center: 3100Hz
•DIMENSIONS: Satellite: 8.3" (21.1cm) H x 5" (12.7cm) W x 6.3" (16cm) D
Center: 5" (12.7cm) H x 12" (30.5cm) W x 6" (15.2cm) D
•ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass-reflex via rear-firing port
•FREQUENCY RESPONSE: Satellite: 120Hz-23kHz
Center: 125Hz-23kHz
•HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o) x 40(o) XT Micro Tractrix Horn
•MIDRANGE: One 3.5" (8.9 cm) magnetically shielded woofer
•MOUNTING: Satellite: Base swivels for on-wall mounting via keyholes
Center: Threaded insert
•NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms compatible
•POWER HANDLING: Satellite: 50 watts (200 watts peak)
Center: 75 watts (300 watts peak)
•SENSITIVITY: Satellite: 91dB@2.83 volts/1 meter
Center: 94dB@2.83 volts/1 meter
•TWEETER: One .75" (1.9 cm) neodymium magnet compression driver

Thanks
Navin
post #2741 of 2820
Should be good to go.
post #2742 of 2820
More AVR3600 Zone 2... I've checked around and cannot find this specific answer.

I am trying to run airtunes thru Zone 2 off my airport express, analog cabled. It plays fine from my iPhone on the main system on Analog In-Front or when on Analog 2, setup on Game or TV used for Source, so I have verified that the music does actually play in any of these 4 combinations. However Zone 2 doesn't play on any of these configurations. Zone 2 will play fine however, like always, with my old iPod touch plugged into the Bridge so I have verified Zone 2 WILL actually work. So basically, unless I've done something dumb, I have totally isolated the problem to the fact that Zone 2 will not play from Analog In Front or 2 but will when from the Bridge.

Ideas? Thanks
post #2743 of 2820
Ok, well a conversation Senior Tech with Harman about scrolling to the BOTTOM of the Source setup menu, that I didn't notice was there, to select the Zone 2 Input which allowed me to get sound to the Zone2 speakers. That is, once I also figured out that the sound was very very low compared to when using the Bridge so then I could actually hear it when I turned the volume way up. Now, I have the volume on Zone 2 at maximum, +10 db, and I can hear it okay but I'm wondering why the volume/signal is so low from the Airport Express as compared to the signal/sound from the bridge which is "normal"

Ideas on That One?

Thanks Robert
post #2744 of 2820
DOH! Volume on the iPad! biggrin.gif Sounds great now....

Robert
post #2745 of 2820
If you have read my past entries, I have tried our several new receivers and settled on a Harman refurm AVR2600 until I decide what to buy. Well, as it happens, and partly because I have always been an HK fan from the beginning, I love this receiver. It produces that Harman familiar great sound, just as my previous AVR635 did.
When I place a CD in my DVD player, the HK detects it as 2 channel and automatically decodes it in Logic 7. I would prefer it play in native stereo 2 channel, so I manually switch it to 2 ch stereo.
My question is : When the 2600 is set to Auto, is there a way to have it default it to 2 channel stereo rather than Logic 7 while still reading Blu Ray in DTS-HD, etc. Thanks.
post #2746 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

If you have read my past entries, I have tried our several new receivers and settled on a Harman refurm AVR2600 until I decide what to buy. Well, as it happens, and partly because I have always been an HK fan from the beginning, I love this receiver. It produces that Harman familiar great sound, just as my previous AVR635 did.
When I place a CD in my DVD player, the HK detects it as 2 channel and automatically decodes it in Logic 7. I would prefer it play in native stereo 2 channel, so I manually switch it to 2 ch stereo.
My question is : When the 2600 is set to Auto, is there a way to have it default it to 2 channel stereo rather than Logic 7 while still reading Blu Ray in DTS-HD, etc. Thanks.

Connect the player with two inputs to the 2600. That is what I have for my 3600 & Parasound P7.
MC connections for DVD/BD and stereo L/R out > stereo main in. That should do the trick.
post #2747 of 2820
Thanks 4DHD. I will give it a try. However, won't that degrade the sound by using the analog inputs rather than the digital inputs?
post #2748 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

Thanks 4DHD. I will give it a try. However, won't that degrade the sound by using the analog inputs rather than the digital inputs?
Probably not as much as you might think. I am running pure analogue.
post #2749 of 2820
Ok I have the 2600 and set up my 7.1 speaker system. My front speakers sound ok but my surround speakers just don't sound good at all while watching a movie/ps3 game. I have auto calibrated multiple times but the surround speakers are weak at best and I have made sure all the wires are connected properly. Any ideas on how to improve the surround speakers?
post #2750 of 2820
^^^^What is your speaker system?
And how much you get out of your surrounds is solely the result of how a soundtrack was recorded. Sometimes there can be very little sound to none in the surround channels.
Also, turn off the EQ to see if that makes a difference. I almost never have my EQ on for my 3600.
post #2751 of 2820
Hi, Does anyone happen to know what's up with the 1565 having 70 watts at 0.9% THD with the seemingly very similar 1650 has the 95 watts with 0.07 THD? I was wondering in anyone knows the story of the distortion rates being so much different, and the differences in the amp section that is responsible for this...pros/cons? I just picked up a 1650 at great N-E sale price and want another for another system, but the 1650 is the one on sale now....I know more watts and lower THD is a good thing, but just sure hope there wouldn't be anything about the different amps that would not sound as good....long shot, but just thought I'd throw it out there if any thoughts are avail......this might even be the best thread to ask.....? Thanks!
post #2752 of 2820
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Originally Posted by rob755 View Post

Hi, Does anyone happen to know what's up with the 1565 having 70 watts at 0.9% THD with the seemingly very similar 1650 has the 95 watts with 0.07 THD? I was wondering in anyone knows the story of the distortion rates being so much different, and the differences in the amp section that is responsible for this...pros/cons? I just picked up a 1650 at great N-E sale price and want another for another system, but the 1650 is the one on sale now....I know more watts and lower THD is a good thing, but just sure hope there wouldn't be anything about the different amps that would not sound as good....long shot, but just thought I'd throw it out there if any thoughts are avail......this might even be the best thread to ask.....? Thanks!

The 1650 is a better buy, 30% more power than the 1565 plus 1 more HDMI input. As I posted previously, marketing decisions for HK AVRs are done in China. Both models come from the same tooling, but 1565 is newer but built to meet a lower price point. The 1650 is 65W x 5, 20Hz-20kHz @ 0.1% THD into 8 Ohms (2 channels driven) and the 1565 is 50W x 5, 20Hz-20kHz, 0.1%THD into 8 Ohms (2 channels driven) these are the numbers you should be comparing. Note that HK has released multiple & different power output numbers, and often the specs are even different from the website, to brochure, to the operation manual appearing uncoordinated as the marketing decisions are done in China. Regarding other specs for audio and video they are very similar, except the the 1650 has the connector to add the extra-cost Bridge dock for the iPod or iPhone..

Just my $0.05... 👍😉
post #2753 of 2820
Thanks....It was the swing in THD that had me wondering about if the amps had different designs. Just mis-information I guess...I appreciate the response!
post #2754 of 2820
I've tried a few Bluetooth adaptors but none of them seem to work with "The Bridge 3" that came bundled with my AVR3600. Have anyone else tried locating a A2DP adaptor that is compatible with The Bridge? It kept saying not connected just like when I plug in a first gen iPod.
post #2755 of 2820

~~Been living with this issue since purchase several years ago. Getting a new HDTV and am wondering if anyone has a solution. Contacted HK and rep said he never heard of this problem. Told him it has been known from the beginning but he would not agree. Emailed HK but no response. Would be great if someone has some good news for me. Thanks

post #2756 of 2820
Assuming you're referring to your audio drop out problem that's in other sections.

Found this problem many years ago (2007) with a Samsung TV. Cable box works fine, but not with the receiver. Samsung released firmware updates and it worked fine ever since. Maybe contact Vizio instead? Also, I had an issue with HDMI video corruption when using a Monoprice HDMI cable that had ferrite cores on both ends. When replaced with another HDMI cable (also from Monoprice) without the ferrite cores, it worked fine. This issue was with an AC Ryan media player.
post #2757 of 2820
Just an observation. My AVR2600 seems to sound better after it has been on for an hour or so. Is this my imagination or is there a warmup time for these receivers?
post #2758 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

Just an observation. My AVR2600 seems to sound better after it has been on for an hour or so. Is this my imagination or is there a warmup time for these receivers?

I've never noticed such with my AVR3600. Then again, I only use it for movies. My Parasound P7 handles the music.
post #2759 of 2820
I'm having an issue calibrating my 3600 in 2.1 channel mode. Whenever I try to run the EZset/EQ, it only gives me the option to run it in 5.1. So I went into the manual setup and reset all the levels and turned off the center and surrounds. I then tried running the Auto setup and it still only offered me the 5.1 setup. I went ahead and ran the setup in 5.1 mode. At the end of the setup the front display only said "Retest" nothing else. How do I get it to do the automatic calibration for only 2.1 channels?
post #2760 of 2820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tweaked05 View Post

I'm having an issue calibrating my 3600 in 2.1 channel mode. Whenever I try to run the EZset/EQ, it only gives me the option to run it in 5.1. So I went into the manual setup and reset all the levels and turned off the center and surrounds. I then tried running the Auto setup and it still only offered me the 5.1 setup. I went ahead and ran the setup in 5.1 mode. At the end of the setup the front display only said "Retest" nothing else. How do I get it to do the automatic calibration for only 2.1 channels?

Not available..
Only auto EQ S/W options are 5.1 or 7.1...

Just my $0.05... 👍😉
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