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post #751 of 7498
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Originally Posted by LPT View Post

Jason, are you saying that the Sapphire HD 5770 CARD will not bit stream Blue Ray at all?

It won't PLAY a blu-ray at all, so any question beyond that about Blu-ray is irrelevent. Sapphire bought a version of TMT that plays DVDs only. (or what we refer to as "Standard" from the retail side.)
post #752 of 7498
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

It won't PLAY a blu-ray at all, so any question beyond that about Blu-ray is irrelevent. They bought a version of TMT that plays DVDs only. (or what we refer to as "Standard" from the retail side.)

Jason,

Thanks for your reply. When you refer "they" are you refer to ATI or?
post #753 of 7498
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Jason,

Thanks for your reply. When you refer "they" are you refer to ATI or?

Sapphire.. ATI don't sell any cards/bundles.. It's up to each individual company how they're going to put together their hardware/software package.
post #754 of 7498
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I have no use for it if its not going to bitstream with the 5XXX cards.

I have not confirmed one way or the other if it will or will not bitstream with the ATI 5xxx series cards because it's not my place to make feature annoucements. That's the marketing department's job (assuming we support it and they feel it's worthy of a press release) not something I can just make a unilateral decision on because someone on a message board wants to know. This is SOP. Until some bit of information becomes public knowledge (like the Intel bitstreaming "leak" from Intel) through another source it's rumor. If I discuss something I'm not supposed to, then there is the potential that executives will ask me not to discuss the product publicly anymore, and then there're no answers to any questions.
post #755 of 7498
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

I have not confirmed one way or the other if it will or will not bitstream with the ATI 5xxx series cards because it's not my place to make feature annoucements. That's the marketing department's job (assuming we support it and they feel it's worthy of a press release) not something I can just make a unilateral decision on because someone on a message board wants to know. This is SOP. Until some bit of information becomes public knowledge (like the Intel bitstreaming "leak" from Intel) through another source it's rumor. If I discuss something I'm not supposed to, then there is the potential that executives will ask me not to discuss the product publicly anymore, and then there're no answers to any questions.

That would, to put this bluntly, royally suck.
post #756 of 7498
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

It won't PLAY a blu-ray at all, so any question beyond that about Blu-ray is irrelevent. Sapphire bought a version of TMT that plays DVDs only. (or what we refer to as "Standard" from the retail side.)

Thanks

This is very clear that not only Ati or nVidia itself but vendors individually make aggreements with SW manufacturers.
Even Sapphire would make an agreement with any SW manufacturer, this doesn't mean Ati *** will work on bitstreaming with any other vendor's card.
That explains why we wait @albain's ffdshow
@james' reclock; dunno?
post #757 of 7498
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Originally Posted by utjackal View Post

Its a bit naive to think that, well we have it working on hardware A, so therefore we just have to change a bit of code so that instead of it it saying ASUS, it says ATI and now it works on hardware B. Being that two different companies made these products, they could be worlds apart in terms of writing code to support that specific hardware. And being that ONLY two software companies support bit-streaming hi-def movies (that I'm aware of), this obviously isn't an easy task. But as Jason said, it does prove that they are capable, so there is probably light at the end of the tunnel.

There's merit to his point. Having the proper framework in place helps from a technical standpoint.

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You must keep in mind that we HTPC users were most likely not considered too heavily. While it is a feature that ATI thinks is important enough to put on the box, I'm not surprised at all that they didn't pair up with a software company to get this working, although I wish they did as well.

Blu ray is still a niche (barely.) Blu ray on PC is a niche of a niche. Bitstreaming audio from a Blu ray on a PC is a niche of a niche of a niche. I'm surprised they put it on the box, honestly. It took three years to get to this point which isn't even as far is it needs to go and whether it's Cyberlink or ArcSoft or someone else who makes this particular small step first it isn't going to matter all that much in the long run (though I wouldn't disagree it would be nice to be first again.) PAP will be ubiquitous, standardized, and seamless within the OS at some point and that's the end-game that's good for everyone.

K. skimmed a lot of posts since my last one. If I missed something directed at me, feel free to ask again as I'll be reading from HERE next time I drop in to see if there's anything new with Cyberlink/ffdshow solutions.
post #758 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Thanks for the interesting tip. I get 23.97x with HD 4670 without ReClock, but "x" is not 6. I will try it.

I ran more tests and using ReClock it shows that the video card is doing 23.977. I doubt that .001 is gonna make a huge difference.
post #759 of 7498
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

Got it. No, the agreements tend to be specific to the bit of hardware.

Of course, we wouldn't turn down the new business if they wanted to bundle TMT in that hardware at a fair price. ASUS has been a pretty strong customer for TMT recently so I wouldn't find such a deal in the future out of the realm of possibility.

Regarding bitstreaming in particular, since there's no standardization at this time, every implimentation is proprietary and the existing code for the Xonar has very little impact on the work required to support the ATI implimentation (beyond as a proof of concept that ArcSoft is fully capable of building such a solution and has experience with the real world implimentation.)


Understood.
post #760 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

My table needs to be updated...

As for 24p with HD 5750, the driver failed to detect EDID (Onkyo 606) correctly and I have to add 24p and 60p manually. No 23Hz. So 24.000Hz.


This is silly, the card must suipport these. It must be a driver bug.
post #761 of 7498
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

While I agree they appear to be using a newer driver, I can't take that article seriously because of all the inaccuracies in it. In any case, we should be getting an official 9.10 release, um, some day this month. We'll see how that goes.


Do you have 23.97x connection with your 5870?
post #762 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

Do you have 23.97x connection with your 5870?

I can't. My tv in the living room is 60 only.
post #763 of 7498
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

I can't. My tv in the living room is 60 only.

Geeee! You are living in the dark ages.

Seriously my living room lcd tv doesnt support 24hz neither. My projector does.

Did anybody else managed to get 23.97x connection using a 58xx?
post #764 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

Geeee! You are living in the dark ages.

Seriously my living room lcd tv doesnt support 24hz neither. My projector does.

Did anybody else managed to get 23.97x connection using a 58xx?

My bedroom 40" Samsung 120Hz does. But I can't move the machine just to test it. I have a lot attached to my HTPC and it's a pain to move around. My 4850 works fine for 24 (don't do 23.97x) with 9.9.
post #765 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I ran more tests and using ReClock it shows that the video card is doing 23.977. I doubt that .001 is gonna make a huge difference.

Really? Then apparently you never watched the second matrix movie.
post #766 of 7498
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

This is silly, the card must suipport these. It must be a driver bug.

Yeah, everybody who owns a HD 4xxx and is interested in 24 Hz knows that.
post #767 of 7498
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I ran more tests and using ReClock it shows that the video card is doing 23.977. I doubt that .001 is gonna make a huge difference.

Every 1/.001 = 1000 seconds = 16.666 minutes, an extra frame is inserted...
post #768 of 7498
So is the bitstreaming with 24p working flawlessly or bug ridden like the Auzentech Solution?
post #769 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Bitstreaming is not supported until CyberLink releases a patch. But even then, smooth playback at 24 Hz is not possible unless AMD fixes the driver issue: you will see an extra frame every ~42 seconds.
post #770 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Every 1/.001 = 1000 seconds = 16.666 minutes, an extra frame is inserted...

120 minute movie...less than 8 extra frames added out of 10,353,744 total frames. I can live with that.
post #771 of 7498
Are displays that accurate though? MPC HC's Custom EVR information shows those numbers fluctuating a tiny bit always. I would think a very small amount of jitter, which is pretty much invisible, takes care of the difference.
post #772 of 7498
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post



Blu ray is still a niche (barely.) Blu ray on PC is a niche of a niche. Bitstreaming audio from a Blu ray on a PC is a niche of a niche of a niche. I'm surprised they put it on the box, honestly. It took three years to get to this point which isn't even as far is it needs to go...

Truer words seldom spoken...
post #773 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

120 minute movie...less than 8 extra frames added out of 10,353,744 total frames. I can live with that.

By the way, besides what I said above... this is only if you never pause or FF or RW the movie. Once you do that, the clock "resets".
post #774 of 7498
A lot of people talk about PDVD not beeing good software. What are the things that PDVD can t do/lacks in that TMT3 or MPC-HC can?
post #775 of 7498
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

A lot of people talk about PDVD not beeing good software. What are the things that PDVD can t do/lacks in that TMT3 or MPC-HC can?

Just take a look at the official PDVD9 thread to have an idea.

In terms of number of refunds, this must have been a record edition for Cyberlink. A very bad record.
post #776 of 7498
so i just installed my new ATI 5750 (PowerColor) with arctic fan...

what exact PowerDVD should i be using to get bitstreaming ?
post #777 of 7498
PDVD9 + coming (not available yet) patch ... BUT, there's PDVD10 in the way (don't know when). If you have to buy it now better wait for next version, otherwise you'd be shelling out PDVD9 cost + PDVD10 upgrade.
post #778 of 7498
Tulli I think you need to make your jokes more obvious, you made me google.
post #779 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

PDVD9 + coming (not available yet) patch ... BUT, there's PDVD10 in the way (don't know when). If you have to buy it now better wait for next version, otherwise you'd be shelling out PDVD9 cost + PDVD10 upgrade.

so that patch is not yet available for the public ?

it seems reviewers like anand already use this....
post #780 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Tulli I think you need to make your jokes more obvious, you made me google.

Yeah, it's a good joke! To even think of that (PDVD9 + 10 upgrade) makes me shiver ...
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