AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › ATI Radeon HD 5800, 5700 and 5600 Series Thread: Supporting HD Audio Bitstreaming!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

ATI Radeon HD 5800, 5700 and 5600 Series Thread: Supporting HD Audio Bitstreaming! - Page 3

post #61 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Is there any written confirmation from ATI? I don't think I seen that yet. But based on the original post's review, it clearly indicated that the 5XXX can can do bitstream now.

This slide does not use the word "bitstreaming", but almost indicates that:

Or ATI Radeon HD 5870 GPU Feature Summary

Quote:


Integrated HD audio controller
* Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required
* Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats


LL
post #62 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by sotti View Post

No it won't
The 5xxx are out today. PDVD 10 is not. Anandtech demo'd the 5xxx with PDVD9.

Thanks for playing debbie downer though.

It would be kind of amusing though in a sort of selfish d*ck kind of way, for those of us who bought PowerDVD 8 under the assumption that it would bitstream in the future.
post #63 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

This slide does not use the word "bitstreaming", but almost indicates that:

Or ATI Radeon HD 5870 GPU Feature Summary

I miss this one. To me, it is a confirmation now.
post #64 of 7498
i know, but u know what cyberlink will do to market/promote this bitstream effort as if only version 10 will support it =P.

BTW 24/192 is a bit behind now that nextgen AVRs support 32-bit/384kHz. =)
post #65 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFonger View Post

BTW 24/192 is a bit behind now that nextgen AVRs support 32-bit/384kHz. =)

?? Where did you hear that? Notwithstanding how people feel about "high-res" audio above 48 kHz, there is no content that high. Maybe they will process audio at that rate, but input?
post #66 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

?? Where did you hear that? Notwithstanding how people feel about "high-res" audio above 48 kHz, there is no content that high. Maybe they will process audio at that rate, but input?

Is it not obvious he's just thread crapping at this point.
post #67 of 7498
not really:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...e=5&highlight=

http://www.denon.com/glossary/2009/0...ed-al32-p.html

the 384k is up in the air, sorry about that, but AL32-bit is real. 32-bit/192kHz is nextgen,

but i would luv to see 384kHz =p

Quote:
Originally Posted by sotti View Post

Is it not obvious he's just thread crapping at this point.

thus, these GPUs are already out-dated
post #68 of 7498
I can only see 32-bit processing mentioned in your second link, which BTW only reinforces my opinion that Denon likes to cater to the audio snake-oil crowd. I have sworn off Denon for this since this hilarious episode.
post #69 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Now MKV files with untouched TrueHD/DTS-HD MA audio tracks would be a viable option.

What players support this in Windows 7?

Right now I'm ripping my BD's to .mkv using flac for the audio and the only items I add to a clean Windows 7 install are Matroska splitter and MadFlac, so playback is using the wmc7 player.
post #70 of 7498
Is more an issue of the splitter, cause the player and the decoder (at least ffdshow for TrueHD) are already capable. Not sure if the mkv container supports those formats, but the m2ts container obviously does. I think it'd be even better to get the m2ts splitter to work its magic there.
post #71 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

I can only see 32-bit processing mentioned in your second link, which BTW only reinforces my opinion that Denon likes to cater to the audio snake-oil crowd. I have sworn off Denon for this since this hilarious episode.

OMG the comments on that are amazing.
I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
post #72 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pclausen View Post

What players support this in Windows 7?

Right now I'm ripping my BD's to .mkv using flac for the audio and the only items I add to a clean Windows 7 install are Matroska splitter and MadFlac, so playback is using the wmc7 player.

If you mean playing a MKV file with a TrueHD audio track and outputting mutichannel LPCM (not TrueHD bitsreams of course, at least right now), then you can use any customizable DirectShow player, for example the 7MC internal player. As for DTS-HD MA, there is no decoder (except for ArcSoft one, but it has an issue) so that you have to be content with core DTS.

I created a MKV file with a Dolby TrueHD audio track from Spider-Man 3 BD and played it with 7MC:

from my post.

But you'd better stick to FLAC (with madFlac + WASAPI exclusive mode) until bitstreaming HD audio is supported by a DirectShow player (or a free DTS-HD MA decoder is developed).
post #73 of 7498
Hmmm which mkv splitter are you using? I haven't been able to play TrueHD from an mkv cause of the splitter. I think I used Haali and Gabest.
post #74 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Hmmm which mkv splitter are you using? I haven't been able to play TrueHD from an mkv cause of the splitter. I think I used Haali and Gabest.

MPC HomeCinema's MKV splitter (someone suggested it in this thread).
post #75 of 7498
I see. Will try, thanks.
post #76 of 7498
Just realized I'm using version/build 1.2.1040.0. A bit old it seems, but necessary for me because I need to use madVR. Hopefully it'll work.


EDIT: 1.3.1249 does support madvr natively, what a nice surprise.
post #77 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

But you'd better stick to FLAC (with madFlac + WASAPI exclusive mode) until bitstreaming HD audio is supported by a DirectShow player (or a free DTS-HD MA decoder is developed).

That's what I was wondering. Thanks!
post #78 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by pclausen View Post

What players support this in Windows 7?

It's not the player that will support it but the audio decoder. As I said, ffdshow tryouts had some experimental code to support bitstreaming but since no device worked with the IEC61937 format, it was untested. The code has been removed in the recent builds. Once an audio decoder (like ffdshow) supports it again and the audio renderer supports it, it will work in any DirectShow application (SageTV, GB-PVR, MediaPortal, etc).

As renethx said though, it's best to stick to FLAC for now.
post #79 of 7498
For anybody looking to do some testing with various codecs such as TrueHD and DTS-MA, I compiled a list of test files here.
post #80 of 7498
Interesting that all the cards pictured so far are double PCI with both double HDMI and double DVI ports. Wonder the limitations of all those ports? One DVI port and one HDMI port at a time?
post #81 of 7498
Can someone link to or explain this IEC61937 that keeps getting mentioned in something easy to understand? Google isn't being friendly to me on this topic.
post #82 of 7498
Going to purchase my card real soon... I am excited.
post #83 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Now MKV files with untouched TrueHD/DTS-HD MA audio tracks would be a viable option.

this
post #84 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

If you mean playing a MKV file with a TrueHD audio track and outputting mutichannel LPCM (not TrueHD bitsreams of course, at least right now), then you can use any customizable DirectShow player, for example the 7MC internal player. As for DTS-HD MA, there is no decoder (except for ArcSoft one, but it has an issue) so that you have to be content with core DTS.

I created a MKV file with a Dolby TrueHD audio track from Spider-Man 3 BD and played it with 7MC:

from my post.

But you'd better stick to FLAC (with madFlac + WASAPI exclusive mode) until bitstreaming HD audio is supported by a DirectShow player (or a free DTS-HD MA decoder is developed).

what does your receiver say when u play the file?
post #85 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr007 View Post

what does your receiver say when u play the file?

It doesn't light up as TrueHD if that's what you're asking. ffdshow decodes the TrueHD and sends it to the receiver as decoded PCM audio.
post #86 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by jruser View Post

Can someone link to or explain this IEC61937 that keeps getting mentioned in something easy to understand? Google isn't being friendly to me on this topic.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...61(VS.85).aspx

Quote:


With the increase in media storage devices that require compressed audio formats, applications must identify, describe, and use a variety of new encoded audio content for transmitting content from PCs to devices such as HDMI or DisplayPort receiver.


To represent an encoded audio stream to be transmitted over an IEC 61937-compatible interface, an application must provide:


The characteristics of an encoded audio stream to be transmitted.

The characteristics of a decoded audio stream on the target device.

In Windows Vista and earlier Windows operating systems, an application can infer the quality level of an audio format from the number of channels, the sample size, and the data rate of an audio stream that uses the format. For a PCM format, this information is available from the nChannels, nSamplesPerSec, and nAvgBytesPerSec members of the WAVEFORMATEX structure that specifies the format. For a non-PCM format, these three members have been commandeered to store information about the compressed data in the audio stream. Thus, the WAVEFORMATEX structure lacks information about the effective number of channels, sample size, and data rate of the non-PCM audio stream after the stream is decompressed and played. Based on the information in this structure, a user or an application might have difficulty inferring the quality level of the non-PCM stream.

The WAVEFORMATEX was extended to the WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE structure to provide the extra stream characteristics. However, this structure is also not adequate in describing the stream for IEC 61937 transmissions because it was intended to represent a single set of characteristics and used for uncompressed, multi-channel PCM data.

In Windows 7, the operating system addresses this problem by providing support for a new structure, WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE_IEC61937 which extends WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE structure to store two sets of audio stream characteristics: the encoded audio format before transmission and characteristics of the audio stream after it has been decoded. The new structure explicitly specifies the effective number of channels, sample size, and data rate of a non-PCM format. With this information, an application can infer the quality level of the non-PCM stream after it is decompressed and played.

The current Windows audio system did not have the necessary structure to define the advanced audio (It only supported SPDIF). The new structure adds support for the advanced HD audio codecs like TrueHD and DTS-MA to be bitstreamed over the HDMI and DisplayPort interfaces. The changes must be programmatically implemented in two places: The output device (like the 5870) and the decoder filter (like ffdshow).

Basically, if the Windows drivers for a particular audio device supports it (Windows 7 only), Directshow filters like ffdshow can be used to bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA. You could then get bitstreaming from pretty much any player you want.

Right now, we are speculating (read as "hoping") whether or not it has been implemented in the drivers for the new ATI cards.
post #87 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by H8nXTC View Post

Wonder the limitations of all those ports? One DVI port and one HDMI port at a time?

The reference card has 2 x DVI-I, 1 x HDMI and 1 x DP. You can use up to three ports simultaneously in one of the following combinations:

- DVI-I + DVI-I + DP
- DVI-I + HDMI + DP

So DVI-I + DVI-I + HDMI is not supported.
post #88 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr007 View Post

what does your receiver say when u play the file?

Multichannel PCM.
post #89 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by nobi125 View Post

Dammit, I just bought a HDAV Slim.

I did the same and still happy with the slim for now. Untill we get a fanless version and the play back is fully debbugged there will be a few months to still enjoy the slim.

I really don't like pdvd so hopefully they where smart enough to lock themself woth one player provider.
post #90 of 7498
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladd View Post

With bitstreaming, you don't need WASAPI.

Exact wasapi become usefull for pcm based source such a cd
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Home Theater Computers
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › ATI Radeon HD 5800, 5700 and 5600 Series Thread: Supporting HD Audio Bitstreaming!