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post #361 of 605
9/25/12 at 3:33am
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Innerspace is out in 6 days?

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post #362 of 605
9/25/12 at 7:11am
The most anticipated Blu-ray of all time has already started shipping!!! This is insane!!!!!
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post #363 of 605
9/25/12 at 9:16am
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Aliens had a breathtaking new 4K scan. T2 used an old DVD transfer. Cameron hasn't gotten around to that one yet.
Anyways... 6 days and counting, until the most anticipated Blu-ray release of all time!

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The most anticipated Blu-ray of all time has already started shipping!!! This is insane!!!!!

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Huh?????

Sweet!!
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post #364 of 605
9/25/12 at 9:55am
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The most anticipated Blu-ray of all time has already started shipping!!! This is insane!!!!!

Are you actually some sort of hyperbole generating bot?
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post #365 of 605
9/25/12 at 11:53am
For the doubters:

Fox were asked about this release in regards to whether it was from a new scan, here's Fox's response
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Hi

Yes, it is a full remaster (new scan) that James Cameron reviewed and approved.

From a member on a UK based forum.

Enjoy.
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post #366 of 605
9/25/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by supersonic395 View Post

For the doubters:
Fox were asked about this release in regards to whether it was from a new scan, here's Fox's response
From a member on a UK based forum.
Enjoy.
Hmmmmm....need some screenshots.wink.gif
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post #367 of 605
9/25/12 at 12:39pm
Don't worry I'm sure we'll get some by Friday/Saturday.
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post #368 of 605
9/25/12 at 1:12pm
It's obvious I'm firmly in the minority on this one, but I don't find anything inherently objectionable in the new color timing (BIG assumption that the YouTube video colors are accurate to the source). I dislike "tealification" when it results in ridiculous artifacts like orange faces, and I'm not a fan of heavy handed revisionist color timing for catalog titles. But it seems to me that in most of the comparisons here, at least, the new timing reflect a more realistic look befitting the movie. I did see The Terminator during its initial run in theaters, but of course I couldn't possibly tell you what's closer to theatrical based on that. Methinks perhaps you guys are mistaking previous DVD/LaserDisc/Blu-ray editions sourced from NTSC-era masters as the gospel for color accuracy, when NTSC=Never The Same Color Twice. How soon we forget the bad ol' days of virtually non-adjustable 27" tube TVs. Who knows what was done to those masters to make them look better on the equipment of the day?

Some specific examples I noticed:

Compare any of these campfire pictures: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=campfire
To this:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146856

And if you're of northern European stock, just hold your hand up to the monitor and you'll see which of these version has better flesh tones (or compare with some pictures of white dudes: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=white+dudes):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146860
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146852

Now the potential black crush is a concern to me, but at the very least I'm keeping an open mind about this version until I see some true Blu-ray screen shots, or better yet see it in motion as part of a U.S. T1/T2 special Cameron remastered edition combo pack.

Let the "flames" continue as you wish.
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post #369 of 605
9/25/12 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Jamie E View Post

It's obvious I'm firmly in the minority on this one, but I don't find anything inherently objectionable in the new color timing (BIG assumption that the YouTube video colors are accurate to the source). I dislike "tealification" when it results in ridiculous artifacts like orange faces, and I'm not a fan of heavy handed revisionist color timing for catalog titles. But it seems to me that in most of the comparisons here, at least, the new timing reflect a more realistic look befitting the movie. I did see The Terminator during its initial run in theaters, but of course I couldn't possibly tell you what's closer to theatrical based on that. Methinks perhaps you guys are mistaking previous DVD/LaserDisc/Blu-ray editions sourced from NTSC-era masters as the gospel for color accuracy, when NTSC=Never The Same Color Twice. How soon we forget the bad ol' days of virtually non-adjustable 27" tube TVs. Who knows what was done to those masters to make them look better on the equipment of the day?
A rational POV is not appreciated on this forum....biggrin.gif

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Some specific examples I noticed:
Compare any of these campfire pictures: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=campfire
To this:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146856
And if you're of northern European stock, just hold your hand up to the monitor and you'll see which of these version has better flesh tones (or compare with some pictures of white dudes: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=campfire#q=white+dudes):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146860
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146852
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Those shots are very compelling.
As I noticed before, definitely greater detail.
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post #370 of 605
9/25/12 at 1:41pm
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Hmmmmm....need some screenshots.wink.gif

give me 2-3 days
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post #371 of 605
9/25/12 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

And this was personally supervised by James Cameron, frame by frame most likely. He's a perfectionists. Has he had a bad release yet on Blu?

Uumm, let me think... oh yeah the 2006 bd... what was it's name?.... uummm, oh yeah, Terminator!
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The most anticipated Blu-ray of all time has already started shipping!!! This is insane!!!!!

The most anticipated 3rd or 4th re-issued Blu-ray of all time.
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post #372 of 605
9/25/12 at 4:40pm
Yeah, good point Cameron personally signed off on the first Blu-ray as well! Spanner, meet works
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post #373 of 605
9/25/12 at 7:03pm
Call me a hypocrite. I'm okay with Aliens. I'm not so okay with what I'm seeing out of Terminator. Patiently awaiting screen caps from the BD. I still haven't picked up this title on the format and I'm really unsure about which version I want.
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post #374 of 605
9/25/12 at 7:25pm
Aliens has its moments but it's not overly teal for the most part.
Hopefully the rather overbearing teal here is just youtube trailer silliness.
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post #375 of 605
9/25/12 at 8:18pm
I will kill for screens. I'm so excited!!! Aliens, Titanic, now Terminator. James Cameron is on a roll imo. Hopefully we get to see True Lies on blu sometime soon. And hopefully Terminator 2 doesn't get re color graded. Perfect (famous) blues in T2. T1? Not so much, so I'm digging the new color grade on T1.
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post #376 of 605
9/26/12 at 5:35am
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Originally Posted by Jamie E View Post

Methinks perhaps you guys are mistaking previous DVD/LaserDisc/Blu-ray editions sourced from NTSC-era masters as the gospel for color accuracy, when NTSC=Never The Same Color Twice.

IIRC, that famous acronym was only applicable to NTSC broadcasts, because the carriers could drift end-to-end resulting in the effects of which you speak: not such a problem with digital files.
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post #377 of 605
9/26/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by Jamie E View Post

It's obvious I'm firmly in the minority on this one, but I don't find anything inherently objectionable in the new color timing (BIG assumption that the YouTube video colors are accurate to the source). I dislike "tealification" when it results in ridiculous artifacts like orange faces, and I'm not a fan of heavy handed revisionist color timing for catalog titles. But it seems to me that in most of the comparisons here, at least, the new timing reflect a more realistic look befitting the movie. I did see The Terminator during its initial run in theaters, but of course I couldn't possibly tell you what's closer to theatrical based on that. Methinks perhaps you guys are mistaking previous DVD/LaserDisc/Blu-ray editions sourced from NTSC-era masters as the gospel for color accuracy, when NTSC=Never The Same Color Twice. How soon we forget the bad ol' days of virtually non-adjustable 27" tube TVs. Who knows what was done to those masters to make them look better on the equipment of the day?
Some specific examples I noticed:
Compare any of these campfire pictures: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=campfire
To this:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146856
And if you're of northern European stock, just hold your hand up to the monitor and you'll see which of these version has better flesh tones (or compare with some pictures of white dudes: http://image.qrobe.it/images/?q=white+dudes):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146860
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146852
Now the potential black crush is a concern to me, but at the very least I'm keeping an open mind about this version until I see some true Blu-ray screen shots, or better yet see it in motion as part of a U.S. T1/T2 special Cameron remastered edition combo pack.
Let the "flames" continue as you wish.

NTSCT? You mean Never Twice Same Colour?

And the first HD master was scanned from film
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post #378 of 605
9/26/12 at 11:56am
Only two more days left until we'll start hearing first impressions! Of a restoration which will put Lawrence of Arabia to shame. Is everyone excited?
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post #379 of 605
9/26/12 at 12:45pm
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Only two more days left until we'll start hearing first impressions! Of a restoration which will put Lawrence of Arabia to shame. Is everyone excited?


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post #380 of 605
9/26/12 at 12:54pm
You'll see. Cameron has spent 5+ years restoring The Terminator. This was a major undertaking by Lowry and Lightstorm. A meticulous frame by frame cleaning from a 4K scan.
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post #381 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:04pm
Cameron didn't spend five years anywhere near this transfer, he signed off that's it.
He signed off on the last one too in case you forgot.
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post #382 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:09pm
The 4K is awesome, but what I think is even greater about this release, is that it finally has the correct colour timing and colour grade, just like how I saw and remember it in the cinemas:cool:
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post #383 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:19pm
Wrong again. Lightstorm (Cameron's very own company) has been restoring The Terminator from Lowry's 4K scan since at the very latest, 2008. Cameron was there every step of the way. The man is a perfectionist. Have you seen how pristine the opticals now look in the trailer? Hundreds of thousands of pieces of dirt, specs, dust, hair, damage, etc. was removed. Beautiful new color grading was supervised by Cameron. It will now look like Aliens, Avatar, and Titanic, three of the very best reference Blu-rays to ever be released.

Judging by other restorations supervised by Cameron, The Terminator should have a very consistent degrain/regrain look throughout. I'm certain it will also have digital alterations, i.e. the cable towing the model truck will most certainly be removed, etc.

And finally, after spending so much time, Cameron no doubt has improved the 5.1 mix. Lightstorm/Skywalker Sound will most certainly have restored the missing layers of Fidel's score and fixed the switched shotgun/rifle sound effects. Now the re-recorded sound effects will most probably remain.

This is a major restoration. The movie will look better than it did in 1984, no doubt.

P.S. Who cares about any previous, archaic, 12 year old, DVD transfer, scanned from who knows where?
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post #384 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:24pm
Every step of the way? Even at the bottom of the ocean and while filming avatar? I am done replying to you as it is just a total waste of time.
You are basing the Remix on blind faith also lol
And people care about the old master as it had the exact same attention you just listed, so your totally hypercritical as well!
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post #385 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:29pm
Correct color timing/grading? In relation to what?

Terminator never looked like what is seen in that YT clip. Whether it looks great overall will be determined by watching it in context; permitting ones perception to become accustomed to the new grading.

I hope that NagysAudio is being facetious in the hyperbole. Better than the LOA restoration? It's a false equivalency to compare the two but in spite that I doubt T1 had to go through the same extent of restoration as LOA both in the analog and digital realms.

In regards to the audio I wonder if JC actually got around to doing a new mix. In the Aliens commentary he mentions that Terminator was a rushed and inexperienced mix, whereas with Aliens he had more time and experience to create a rich mix.

Any solid word when the US may get to see this new transfer?
Which UK forum had a response from Fox confirming the transfer?

Best Regards
KvE
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post #386 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:30pm
I can't tell if he's serious or of he's trolling us.
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post #387 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:33pm
Some glorious and mind numbing mix of both
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post #388 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:34pm
What other confirmation do you guys need? The trailer is out and blatantly shows a brand new 4K scan. Complete with different framing, etc.

As for being serious, of course I am! Are you guys telling me that Cameron will not address some of these issues I've mentioned after working on something for 4-5 years? The biggest perfectionist on the planet?

The 4K scan will be breathtaking and pristine. The 5.1 mix will be improved. I'd bet on it.
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post #389 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:41pm
It really doesn't matter what anyone says at this point. When the disc is released, we'll all find out for sure.
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post #390 of 605
9/26/12 at 1:48pm
I am not doubting that it is a new scan and new timing but due to the lack of any official word to the contrary does raise speculation where it is coming from.
What is coming out in EU may indeed be the remaster fans have been waiting for, yet unlike JC's other BR releases there has not been much mention of his involvement with this release.

There was lots of information about his supervision that long proceeded the release of Aliens and Titanic. The only thing I can find that really mentions the new scan and work being done on T1 was a comment by Van Ling at HTF.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/274676/terminator-1-2/660#post_3967692

Best Regards
KvE
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