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post #5281 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Actually PDDVD9 is the hardest, for you either can bitstream both DTS HD & TrueHD or you bitstream nothing. With other players you get at least DTS HD if you need the override but haven't installed one.

I was wondering if it installed some shared resource in the background that was making these other systems work..

Something is wacky here...
post #5282 of 7498
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I was wondering if it installed some shared resource in the background that was making these other systems work..

No, I have PDVD9 and can't bitstream TrueHD, and with PDVD9 can't bitstream at all, without the override.
post #5283 of 7498
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

OK, I am confused.

If I want the best possible image sent to my TV, what output should I use?

This is assuming my AVR and TV can accept all four types (full RGB, limited RGB, 4:2:2, and 2:2:2).

Also assume everything works as it should - I understand the current debate is over things working properly or not.

The YCbCr options convert all RGB so I don't think those should be used unless absolutely necessary. If your TV can take it, use full RGB.

BTW I'm taking my basic cues from madshi himself:

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For us HTPC users it's even worse: The graphics cards do not offer any way for us developers to output untouched YCbCr data. Instead we have to use RGB. Ok, e.g. in ATI's control panel with some graphics cards and driver versions you can activate YCbCr output, *but* it's rather obvious that internally the data is converted to RGB first and then later back to YCbCr, which is a usually not a good idea if you care about max image quality. So the only true choice for us HTPC users is to go RGB.
post #5284 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

No, I have PDVD9 and can't bitstream TrueHD, and with PDVD9 can't bitstream at all, without the override.

I'm using the U2410 native driver (with ICC profile) now and yes, TrueHD works too.
Using the TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts sample, I made an iso file with ClownBD (ImgBurn is needed) and mounted it in Virtual CloneDrive to playback in PDVD9 or TMT3. TrueHD doesn't work loading m2ts file in PDVD9 and TMT3, only in MPC-HC.
post #5285 of 7498
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Originally Posted by trapo View Post

I'm using the U2410 native driver (with ICC profile) now and yes, TrueHD works too.
Using the TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts sample, I made an iso file with ClownBD (ImgBurn is needed) and mounted it in Virtual CloneDrive to playback in PDVD9 or TMT3. TrueHD doesn't work loading m2ts file in PDVD9 and TMT3, only in MPC-HC.

wait, so TrueHD does not work with TMT3 or PDVD?
post #5286 of 7498
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

wait, so TrueHD does not work with TMT3 or PDVD?

He's saying that he had to make an ISO because playing the m2ts file directly does not work with TMT or PDVD.
post #5287 of 7498
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

wait, so TrueHD does not work with TMT3 or PDVD?

Yes, it does, but if you don't have a bluray disc with TrueHD, you must have an image file created from a TrueHD m2ts file mounted in a virtual drive.
I'm uploading the iso file and I'll post the link soon.

Ok, here's the TEST_7.1_TRUEHD_ISO.zip

Tulli followed closely the saga to get bitstream in my setup. After trying everything, I had to install the OS again and now I can playback all formats in all players just using cat 10.2.
I really don't know what is the major factor, but it seems that something in OS config needs to be clean besides catalyst last driver.
post #5288 of 7498
Is this what you are supposed to see? Is this mean things are properly calibrated?

Or, does this mean you need to adjust brightness and contrast down to 16 and 235?

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Originally Posted by cyberlolo View Post

This is what I get with my HD4850, using RGB Full and madVR configured to full range levels:



post #5289 of 7498
I have the following:

Pioneer KRP-500M
Denon AVR-2310ci
ATI HD5570
Prior to Tulli's EDID override (Pioneer plasma and Denon 2308) my only refresh rate option was 60Hz, after using it I can select 50 or 60Hz, however I still do not have the option for 24Hz.

How can I get the option for 24Hz?
post #5290 of 7498
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Originally Posted by BigZAJ View Post

I have the following:

Pioneer KRP-500M
Denon AVR-2310ci
ATI HD5570
Prior to Tulli's EDID override (Pioneer plasma and Denon 2308) my only refresh rate option was 60Hz, after using it I can select 50 or 60Hz, however I still do not have the option for 24Hz.

How can I get the option for 24Hz?

Try the HDTV custom settings in CCC (see the screenshot)
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post #5291 of 7498
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Originally Posted by BigZAJ View Post

I have the following:

Pioneer KRP-500M
Denon AVR-2310ci
ATI HD5570
Prior to Tulli's EDID override (Pioneer plasma and Denon 2308) my only refresh rate option was 60Hz, after using it I can select 50 or 60Hz, however I still do not have the option for 24Hz.

How can I get the option for 24Hz?

Someone had the same problem a couple days ago, it was GPU scaling. Disable it if you have it enabled.
post #5292 of 7498
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Originally Posted by trapo View Post

Try the HDTV custom settings in CCC (see the screenshot)

I cannot find that option, I have:

Welcome
Information Center
Desktops & Displays
Desktop Properties
Display Options
3D
Avivo Video
ATI Overdrive
post #5293 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Someone had the same problem a couple days ago, it was GPU scaling. Disable it if you have it enabled.

Where is the option for GPU scaling?
post #5294 of 7498
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Originally Posted by BigZAJ View Post

Where is the option for GPU scaling?

Go to "desktops and displays" in the bottom of that window is a small picture of your monitor. Left click on the little black arrow and go to "configure"

Scaling options are in that.

They sure do make it hard to find!
post #5295 of 7498
My TV does not have HDMI so I need to connect the video portion using the DVI connector. I see there are DVI to Component adaptors provided by ATI, however the 5000 series is not mentioned as supported.

Can anyone tell me if I can make this work?

http://ati.amd.com/products/hdtvadapter/specs.html
post #5296 of 7498
Hi,
anyone can help to share where can we download TrueHD or DTS-HD sample file to test? i check the 1st page post: TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts. unable to access or download.

================================
I got it:
http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts
thx
post #5297 of 7498
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Originally Posted by djlah View Post

i check the 1st page post: TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts. unable to access or download.

I had to remove the download that is linked in the first post because a couple of Chinese and Russian sites linked it and ate my bandwidth. My bandwidth usage went from 20GB/mo to over 200GB/mo and the second month was on track for about 350GB/mo until I killed it.
post #5298 of 7498
Arghh!!! I finally upgraded to 10.2 and I regret it after only 2 minutes. I never had the oversized cursor issue with 10.1 but it returned as soon as I installed 10.2. It annoys me to no end.
post #5299 of 7498
I've read about that, how and when does it happen?
post #5300 of 7498
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Originally Posted by cyberlolo View Post

So just to make things clear. Are you saying that with an HD4850 card, the only way to watch videos with the highest PQ is using PowerDVD and YCbCr 4:4:4? If it's so, I don't understand how with Full RGB (then, if you're right, the video levels are compressed), I'm able to see all the growing scale from 0 (total black) to 255 (total white).



Why? I don't understand this either.



I don't. I get a worse image using Overlay than using evr or madVR. That's for sure.

If you're right and the card outputs 16-235 with Full RGB, how does that affect to PQ? Less dynamic range?

In your case, I guess RGB 4:4:4 is best for you. In my case, I only get 0-255 output from Overlay and YCrCb 4:4:4 output
post #5301 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

I've read about that, how and when does it happen?

One thing that is guaranteed to set it off on my machine is to move the cursor over a flash based content (like the ads on every website including this one). It's not the only thing that sets it off though. It normally happens withing 5 minutes of booting and the only way to get rid of it is to reboot again (for another 5 minutes without it). Not good for an HTPC that is on all the time.
post #5302 of 7498
It's stange that some user get Full RGB works, and others don't.
Andy and cyberlolo, could you please post your setup and how do you connect to your TV?
Do you have dual screen? Do you use HDMI port on the graphics card or ATI HDMI adaptor which connects to your DVI output? Do you go through an AMP? If so, what's the model of your AMP? Do you use EDID overwrite trick? Do you have Realtek HDMI driver? What is the version of CCC/graphics driver do you use?

Thank you very much for your help!
post #5303 of 7498
Not to pollut this thread, please submit your result following here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1229473
You can find how to do test in that thread.
Thank you very much for your help!!
post #5304 of 7498
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Originally Posted by somy View Post

It's stange that some user get Full RGB works, and others don't.
Andy and cyberlolo, could you please post your setup and how do you connect to your TV?
Do you have dual screen? Do you use HDMI port on the graphics card or ATI HDMI adaptor which connects to your DVI output? Do you go through an AMP? If so, what's the model of your AMP? Do you use EDID overwrite trick? Do you have Realtek HDMI driver? What is the version of CCC/graphics driver do you use?

Thank you very much for your help!

Full RGB pixel format is working well for us who have RGB 0-255 capable displays. I assume people with computer monitors would get it as well (as I was when I was using a NEC 2690 and ATI 4670).

My display is a Pioneer KRP-500 through a Pioneer VSX-01TXH AVR, connected directly to the HDMI output of a Powercolor 5770 w/10.2 final Catalyst drivers. No dual screen. Using Realtek 2.42 for HDMI audio (don't know how relevant that is though) without any EDID override. Windows 7 64-bit.
post #5305 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Full RGB pixel format is working well for us who have RGB 0-255 capable displays. I assume people with computer monitors would get it as well (as I was when I was using a NEC 2690 and ATI 4670).

My display is a Pioneer KRP-500 though a Pioneer VSX-01TXH AVR, connected directly to the HDMI output of a Powercolor 5770 w/10.2 final Catalyst drivers. No dual screen. Using Realtek 2.42 for HDMI audio (don't know how relevant that is though) without any EDID override. Windows 7 64-bit.

That confuses me a bit, my projector also accept both 16-235 and 0-255 with no problem. I can switch between HDMI normal and HDMI extended.
Anyway, thanks for your help.
post #5306 of 7498
Have you tried this (or can you try it if not)? Set your projector to HDMI EXPAND and your card to Full RGB pixel format and set these bmps as your desktop that jong1 embedded in this post (don't just open them with a photo program, to be sure, cause photo programs may use color management). Then switch between HDMI EXPAND and NORMAL in your projector, see if you see a difference.

I know this doesn't take video into account, but it will tell you if your projector is getting the full 0-255 signal which will give you a concrete starting point to calibrate video later, and it's a better test than video cause it takes it out of the equation. BTW just in case, the "black levels 1" bitmap has numbers, those are percentages, not RGB values. The "video black" bitmap has 0,0,0 RGB values so I think "video black" is a misnomer, it's just plain black.
post #5307 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Have you tried this (or can you try it if not)? Set your projector to HDMI EXPAND and your card to Full RGB pixel format and set these bmps as your desktop that jong1 embedded in this post (don't just open them with a photo program, to be sure, cause photo programs may use color management). Then switch between HDMI EXPAND and NORMAL in your projector, see if you see a difference.

I know this doesn't take video into account, but it will tell you if your projector is getting the full 0-255 signal which will give you a concrete starting point to calibrate video later, and it's a better test than video cause it takes it out of the equation. BTW just in case, the "black levels 1" bitmap has numbers, those are percentages, not RGB values. The "video black" bitmap has 0,0,0 RGB values so I think "video black" is a misnomer, it's just plain black.

I have tried this. No matter what content in RGB full, I only get 16-235 output from my graphics card. And it doesn't matter if I select expand mode or normal mode, because the luma meter in my projector tells me what the input looks like. I'm suspecting it's due to the EDID of my projector which only accept YCrCb input:

YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported

And it instructs ATI to compress RGB full to YCrCb 16-235. That also explains:
1) why the desktop in RGB colour space is always 16-235 no matter which pixel format I choose
2) I got 0-255 output when playing a video and choosing one of YCbCr output. Still, I cannot explain why the colour is different from RGB. Sad
Some Monitor users also got this problem, see:
http://forums.amd.com/game/messagevi...hreadid=121102

It would be nice if you can post your EDID here if possible. Thanks.
post #5308 of 7498
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Originally Posted by mkedda View Post

how do you verify this? with what pixel format?
the only consistency I get with the levels.mp4 and avs calibration bluray is when I use YCbCr 4:2:2

YCrCb 4:2:2 looks the same as YCrCb 4:4:4 to me
post #5309 of 7498
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Originally Posted by somy View Post

YCrCb 4:2:2 looks the same as YCrCb 4:4:4 to me

That is correct.
post #5310 of 7498
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Originally Posted by somy View Post

I have tried this. No matter what content in RGB full, I only get 16-235 output from my graphics card. And it doesn't matter if I select expand mode or normal mode, because the luma meter in my projector tells me what the input looks like. I'm suspecting it's due to the EDID of my projector which only accept YCrCb input:

YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported

And it instructs ATI to compress RGB full to YCrCb 16-235. That also explains:
1) why the desktop in RGB colour space is always 16-235 no matter which pixel format I choose
2) I got 0-255 output when playing a video and choosing one of YCbCr output. Still, I cannot explain why the colour is different from RGB. Sad
Some Monitor users also got this problem, see:
http://forums.amd.com/game/messagevi...hreadid=121102

It would be nice if you can post your EDID here if possible. Thanks.

So with those pics, pixel format RGB full output and EXPAND on your projector, you see pretty much all black and all white cause the center squares are clipped (except the 32 and 222 squares of course)? It might be an EDID problem, yes. I never ever had an EDID problem, so I'll have to check how to extract it first. What do you use, moninfo?
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