ATI Radeon HD 5800, 5700 and 5600 Series Thread: Supporting HD Audio Bitstreaming! - Page 157

The lower cards in all previous series have had the VA limitation, the 5450 seems to be better, at least you can disable "enforce smooth video playback" and get it.

Nobody knows still what exactly "enforce smooth video playback" does, but the most reasonable explanation I've heard so far is that it just disables certain processing in order to prioritize smooth playback and no frames dropped. Otherwise either nobody can see a difference, or say they kinda see something but never can specify exactly what. VA deinterlacing must be the first thing to go then, but maybe you can just disable all the other useless processing (like "denoise" mentioned in the article) and trade for VA deinterlacing.

I haven't heard of anyone here having the problem described here, but 10.1 hotfix was released a few days ago. Interestingly the version is 8.69 rc1 and date is feb2. The presumed "10.2" RC2 was 8.70 rc2 but dated mid-January.

This might be what's going on with my 4650 then, maybe I never had VA deinterlacing all along, despite selecting it in CCC. I have never been entirely happy with my picture quality on live or recorded TV (UK DVB-T broadcasts), and poor deinterlacing could be to blame?

It seems from the comments in the anandtech article that memory bandwidth could be to blame. As long as the 5570 has DDR3 and a 128bit bus it should be OK (I hope)!

I saw that too about the DDR2. I'd been using a 4670 before my 5770 and never had a problem with VA deinterlacing. With a 4550 I had to disable Aero to get VA.

BTW it seems there's not much difference in price for a 5570 and a 5670, even less so between 5570 1GB and 5670 512 MB.

Guess we'll know soon enough. Fairly price insensitive myself on the price of the cards, but I do want one that's passive which I don't think the 5670s are (or if they are they run a bit too hot for comfort).

hi all, I;ve just checked another ts file, seems I am not getting dts-hd playback, only the core DTS, latest status is as per damian's guide,
mpc-hc latest edition (1.3.1249) ,
latest haali (which should transport dts-hd)
ffdshow 2346,
truehd is fine, incl Star Trek,
but Xmen Origins Wolverine, and Valkyrie both only send DTS corte thru mpc,
is this going to be a gabest filter problem? I thought Haali could do all by now, as per previous posters?
Any ideas?
Thanks guys (and/or girls) who know over the net
Cheers

I'm on MPC-HC 1544 and ffdshow 3181 and I haven't updated in a while. Your builds are very old. Is there a reason you're using Haali's splitter? The internal MPC mpeg and mkv splitters should be fine.

Same problem as braddles69. I am also getting only the core of DTS-HD MA, while TrueHD works fine in MPC-HC and the latest ffdshow (3255). TrueHD is still broken in PowerDVD9 (2528), and now we know it's (yet another) PowerDVD bug. But I can play Blu-Rays with MPC-HC now (and AnyDVD HD). So PowerDVD9 for BR discs with DTS-HD MA and MPC-HC+ffdshow for TrueHD.

Radeon 5670, Win7 32 bit.

EDIT: For some reason, for DTS-HD Master, ffdshow tray icon shows "Output SPDIF (1401), Input DTS 1536 kbps", while for TrueHD it shows "Output HDMI Bitstream (1402), Input TrueHD 5536 kbps". System Default is set as the audio renderer, and my system's default is indeed HDMI.

The 5570 cards are now up for sale on newegg

I have found yet another annoying problem with my 5670 running the 8.69 1/2010 video driver and Realtek 2.39 HDMI audio driver. I also have EDID override for my Denon receiver for HD audio bitstreaming.

Everytime I quit Windows Media Center after starting/using it, audio stops working. Receiver still shows Mul In but no audio of any sort can be heard from any program. If I mute the main system audio and unmute it, it becomes normal again.

probably retarded ati drivers causing the problems with the 5570 but very annoying...

^ It looks to be drivers more than the card as the 5570 is near identical to the 5670

yikes...was going to make a purchase on one of those, ill wait it out and see if a driver update will fix the issues if not an extra $10 and ill get a 5670

Sounds a little reminiscent of the 4xxx series doesn't it?

Turns out I was lucky then. I got the HIS 5670 ($95) just before the 54xx and 55xx cards came out. It's double width with a very quiet fan, and just fits in my Shuttle XPC SP35 P2 Pro. http://is.gd/7Zg8q

That's what I suspected Enforce smooth video playback does. I don't think there's much more to it though, I don't agree at all with the popularity argument (on anything, really):


Why couldn't that "magic" just be it disabling some processing functions, like AMD said it does, and it's pretty much the only explanation that makes any sense? It could disable some stuff that it's not un-selectable on CCC, but it's the same.

AMD is being overly conservative with their drivers. Could be the marketing ppl forcing their hand. The 5570 is just as good if not better than the 4670. There's no reason it should be handicapped by the driver at all. I bet if you disable ESVP, you can enable all the post-processing features and still get smooth video.

Im glad that at least one major review site has finally brought HTPC concerns to the forefront of their review duty. This should get AMD to take bigger notice of these bugs/issues with their drivers.

I think it's just a bug.


I just left a comment there saying exactly the same. I don't think ESVP is very useful anyway. It's just kinda lazy blind disabling of processing. If you're getting dropped frames or sync issues, just disable some post-processing yourself. That is, unless ESVP disables something that you normally can't through CCC.

Check this temp graph out:
Tom's Hardware
I wonder if it would be possible to just either remove or replace the fan on the XFX fansink
XFX
And look, a 320SP 5550 on their official site
XFX#2

So what do we gain with the 5570 so far? Enough hardware to possibly get the smooth thing working with DI plus some more graphics performance? So is it correct that the 5450 cannot do the deinterlacing even with smooth video enabled?

Thanks for all the help on here everyone. I Did solve some of my issues this weekend. I installed latest MPC HC and latest FFDSHOW X 64 and SVN build. I was still having issues with MKV playback and reinstalled sharks codecs for win 7 64. I am now bitstreaming DTS to my receiver in Windows Media Center 7!

I did have an issue with an MKV that contained a Dolby Digital 5.1 track that kept having little droputs. DTS and HD was fine.

Still sleep/resume issues, although hibernate sort of works now. Thanks for the help.!

Checking on you guys and getting feedback on things to fix/improve, and hopefully things you liked about AMD GPUs. This is a personal post, not official AMD position.

a) First, the drivers folks told me that the HDMI audio issues should work now with Catalyst 9.2 hotfix and Catalyst 10.1.

If it's not the case, please send me a private message with your specific issue, and I will see what I can do internally to improve it.

b) Regarding the "Enable smooth playback" option, when it is checked, the drivers will detect the capabilities of the GPU and adjust the post processing algorithms enabled to make sure that there's no dropped frames, which is always the number one priority. This is typically on entry level products. With mid-range and higher, the option has no effect, as everything is enabled.

Yet, knowing that many like to have full control on what to enable/disable, unchecking the "Enable smooth playback" option, allows to control which post-processing is on or off.

If you have comments on how to improve exposing these options, feel free to message me privately, I will take that to the UI team.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

I know you said to PM you, but, I'm going to speak for the entire group when I say we've seen absolutely no improvement whatsoever with the HDMI issue in 9.12 hotfix or 10.1 (including the various hotfixes kicking around for that, as well). I'll let the individuals who are still having issues contact you directly, but, there are many people still having to use an EDID override to get this to work. Fortunately I'm not one of them, but, I did want to bring this to your attention that nothing seems to have changed for those having problems.

So did you see an ESVP effect? Or anybody else?

Interlaced or progressive HD video or SD?
Or will ESVP show effect first time in Catalyst 10.5-10.7?

amdinput,

Thanks for the heads up and hopefully you'll help us out.

I'm not sure what you mean by 9.2 hotfix though, is that a typo? Also, 10.1 didn't fix any HDMI audio issues that I know of (EDID, non-continuous audio ("silent stream bug")). The silent stream bug is fixed by using the Realtek-provided driver. Check the thread on my sig for more details on the problems most of us seem to be having (they're scattered throughout this long thread, but many people have confirmed them here).

As was confirmed by Anandtech and now by amdinput, the ESVP setting has no inherent effect. It just disables some processing. So if your card is already powerful enough, ESVP on or off won't make a difference (it doesn't with my 5770). It seems with the 5570 there's a bug though, cause it seems to disable more post-processing features than with the 5450.

No problem for public posts, PM are better for specifics. I had some PMs already. I'm on occasional guest on AVS Forum, and I want to make sure that AMD drivers improve.

Yeah, sure you are occasional guest and me too AMD INPUT or amd/ati input.

Truly appreciated. All we want is for the drivers to improve, as well. This helps everyone. So your time here is definitely appreciated! Thanks!!

MPC-HC and the FFDSHOW latest versions are great for me at the moment. I thought i had an issue yesterday not been able to change audio streams but it was a simple tick in a box to allow the Audio Switcher Let's just say 2012 DTSHD-MA mkv file works a treat and sounds awesome.