The Terminator (1984) - 4 DVDs vs Blu-ray comparison PIX - Page 3

Have you gone to the store and looked at the lenticular version without the slipcover?

Without the Slipcover the case says Sony. Seriously. The slip is the only difference.

what a gimmick lol. why did they do that

They just added a slipcover to make it stand out on shelves and get some of the Terminator: Salvation attention back during the summer. It's not a new edition of the film.

Little if any improvement over DVD and no mono audio. Wait for the remaster.

I never would have thought the (original) mono audio soundtrack on the LD would still be in demand. I never liked the remastered 5.1 version on the original DVD (since sold).

These are all the exact same disc. MGM switched distributors from Sony to Fox. Fox reissued the disc in new packaging. Otherwise, it's identical.

From Van Ling:

"I've kind of been put on hold on working on the "Terminator" Blu-ray for over a year now, and as far as I can tell, "Terminator" will [remain] in limbo for the foreseeable future, most likely due to the fact that MGM (which owns the rights to "The Terminator") has been sorting out its financial/corporate issues... as you may know, they have been dealing with bankruptcy and this has affected the James Bond and The Hobbit films as well.
So the future is not set..."


http://www.jamescamerononline.com/fo...p=21955#p21955

Dang. What's funny/sad to me about the Terminator on Blu-ray is that it was the original Terminator LaserDisc that convinced me to get an LD player of my own. I still remember how amazingly colorful and realistic the cop car lights looked when watching my friend's LD compared to my VHS. We still don't have a Terminator Blu-ray worthy of the format, and it seems it may be quite a bit longer until we do.

Now we've come full circle in 20+ years, wanting to get LD-quality original sound mix on a Blu-ray. Just funny.

The Mpeg2 transfer is beautiful- the sound while "Awesome" is not the actual soundtrack.

We don't have LD-quality audio on the Blu; just sadd!

+1

Not wasting my money on this sorry excuse for a Blu-ray. I'll gladly wait for a remaster.

1) THX, though honestly the one prior to that is so close IMO it's negligable.

2) I've never done it myself but I don't see why not.

3) I believe this has been done before. I would be interested in a combination of the two. I own the Blu and the THX LD.


I'll say that the current BD does have better PQ than the MGM DVD, though you probably wouldn't notice it unless you A/B compared them.

Laserdisc video is analog, so it's not something you can "rip". As for the PCM audio, I'm not aware of any way to extract it. I think you'd have to record it in real time, and edit the side break out.

I'll just stick with playing the laserdisc until a proper Blu-ray comes out.

The text is so much clearer on the trailer that it's depressing. The compression is worse, but it was just there as marketing fluff anyway.

"Patching" audio tracks into a ripped BD with freeware isn't too hard. Synching the 44.1kHz PCM track? Now that's some time-consuming tedium.

Honestly, I'm thinking of selling this POS and picking up the DVD at a loss. (I got it in a cheap two-pack with Predator, anyway.) I'd rather have more extras and a compressed mono track than the barely-better transfer the BD has to offer.

Not sure about other programs but TSMuxeR won't accept 44.1khz LPCM tracks, they have to be 48 (or 96 or 192).

If done properly, would resampling a 44.1khz track to 48khz have any negative effects? Would things like Dolby Surround encoding still be intact?

What's wrong with the DD2.0 mono of the DVD that the laserdisc LPCM is required?

The problem with the laserdisc LPCM is that it is encoded as 44.1kHz (same as CD), so conversion would be required for Bluray (I think), meaning possibly some loss or artifacting.

It is possible to record the laserdisc LPCM audio as analogue and digitise it on-the-fly to 48kHz LPCM, but it means that it goes through 2 stages of decoding and encoding before arriving at the digital data and also possibly some loss.

Hopefully one day a decent Bluray will be released with all extras, but it's real disappointing that the studios treat the consumer with such contempt for this franchise so far.

Hasn't Van Ling already confirmed that there's a new Terminator Blu-Ray in the works; that they've had Lowry working on it and that the old mono mix may end up on it?

Well that's utterly disappointing.

Answering my own question here:

At least for me, Dolby Surround is not intact after copying an LD PCM 2.0 track via digital coax and then resampling to 48khz (using Soundforge 6). I got full surround when playing the original LD with Dolby Prologic IIx, but nothing out of the center or surrounds when playing the copied track.

edit: this turned out to be a problem with the firmware of my playback device (the Popcorn Hour A-200) which caused LPCM/FLAC 2.0 tracks in mkv files and ts files to be output as 7.1 with all channels other than L/R silent, rendering my amp unable to properly apply Prologic decoding. So 48kHz PCM from LDs should still have the Prologic information unless there's some other problem I haven't noticed.