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post #241 of 605
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

My philosophy is this:

If it looked that way originally, and that's what people saw on a big 50' screen, then why change it?

I agree with this. Leave the film alone.

However, to play devil's advocate, I will say that an perfect transfer from OCN to Blu-ray probably looks better (sharpness, contrast, color, etc.) than most theatrical presentations. If you take into account issues with projector focus, print wear, and everything else that goes wrong when 14 year olds are running your average movie theater. Blu-ray has revealed many things in films that have otherwise gone unnoticed, as websites like http://www.moviemistakes.com/ have revealed over the years.

OK, I'm done.
post #242 of 605
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

Blu-ray has revealed many things in films that have otherwise gone unnoticed, as websites like http://www.moviemistakes.com/ have revealed over the years.

Yes, it's not as black-and-white as "If that's the way it is on the negative..."

Especially of note in the realm of visual effects, there are many, many techniques that have been executed over the years in the specific knowledge of the degree to which what was being exposed on the negative would not be visible by the time it was reproduced down to a theatrical print.
post #243 of 605
I think the most important thing is that you dont destroy the pacing of the movie if you correct a flaw. Leave the cut alone, remove the glitch and dont tell anyone.

As soon as you extend scenes, change angle etc you risk distract the viewer.
post #244 of 605
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

Yes, it's not as black-and-white as "If that's the way it is on the negative..."

Especially of note in the realm of visual effects, there are many, many techniques that have been executed over the years in the specific knowledge of the degree to which what was being exposed on the negative would not be visible by the time it was reproduced down to a theatrical print.

Bingo. I don't want this stuff fixed for the sake of it, instead it's because certain VFX methods can't hide behind several print generations any more. If a certain shot can be given a helping hand to look a bit better in the digital age without actually augmenting it, then I say go for it.
post #245 of 605
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

However, to play devil's advocate, I will say that an perfect transfer from OCN to Blu-ray probably looks better (sharpness, contrast, color, etc.) than most theatrical presentations. If you take into account issues with projector focus, print wear, and everything else that goes wrong when 14 year olds are running your average movie theater. Blu-ray has revealed many things in films that have otherwise gone unnoticed, as websites like http://www.moviemistakes.com/ have revealed over the years.

You are using a site that uses DVDs not blu-rays as proof?. They mostly go on about continuity errors and film crew sightings, guess you want continuity breaking cigeratte placements fixed digitally.

Benny Hill was making spoofs of film flaws back in the 60's but since you say that is not possible for him to have seen them I guess he went into a time machine to our present age so he can get material and I guess newspaper, book & magazine film reviewers used this time machine too since they wrote about them. Before the home video age there were plenty of satires of vfx and yes including about seeing wires like SCTV did.
post #246 of 605
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

Benny Hill was making spoofs of film flaws back in the 60's but since you say that is not possible for him to have seen them



Did he say that film flaws were never visible before the Blu-ray era?

No.

He said that there are more film flaws visible in the Blu-ray era.
post #247 of 605
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

You are using a site that uses DVDs not blu-rays as proof?. They mostly go on about continuity errors and film crew sightings, guess you want continuity breaking cigeratte placements fixed digitally.

Benny Hill was making spoofs of film flaws back in the 60's but since you say that is not possible for him to have seen them I guess he went into a time machine to our present age so he can get material and I guess newspaper, book & magazine film reviewers used this time machine too since they wrote about them. Before the home video age there were plenty of satires of vfx and yes including about seeing wires like SCTV did.

This topic has come up recently at another forum.

Firstly, Robert Harris has said that when restoring The Godfather Part II there was a scene where wires were visible on the scan of the OCN which were not visible on theatrical prints in the '70s, so they removed them. To quote him directly:

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Going back to an original element is sometimes problematic. And you deal with it, shot by shot, and frame by frame.

In GF2, during the murder of Fanucci, in a 4k scan of the camera original, tiny wires attached to squibs in the actor's face became visible. These had to be digitally removed. They were not visible in final prints.

Secondly, digital changes were made on the Blu-ray Disc release of A Night to Remember for similar reasons.

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Brown notes: Some of the Titanic model shots, whilst looking okay on the fine-grain, were seen for the first time warts and all' on the scans from the negative. We were seeing flags and all sorts of things which were all but invisible on the fine-grain due to the much higher contrast, and the fact that the film had only ever been seen previously three generations of laboratory printing further away from the negative than we were seeing for the first time on the five-metre screen at 142.

On a few of these problem' shots I was able to draw Garbage Mattes on Resolve and track the film weave with fills and blurs to disguise the bits and pieces that weren't welcome in the final film-out. I felt comfortable in doing this as they were rendered less visible to the original viewing audience due to printing limitations. So, I had to replicate this in a sympathetic way without improvements' that were never there previously.

Finally, when An American Werewolf in London appeared on Blu-ray Disc John Landis said some small details such as the writing on the bottles behind the bar were visible on the Blu-ray Disc which had not been evident on original screenings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lWNSDsTZg

In short, there's plenty of evidence that a good Blu-ray Disc might contain information the director did not intend the audience to see, unless it is digitally removed.

Steve W
post #248 of 605
Steve, I wish Landau would have told Universal to lay off the fricken' edge enhancement on An American Werewolf in London BD.
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post #250 of 605
Are we lOOking at any "re-"mastering (new transfers) w/any or all of the titles?!?!
post #251 of 605
Some information about the German disc that is released October 5th:
It will feature the new transfer and the revised sound effects from the year 2000 because the producers think they "fit better" eek.gif

Of course that doesn't mean a US or UK version doesn't include the original sound mix as an option but since it's said to be an artistic choice I don't think it's gonna happen...

Source: http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-news/filme/36345-weitere-informationen-zur-terminator-blu-ray-disc-am-0510-im-steelbook
post #252 of 605
Boo-urns
post #253 of 605
It's not looking good for the UK disc, to be honest, seeing as MGM/Fox leave off original tracks as standard anyway. I'll still keep my pre-order just for the steelbook packaging, but I won't touch the disc with a bargepole if the mono is indeed missing.

Looks like the US version is our only hope.
post #254 of 605
Looks like a LD audio remux is in order!
post #255 of 605
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

It's not looking good for the UK disc, to be honest, seeing as MGM/Fox leave off original tracks as standard anyway. I'll still keep my pre-order just for the steelbook packaging, but I won't touch the disc with a bargepole if the mono is indeed missing.
Looks like the US version is our only hope.
Actually Fox/MGM are THE best at including original stereo/quad/other mixes on their discs of the big studios (altho they are only 224k or 448k)
post #256 of 605
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Actually Fox/MGM are THE best at including original stereo/quad/other mixes on their discs of the big studios (altho they are only 224k or 448k)

Sorry, I should've made it clear that for Euro discs those tracks get junked automatically to make way for alternate language tracks, unless the disc is an exact clone of the US version (like the Alien movies). I know that they're top-notch when it comes to providing original audio on North American platters.
post #257 of 605
But they are Region free unlike the US release which are mostly Region locked
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post #259 of 605
Was that trailer ripped from a VHS? Where did you get that from?

Color me excited if this is legit.
post #260 of 605
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

Was that trailer ripped from a VHS? Where did you get that from?
Color me excited if this is legit.

It's from the Amazon.co.uk homepage.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/mpd/permalink/m2A2GREX7GLT97/ref=ent_fb_link
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003BNY6YY
post #261 of 605
Looks... tealy.
post #262 of 605
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Originally Posted by paku View Post

Looks... tealy.

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post #263 of 605
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Originally Posted by paku View Post

Looks... tealy.
Didn't you hear about the new federal law that requires all new transfers to be as tealy as possible?

Cameron sure as hell did
post #264 of 605
"Cameron's law"?
Tealtanic looks nice and "modern" also.
post #265 of 605
"Finally coming to blu-ray"?

"Digitally Remastered" Ugh, they better not be tweaking the old master.

"The Teal knows no mercy"
post #266 of 605
Skywalker sound did the 5.1 mix for The Terminator's Blu-Ray. Gary Rydstrom was directly responsible. It would be beneficial to send him and his co-workers a request to at the very least fix the 5.1 mix and add the original missing mono elements, i.e. Fiedel's score, Schwarzenegger's gun, fix the swapped shotgun/rifle, etc.

Here are the contacts:

grydstrom@skysound.com
cperry@skysound.com
pbenson@skysound.com
jlowden@skysound.com
rthom@skysound.com
smorris@skysound.com
info@skysound.com

Fox UK contact:

http://www.fox.co.uk/contact

Fox Connect contact:

foxconnect@orderassistance.com

MGM contact:

clipstill@mgm.com

James Cameron's contact email at Cameron Pace Group:

info@cameronpace.com

Lightstorm Entertainment did the actual remaster:

Address: 919 Santa Monica Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90401
Phone: 310-656-6100
Fax: 310-656-6102

Digital Domain:

300 Rose Avenue,
Venice, CA 90291
T: 310.314.2800 | F: 310.664.2888

Let's all give it a shot! Maybe they can at least fix the 5.1 mix before release
post #267 of 605
You know, I guess I'm of the opinion that if they're going to spend time and money on a soundtrack overhaul and remix, they should just go all-out. I mean, keep the dialog stems and original music score, obviously, but use modern techniques and matching sound effects to make a balls-out, Oscar-worthy caliber 8 channel mix. Just as long as the original track is also available in lossless. Most of the time they just steer the original mono mix around a little bit, put a bit more bass punch in, and call it a day.

While they're fixing these issues, they might as well completely re-do both T1 and T2's soundtracks with TLC into really awesome 8 channel mixes and really make them shine. My biggest pet peeve is that Arnold's pistol sound effect sounds like a little toy squeak gun. Give it some power and heft, for godsake! He's a killer cyborg!
post #268 of 605
This is an extremely important person to contact. If anyone can dig up his information, it would help tremendously. He is 100% responsible for what goes on to the Blu-Ray disc (i.e. mono track). He calls the shots on the final Blu-Ray release.

Geoff Burdick
Vice President Production Service

Lightstorm Entertainment
919 Santa Monica Blvd
Santa Monica, California 90401
United States

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/geoff-burdick/8/592/a2a

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=630490753

This would be THE person to contact!!!!!!!

Come on Terminator fans, let's get this done!
Edited by NagysAudio - 8/30/12 at 10:23pm
post #269 of 605
Meh, if it's crap I won't buy it, plus its a bit late now.
post #270 of 605
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

"Cameron's law"?
Tealtanic looks nice and "modern" also.

Did you check all the screencaps over at caps-a-holic? The old dvd was too reddish and the contrasts were way too strong. I do think the new color balance and levels look more natural.
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