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post #901 of 7498
Sam, congrats on your 1000th post!
post #902 of 7498
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Originally Posted by txredneckbud View Post

Thanks Sam. You are right. Will order it tonight.

Well, after I figure out what tuner card to get. Thats all I need to complete my parts for the HTPC. I know its not the right thread, but,,,,

We dont have cable. Have satellite and of course OTA. Is Hauppage the way to go? There are a couple cards listed on the famous 85 page but really need a push on a decision.

Perhaps I can be of assistance here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1015617

That thread might help you make a decision.
post #903 of 7498
Thanks sam! Isnt part of what an HTPC does is act as a PVR? Do I really need an external box?

WAIT! Nevermind, I am hi-jacking this thread. I will post over there.

THANKS AGAIN!

Kudos to you.
post #904 of 7498
Wooooo hooooo!

I am very excited! Hopefully not too premature, but before now I couldn't get through more than 5 minutes of a movie without the computer hard freezing. Now I have made it 30 minutes in and everything is perfect.

I had tried EVERYTHING... And trust me I mean everything. Then as a last ditch effort I set win7 appearance to Basic, thus disabling Aero. That fixed it!

Now I can ditch the 4670 finally.

I was only able to obtain 23.976p via the Catalyst 9.11 beta4 drivers, as stated earlier.

I remember some early 5000 series reviews mentioning the "dual acceleration" allowing aero to run while playing HD content (which always worked before anyways, but using a reghack.). This obviously hasn't been debugged yet.

Does anyone know how to have tmt3 automatically disable aero upon launching like it used to do?

post #905 of 7498
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Originally Posted by jrwalte View Post

Tomshardware didn't just create its own drivers in order to get it working with PowerDVD9 - Cyberlink provided the drivers to them. Obviously Cyberlink has the driver and is working on it.

And if you look at the link from jgillispie, it was officially announced on the USS Hornet in a press release. And Tomshardware spoke directly to Cyberlink and got beta drivers from them to confirm it does work.

It's a minor part of what the 5000 series is about and that's probably why it is hard to find any press release talking about it.

It's not a minor part on the Cyberlink side. That's why I ask.

You guys are waiting for a PDVD9 patch to get bitstreaming with these cards, but as of today, there's nothing in the Cyberlink site to even show that that's coming soon. Being bitstreaming with ATI it should be big, big news . And it will be for sure.

I mean, it'd be more business to them to make a BIG announcement with a new version - PDVD10 of course - so to get "more cash" from upgrades. So those considering this card for bitstreaming obviously better hold off for a while to see what's coming.

If they finally release a PDVD9 patch for bitstreaming soon ... excellent! But if not, ...

I don't like what I see, even from the ATI side ...
post #906 of 7498
I somewhat agree, Tulli, but, you have to know as well as I do that in a few months these initial growing pains will be a distant memory. Being on the bleeding edge always makes one bleed.
post #907 of 7498
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Being on the bleeding edge always makes one bleed.

Beautiful line, Samuri! Thanks.
post #908 of 7498
Well, it's almost Halloween, so, you know But there is some truth to that. Look at the Xonar. Look at the Auzentech. Out of the gate, neither was perfect. Now, the Xonar is best solution for bitstreaming on the PC. In a few months, it may be ATI's turn.
post #909 of 7498
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This is so crazy how much performace these cards get. To think that the $130 5750 can hang with and in many cases beat the moster of a card that was the 8800GTX back in 2006.

Yay for technology and competition.
post #911 of 7498
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Originally Posted by soulrider4ever View Post

Yay for technology and competition.

+1. Pity that Nvidia can't counteract, at least for a while. This has been a serious blow - hope it's not fatal - to Nvidia.
post #912 of 7498
They always go back and forth on who has the most powerful. Nothing is different in that respect with the 5000 series in my opinion. Now on the HTPC market, Nvidia is already behind with not as good HDMI audio support as ATI, but now if Nvidia doesn't add TrueHD/DTS-MA bitstreaming, their is no reason to pick NVidia over ATI.
post #913 of 7498
Well, according to this Nvidia stopped production of GT200b based products (GTX 260 all the way up to the GTX 285). That´s pretty much critical, IMO. They really can´t compete with ATI right now.
post #914 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, according to this Nvidia stopped production of GT200b based products (GTX 260 all the way up to the GTX 285). That´s pretty much critical, IMO. They really can´t compete with ATI right now.

And Fermi is supposed to run as hot as a reactor too. Not a good sign for HTPC use. We're probably 9 months away from a competitive chip from them.
post #915 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, according to this Nvidia stopped production of GT200b based products (GTX 260 all the way up to the GTX 285). That´s pretty much critical, IMO. They really can´t compete with ATI right now.

That's surprising. However, browsing on Newegg shows fewer and fewer GTX 200 series cards in stock. Though I haven't gone out of my way looking for news/rumors, I haven't read anything about Nvidia supporting DTS-HDMA/TrueHD bitstreaming in upcoming products.

Competition and choice is good, and it will drive some hardware/software guys to make a higher quality product.

I'm still hoping that I'll be able to use my 5770 to bitstream HD audio with TMT3, even though there hasn't been any official announcement or even rumor.
post #916 of 7498
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Originally Posted by trailergod View Post

well just to give u an idea what i get with the new ATI 5750 .. my receiver is a DENON 2809..

HTPC win7 ATI 5750 - HDMI to DENON 2809 -HDMI to Sanyo z3000..

still no BITSTREAMING !!!! cause POWERDVD still did not release the patch !!!! or i just cant find it...

Hi i just have the same config has you

HTPC WIN7 ATI 5770 - HDMI to AVR-355 - HDMI to Sanyo Z3000 .
post #917 of 7498
Hey guys is anyone monitoring the cards' power management? I've been having trouble with Win 7 x64 with several drivers now including 9.8, 9.9 and 9.10 and a 4670. IIRC it worked flawlessly on Vista 32. The 4670 has 3 clocks speeds for the GPU (165, 300 and 750) and 2 for the memory (250 and 873 MHz).

Monitoring both with RivaTuner and in CCC on the ATI Overdrive tab (OD disabled) the card is usually at 300/873 at idle, and GPU is being used a bit between 5 and 10%. When I open a video on MPC-HC it goes up to 750/873, which is expected, and when I close it goes down to 165/250 and about 0% usage. All good, until I open an Explorer window, where it goes back to its 300/873 state.

Right now after a while of being turned on (just woke from sleep) the clocks are maxed out and I only have a Firefox window typing this besides Riva Tuner's window. GPU usage is aboug 1.8% and the clocks don't go to "rest". Will restart, but wonder if everyone is getting the power savings these cards are supposed to be so good at.

EDIT:
Whoa something strange just happened. Rebooted and somehow the bluetooth device didn't get loaded, and everything was OK at 165/250 at idle. As soon as I unplugged and plugged the BT USB device, it went back up to idling at 300/873. I'm gonna be testing bluetooth now.
post #918 of 7498
Quick update. This is what it's looking at right now with everything disabled in the Visual Effects tab in the "performance" options in System properties. This is just after a reboot and me typing this on FF. This is Windows 7 RC1 (7100) x64, so Aero and every visual enhancement is disabled as you can see.

Clearly something is using my GPU and preventing it to go idle. Anyone know any monitoring tools that will tell you which process is using the GPU?

post #919 of 7498
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

And Fermi is supposed to run as hot as a reactor too.

Ha ha ha..had a bit of a chuckle at that.
post #920 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Quick update. This is what it's looking at right now with everything disabled in the Visual Effects tab in the "performance" options in System properties. This is just after a reboot and me typing this on FF. This is Windows 7 RC1 (7100) x64, so Aero and every visual enhancement is disabled as you can see.

Clearly something is using my GPU and preventing it to go idle. Anyone know any monitoring tools that will tell you which process is using the GPU?


Maybe it's the HW monitor itself, the resource monitor in W7 64 is always full of activity. Maybe you can pin it down from there. I'm using OEM 64 full version.
post #921 of 7498
I don't think the monitor would use 10% of the GPU even if it's running at 300 MHz. Besides, there are times where the monitor is running and it's idling correctly at 165/250, like when I close MPC-HC after playing a video (tried HD videos mostly). But then I open Windows Explorer and it goes back to "idling" at 300/873 and around 10% GPU even after I close Explorer and leave the PC idling (sleep and monitor off disabled) even for hours.

This is after I close the video (right when it dips from 750 core clock and 873 mem clock to 165/250):





This is after I opened Explorer and browsed a couple other folders and then immediately closed it. Every grid line is 10 seconds:
post #922 of 7498
Have you tried "End Task"ing Explorer from the Task Manager then re-opening it with the Run command [File > New Task (Run...)] within Task Manager? I'm thinking Explorer is doing something in the background after you close the window and maybe ending the program will free it up. I don't recommend doing it all the time, just to see if I'm right. If it's Explorer there's little you can do about it and you probably shouldn't try. Chances are it's harmless anyway (other than using more resources) and might stop eventually. Maybe it's got something to do with indexing.
post #923 of 7498
Yeah, I'm not having any troubles per se, but one of the things I like about these cards, even the 4000 series, is how efficient they are. I'll try resetting explorer see what happens, but actually if I open MPC-HC and play an HD video and close it it gets "fixed" and idles again at 165/250. Normally, even after a restart, it is doing 300/873.
post #924 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Yeah, I'm not having any troubles per se, but one of the things I like about these cards, even the 4000 series, is how efficient they are. I'll try resetting explorer see what happens, but actually if I open MPC-HC and play an HD video and close it it gets "fixed" and idles again at 165/250. Normally, even after a restart, it is doing 300/873.

sounds like a driver bug.
post #925 of 7498
Yeah, but I'm getting it with 9.7 all the way to 9.11 beta. Is power management working OK with you guys who have 4000 and 5000 series?
post #926 of 7498
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Yeah, but I'm getting it with 9.7 all the way to 9.11 beta. Is power management working OK with you guys who have 4000 and 5000 series?

WIN 7 - 32 - ASUS ATI HD4670 - CAT.9.9 - no problems here.
Core clock = 165 MHz
Memory clock = 249.75 MHz
Core temp = 45 C (No Fan)

All these with Foobar + spectrum visualisations and Internet Explorer on background. Hope this helps.

post #927 of 7498
The optimism in this thread is amazing to me. I've been waiting for PDVD to deliver a reliable product for playing HD-Disks for 3 years, frankly I've given up.


Mike
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Originally Posted by MikeEby View Post

The optimism in this thread is amazing to me. I've been waiting for PDVD to deliver a reliable product for playing HD-Disks for 3 years, frankly I've given up.


Mike

That's why I'm using Arcsoft TMT3. A good, clean & simple interface. It works well. Sometimes I wish they'd be a little faster with patches due to disc incompatibilities, but overall I'm much happier with it than PDVD. Hopefully it isn't a pipe dream to hope that TMT will eventually be able to bitstream to the 5000 series.
post #929 of 7498
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Originally Posted by MikeEby View Post

The optimism in this thread is amazing to me. I've been waiting for PDVD to deliver a reliable product for playing HD-Disks for 3 years, frankly I've given up.


Mike

+1. They lost me too as a customer, so unless some major changes/redesign take place with the new version that really prove it to be a reliable product I won't touch PDVD ever again. AFAIC if it's a commercial player it has to be TMT.
post #930 of 7498
same here.... still wondering... wheres the patch they gave the reviewers....
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