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post #91 of 7498
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

No but if you can bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA, why do you need flac?

obviously flac cannot be bitstreamed you need a player that support it such as foobar.

You think only of blu-ray and hd dvd content, threre are numerous audio content in flac format.
post #92 of 7498
Yeah, I know. I was only thinking about movies. Completely forgot about my NIN music.
post #93 of 7498
Hmm thinking about it a bit more, the ATI drivers do work with WASAPI exclusive and foobar2k. They don't with ReClock, but since we use ReClock for video mostly, if THD and DTS MA and the other movie audio codecs are bitstream-able, then there might not be a problem there.
post #94 of 7498
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Originally Posted by nobi125 View Post

Dammit, I just bought a HDAV Slim.

no reason not to. this thing can't be had yet and until then , and until its all verified its all pixie dust and fairy tales.
post #95 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Hmm thinking about it a bit more, the ATI drivers do work with WASAPI exclusive and foobar2k. They don't with ReClock, but since we use ReClock for video mostly, if THD and DTS MA and the other movie audio codecs are bitstream-able, then there might not be a problem there.

With the 4670 I use Wasapi for audio on through Foobar2k and it is working really well.No messing around by vista.

On top of that this is the only solution that can support 88.4kz, the slim card do not support 88.4khz, only 46, 96, nothing in between which is really odd.
post #96 of 7498
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

no reason not to. this thing can't be had yet and until then , and until its all verified its all pixie dust and fairy tales.

Exact! Sadly any new product that start to support DTS-MA needs month of debugging.

The slim not being Idel is currently doing the job well.

Hoppefully until we get the smaller version that could be made fanless (5670?), they will be able to debug the software and drivers on the 5850.
post #97 of 7498
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

no reason not to. this thing can't be had yet and until then , and until its all verified its all pixie dust and fairy tales.

It wouldn't fit in my HTPC anyways. I would have to wait for a low profile 5650 or something like that.

Glad I only paid about $100 for the slim though.
post #98 of 7498
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

no reason not to. this thing can't be had yet and until then , and until its all verified its all pixie dust and fairy tales.

Newegg had them in stock breifly yesterday.
They are coming in and out of stock pretty quickly, they are listed you can be autonotified, if you want to drop $380 on a video card, I bet you could have one in your hands by next friday easy.
post #99 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

I can only see 32-bit processing mentioned in your second link, which BTW only reinforces my opinion that Denon likes to cater to the audio snake-oil crowd. I have sworn off Denon for this since this hilarious episode.

I take a different view of it.

We all know there are a LOT of fools out there with money to burn. Someone has to get that money. It might as well be a company I buy from. They can use the insane profit from that cable to fund R&D.

post #100 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

If you mean playing a MKV file with a TrueHD audio track and outputting mutichannel LPCM (not TrueHD bitsreams of course, at least right now), then you can use any customizable DirectShow player, for example the 7MC internal player. As for DTS-HD MA, there is no decoder (except for ArcSoft one, but it has an issue) so that you have to be content with core DTS.

I created a MKV file with a Dolby TrueHD audio track from Spider-Man 3 BD and played it with 7MC:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1251263481

from my post.

Just one more question... how are you extracting the TrueHD audio? I've been using HD-DVD/Blu-ray Stream Extractor, but the latest builds don't seem to show that option, only a very old build does. With the new builds I can only transcode to flac or whatever else.
post #101 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Just one more question... how are you extracting the TrueHD audio? I've been using HD-DVD/Blu-ray Stream Extractor, but the latest builds don't seem to show that option, only a very old build does. With the new builds I can only transcode to flac or whatever else.

You can use eac3to or TSMuxer to demux the movie and get TrueHD track.
post #102 of 7498
Dear ATI,
Thank you, I will buy your product even though I already own a passively cooled, HDMI native 4670.
Sincerely,
Smitty2k1
post #103 of 7498
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Just one more question... how are you extracting the TrueHD audio? I've been using HD-DVD/Blu-ray Stream Extractor, but the latest builds don't seem to show that option, only a very old build does. With the new builds I can only transcode to flac or whatever else.

If you prefer GUI, use Clown_BD to extract tracks (eac3to underlying), then use mkvmerge GUI.
post #104 of 7498
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Originally Posted by HTPC8813 View Post

You can use eac3to or TSMuxer to demux the movie and get TrueHD track.

HD-DVD/BR Stream extractor is an eac3to GUI, and I didn't remember tsMuxer extracting mkv-compliant streams... I'll check it out, but I think I'll be all right with ClownBD (thanks both BTW).

Although it turns out that for TrueHD material mkv might not even be necessary, I just tried playing the m2ts directly with MPC-HC and it's working great, decoding TrueHD and letting you choose audio and subs, pretty much the only difference I see is chapters, but if you've got a progress bar that's not a big deal anyway.
post #105 of 7498
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3648&p=8

and now the mobo's can do it too...

Soundcards for bitstreaming seem dead now ?
post #106 of 7498
Let me know when there's a passive video card that supports this.
post #107 of 7498
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Originally Posted by griffy_nz View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3648&p=8

and now the mobo's can do it too...

Soundcards for bitstreaming seem dead now ?

Seems like the best option once all the bugs are ironed out
post #108 of 7498
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Originally Posted by griffy_nz View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3648&p=8

and now the mobo's can do it too...

Soundcards for bitstreaming seem dead now ?

I can't tell you how much I want this
post #109 of 7498
Thread Starter 
An advantage of Core i5/i3 Clarkdale processor would be that you can use any discrete graphics card (e.g. NVIDIA or an older Radeon HD 4xxx/3xxx) with HD audio bitstreaming thanks to the support for heterogeneous graphics in Windows 7, assuming using IGP does not disable the PCI Express 2.0 x16 link (as in the current G45).
post #110 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

An advantage of Core i5/i3 Clarkdale processor would be that you can use any discrete graphics card (e.g. NVIDIA or an older Radeon HD 4xxx/3xxx) with HD audio bitstreaming thanks to the support for heterogeneous graphics in Windows 7, assuming using IGP does not disable the PCI Express 2.0 x16 link (as in the current G45).

So with Core i5/i3 Clarkdale CPU + NVIDIA or an older Radeon HD 4xxx/3xxx + Win7 + TMT3 = bitstream, right?

Is that means this review is using NVIDIA or an older Radeon HD 4xxx/3xxx to bistream?

If so with ? CPU MB, with no discrete graphics card , + Win7 + TMT3 = bitstream.
post #111 of 7498
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Is that means this review is using NVIDIA or an older Radeon HD 4xxx/3xxx to bistream?

Not necessarily, and it used the internal graphics as a matter of fact.
post #112 of 7498
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Originally Posted by griffy_nz View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3648&p=8

and now the mobo's can do it too...

Soundcards for bitstreaming seem dead now ?

thanks for the info....


there should really be more MEDIA attention on this...

it seems only anandtech even cares about DTS MA and Dolby TRUE bitstreaming ......

i mean it took the PC industry 3 years to get this working.....
post #113 of 7498
post #114 of 7498
Thread Starter 
Then even better.

VR-Zone - [Rumour] ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series Sum-Up

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Originally rumoured to a 800 SP / 128-bit memory chip - something I doubted - Anandtech now suggests it is going to be a 14 SIMD part. Which signifies specifications of 1120 SP / 56 TMU. A cutback from the 32 ROPs in Cypress is also expected - perhaps 24 ROPs. The memory interface may end up being 192-bit. A fair increase from the previously rumoured 800 SP / 128-bit.

This means that the HD 5700 series will end up faster than the 4800 series after all, in the same price bracket. The 5750 is rumoured to be priced at $149, replacing the 4870, with the 5770 at $199, replacing the 4890. From the Nvidia side of things - the HD 5750 and HD 5770 will favourably compete with GTX 260 and GTX 275, respectively - two cards that currently cost far more to manufacture. Both 5700 products are expected to run cool and be very power efficient, and retain all feature benefits of the HD 5800 series. So far, other details about the HD 5700 series is scarce - though the HSF closely resembles that of the 4770 reference design.

The HD 5700 series is expected to launch around the Windows 7 release time-frame, i.e. October 22nd/23rd, though some rumours call for an earlier release date - around October 10th. Following the HD 5700 cards closely will be the dual-Cypress monster Hemlock (5800 X2) in late-October/early-November.

More pictures here.

Compare with HD 4770 reference card:


LL
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post #115 of 7498
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Originally Posted by griffy_nz View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3648&p=8

and now the mobo's can do it too...

Soundcards for bitstreaming seem dead now ?

Yes they will be really soon but before that we other softare players than PDVD to support this. How long will take for this to happen.

Bitstreaming through the mobo would be even better.
post #116 of 7498
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Originally Posted by trailergod View Post


it seems only anandtech even cares about DTS MA and Dolby TRUE bitstreaming ......
.....

Sadly they are the only one. On the good side at least there is one revier that pay attention to this.
post #117 of 7498
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

If so with ? CPU MB, with no discrete graphics card , + Win7 + TMT3 = bitstream.

This would be ideal and allows us to fit in smaller HTPC case?
post #118 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Not necessarily, and it used the internal graphics as a matter of fact.

Unfortunately, I don't know the specifics on the what happens in the heterogenous graphics support model. The integrated graphics support bitstreaming natively, but I don't think this means a discrete card which is otherwise incapable of bitstreaming inherits the capability.
post #119 of 7498
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Unfortunately, I don't know the specifics on the what happens in the heterogenous graphics support model. The integrated graphics support bitstreaming natively, but I don't think this means a discrete card which is otherwise incapable of bitstreaming inherits the capability.

The idea is simple. Connect, for example, your GeForce GTX 300 to the display and connect HDMI port of the Clarkdale (via H55/57) to the AVR. Select "Intel HDMI Audio" as the default sound playback device and select it too in TMT. Select "Extend mode" in Windows desktop, the primary display being GeForce and the secondary being Intel IGP whose video signals go nowhere outside the AVR.

The only necessary condition for this to work is that the internal GPU and PCI Express 2.0 x16 in the Clarkdale processor work simultaneously (unlike G45 or any other existing Intel IGP chipset). As Ironlake is a derivative of G45, this may not work, however?
post #120 of 7498
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Not necessarily, and it used the internal graphics as a matter of fact.

renethx,

So in the end of the day, from your info so far today, which CPU and/or MB can use internal graphic, without graphic card, bitstream?
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