The Terminator (1984) - 4 DVDs vs Blu-ray comparison PIX - Page 4

NagysAudio, I might have what you are looking for, but your profile is not accepting PMs.

Neither DVD nor BD spec are designed to handle 44.1khz, so most compliant authoring software chooses to either resample it to 48khz, or reject it outright.

Resampling can screw up the synch, because of the way the samples are read; resampling while keeping the same constant playback rate can cause artifacting, depending on the software you use. It's impossible to create a compliant BDMV folder with the literal LD audio intact, but it should be possible to create a reasonably close 48khz copy. Terminator should be mono, anyhow, so I doubt Dolby Surround encoding will be a factor here.

Yah, the surround part of the discussion lost me.

If they ever succeed in remastering and rereleasing this film on Blu-ray, it better contain the original mono sound in lossess.

There was another film I was thinking of using the LD audio with the BD video besides Terminator.

Yeah, I wasn't specifically referring to Terminator, although I did recently get the THX LD for the purpose of using its audio with the BD.

I'll have to read up on surround encoding software, maybe something like BeSweet could keep or restore the surround encoding. LMK if you have any suggestions, though.

Didn't have any apparent artifacting or synch issues, though (used the highest level of interpolation accuracy in SoundForge, didn't use an anti-aliasing filter since I believe that's only necessary when downsampling), so at least that shouldn't be a problem.

Sonic Foundry's Softencode has an option for Surround encoding - I've never had to use it, though.

I'm not sure if any of the freeware/consumer level encoders allow 2.0 surround matrixing or not, and the "Pro" software out there is not cheap.

Is it true that Cameron is supervising a new HD transfer???

Yes. Done by the folks at Lowry, just like Aliens. Abyss is next.

Really? Dammit.

Based on the info that MGM is in a dire financial situation, I saw this at Wal-Mart the other night for $8, and for $8, I'm willing to bite and take the ever so slight improvement in quality (although it's almost negligible), as well as to fix the stretch that appears on the DVD. I'll hang on to the DVD for now, depending on how butchered the audio track is but, I'm not sorry I spent $8 on this.

I bought my copy on sale at BB for $7.99 a while back. I don't regret it, even if it was a marginal improvement. I hope MGM wins the lottery or something, though. I want to see T1 receive the attention Aliens did!

I don't believe the current BD is that bad. It's not great, but it looks fairly film-like and doesn't have that overly processed look to it that I hate.

Did anyone else get around to copying and re-synching the Laserdisc PCM with the Blu-ray video? I finally got around to doing so myself the other night and watched the results (muxed to mkv, so no need to resample from 44.1kHz to 48kHz but I made a 48kHz copy of the PCM just in case).

In addition to the reel change points (which I was able to pinpoint with the non-THX LD since that used a release print) and the LD side change, there seemed to be a few other points where the audio went out of sync for a few frames, but I think I did a pretty good job. There certainly weren't any points where the audio seemed out of sync (other than bit-part actors who had lines that were obviously dubbed over, but that's a part of the original audio of course).

If they had only included the original audio on the BD, it would be in my collection. It was on the DVD. I don't know what it isn't there on the BD.

Same here, QGJ. I personally think that the PQ is pretty bad, but I'd still own it if the mono track was there. I lasted all of 5 minutes before I took the BD out of my player and listed it on ebay. I despise that 5.1 mix, I really do.

There are about 15 points in the Bluray that have an extra frame or two, compared to the LD, mainly at scene changes: this makes it a little more complex to match the soundtrack.

I didn't actually notice the differences when watching my re-authored disc, only at a few points when playing my re-edited LD audio simultaneously with the BD audio. And even then, it was just a slight occasional echoing.


If you want to preserve the 44.1kHz rate of the LD audio, I believe you have to use mkv. If you resample to 48kHz, then you can re-author as a Blu-ray video (or DVD video if you wanted to re-encode the video) or PS3-compatible format like mp4. (edit: the PS3 can't play files over 4GB unless they're from a BD-R or DVD-R though, but I think there's software like multiAVCHD that lets you get around this).

edit: This is assuming that you rip the LD audio to a PC using a sound card with SPDIF input (I use an M-Audio 2496). If you just use the analog input of a PC or USB recording device or DVD recorder or whatever, then it should be automatically set to 48kHz or allow you to set whatever sampling rate you want.

No. No mkv support on the PS3 whatsoever (last I checked). Other types of files may work.


The PS3 can play mp4 files, but I'm not sure if mp4 supports LPCM. I think you can make a big vob file though. Pretty sure multiAVCHD allows for encoding to a PS3-compatible file on a thumbdrive or external HDD.


Try multiAVCHD.

Jeez! Cameron could easily whip out his check book and pay for the complete restoration and remixes of The Terminator and T2... if he wanted to, that is.

I'm sure he's still a bit miffed that the rights to Terminator were pulled out from under Lightstorm's control by Linda Hamilton.

Though, I'm sure at the time she thought it was ample punishment for his cheating ways. I have read that she now regrets doing that after the fans have had to endure two sh-tty remakes at the hands of complete hacks.

Terminator 5 is supposedly being directed by another low-rent director of one of the Fast and The Furious sequels and has no script. That's just great.

Bashing Fast Five, is like admitting to war crimes.