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My impression on the new projectors

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Well, here are my impressions of the new projectors I saw at CEDIA. For the record, while I like good on / off contrast as much as the next person, I think there is much more to a great picture that just that . And I personally take the numbers given us by the manufacturers for contrast and lumens with a grain of salt. Wait until real reviews done by qualified reviewers you trust come out for real world contrast and lumens. I’m more interested in what I actually see on the screen.

Digital Projection – I liked the picture I saw with the M Vision Cine LED projector. For screens 8’ wide and smaller, it threw a bright enough picture that looked good compared to the I Vision 30 single chip projecting right below it ( which also threw a really nice picture for such a tiny projector ). Of course the Highlite Cine 3 chip DLP projector threw an outstanding ( and bright ) picture that was my favorite at this booth. Perfect for BIG screens. I’ve owned my dVision 1080p for a couple of years and have found Digital Projections products to be built very well.

Samsung / Da-lite – I spent some time watching Joe Kane’s Samsung SPA 900B projector on a 8’ wide Da-lite JKP .9 gain Affinity screen. This combination had really good depth of field, and a sharp, natural looking picture. Not a bright projector, but it does have a refined look to the picture. I’d like to see more varied demo material on this combination.

Sony – boy, does the new VW 85 look good! On my first viewing I wasn’t very impressed as all they showed was animation clips. A second viewing with more real world material left me more impressed with it’s blacks and overall colors and sharpness. It was being projected on a Stewart Firehawk 112” diagonal screen. I thought it looked outstanding, and in the same class as the JVC RS25.

Epson 8500 – this replacement machine for the 6500 looked very good. It was being projected onto a 100” diagonal matt white screen, and looked bright enough on that screen. Blacks looked very good on the test clips of The Dark Knight. The new “ Super Resolution “ mode was an interesting new feature that you may or may not want to use. Fine frame motion feature has apparently been improved over the one found in the 6500. Overall, I thought it threw a very nice picture on a smaller screen. 9500 – this machine also looked pretty good, although the dynamic iris was not engaged during the demo, so it was not possible to judge the black levels fairly. It was being projected on a Da-lite JKP Affinity .9 gain screen which was 101.5” wide. I’d like to see it with the DI operating before making a final opinion on it’s picture.

Cineramax Superkontrast modded Barco projector – Holy Mother Of God, this projector was very bright ( good for big screens ) and had incredible depth of field. A really nice picture. I’d love to see more demo material on this machine. It was being shown on a SMX acoustically transparent screen – a great screen !!

SIM2 – watched the Lumis Host on a JKP Affinity screen – a great combo. The Lumis throws an outstanding picture, as I should know since I own one. I liked the SIM2 Mico 50 LED projector. It was being shown on a JKP .9 gain Affinity screen that was 8’ wide. I thought it looked very good, pretty much like any other good single chip DLP projector, but without the color wheel. None of the LED projectors I saw are super bright though – I’d stick to 8’ wide screens max personally. The Krell Audio components in the SIM demo sounded great too.

JVC has a great line up of new projectors. I can’t honestly say how they compare to last years RS10 & 20, since one would really need to do a side by side comparison. I can say the RS15 threw a really nice picture on a 10’ wide 1.3 gain screen. And the addition of the “ Clear Motion “ feature is nice, if you like it. The RS25 looked outstanding on a 120” wide 1.3 gain screen – as anyone around here would expect. The RS35 was also had an excellent looking picture – they had it projecting on a 12’ wide 1.3 gain screen. I’d have to say that these three projectors are pretty hard to beat for the money.
The JVC RS 4000 4K projector has to be one of the most amazing projectors I have ever seen. Using upconverted Blu Ray’s as a source, the picture was super bright on an enormous screen. I forgot to ask how big the image was ( I was busy picking my jaw up off the floor ) – perhaps 18’ – 20’ wide? I’d need a bigger house for this screen / projector combo. I could barely see any pixels with my face at the screen. If you have 175K for a projector, give this one a look !!!

Optoma – the new 8600 projector looked pretty good on a 106” diagonal Black Diamond .8 gain screen. Too bad they could not have had a dark room for a more critical assessment of it’s picture. Some of you might want to explore this projector more under better viewing conditions.

Projection Design – the new Avielo Kroma LED projector was my favorite of the new LED projectors I saw. It too was being shown on an 8’ wide Da-lite JKP .9 gain Affinity screen. On that screen, it was plenty bright, had very natural looking colors, and threw a very nice picture. For smaller screens, it would be perfect. I thought it looked great with the material I saw. The Helios 3 chip DLP unit was absolutely stunning looking on a 11’ wide Da-lite JKP .9 gain Affinity screen. Talk about a bright, sharp picture!! 3 chip DLP is still hard to beat for big screens .

Mitsubishi – the HC 7000 LCD projector was being shown on a Draper Onyx 106” diagonal screen. It had a nice picture with good color. If you’re an LCD fan, I’d check it out. The HC 6800 LCD projector was being shown on a 96” diagonal Draper Onyx screen. It threw a decent picture on that sized screen. Brighter and punchier picture wise was the HC 3800 DLP projector. On the same sized 96” diagonal Draper Onyx screen it looked really good and bright.

Other stuff –
Blue Ocean rear projection screens – if you have an application to use this with a projector for a “ giant plasma “ like screen, it would be killer !! Ambient light is no problem with this screen. Great stuff !!

Panamorph – the UH480 they had at the show in combination with the new RS25 threw a killer picture. It’s a great combination. I could not see any distortion or picture problems. Nice !!

That’s about it. In my opinion, the LED projectors all looked really good. Whether they measure up performance wise to projectors like the RS25 picture wise, or are worth the money, that's a different question I can't answer without more demo time with these machines. They sure looked as good to me as many other single chip DLP projectors have looked in the past. It will be interesting to see what comes next regarding LED illumination !!
post #2 of 24
Sounds like it was a good show, thanks for posting that. Did Sharp by chance have a booth this year? Haven't heard anything at all about them so I'm guessing not.
post #3 of 24
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Sharp did not have any projectors at the show. And unfortunately Panasonic's projectors were being shown off site at the Hilton Hotel, and I did not have time to get over there.
post #4 of 24
Thank you very much for that Craig.

BTW, do you know if the screen used for the JVC projectors was the Stewart Studiotek 130 (1.3 gain)?

That's the screen I'm going to use for my RS20.
post #5 of 24
Thanks for the impressions. Based on what you saw, is the 8500 worth waiting for over the 6500?
post #6 of 24
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Thank you very much for that Craig.

BTW, do you know if the screen used for the JVC projectors was the Stewart Studiotek 130 (1.3 gain)?

That's the screen I'm going to use for my RS20.
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The JVC reps did not say specifically ( I always try and find out what screen I'm watching on as it does make a difference ). Rich, I don't think you can go wrong with a Stewart Studiotek 130 screen though.

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Thanks for the impressions. Based on what you saw, is the 8500 worth waiting for over the 6500?

If you've waited this long, if it were me, I'd wait and get the 8500.
post #7 of 24
great info. I wish I had been able to go to the show this year.
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Rich, I don't think you can go wrong with a Stewart Studiotek 130 screen though.

Definitely cant go wrong with this screen assuming your have the right enviroment

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If you've waited this long, if it were me, I'd wait and get the 8500.

At this point, I will definitely buy the 8500 even if a 6500 was available. However, if the thought is to upgrade, we are all going to have to see how they compare. I hear however that the 9500 might be a good alternative to the JVC RS15
post #8 of 24
Craig >>> Thanks for your comments, especially the ones concerning the several LED projectors being displayed at CEDIA.
Since you didn't mention BenQ, specifically its previously announced W30000 LED projector, are we to infer that the company did not participate at this year's show ?
Regards >>> Marcos
post #9 of 24
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I did not see BenQ at CEDIA. Too bad - less choices.
post #10 of 24
I know this is an unfair question without the ability to see them side by side in a controlled environment but do you care to voice an opinion on the relative merits of the VW85 vs the JVC RS35?
post #11 of 24
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I know this is an unfair question without the ability to see them side by side in a controlled environment but do you care to voice an opinion on the relative merits of the VW85 vs the JVC RS35?

I thought they were both excellent projectors. At this level it's more a case of splitting hairs picture wise, and perhaps other features come into play whether one or the other works better in your theater. While the Sony uses a DI to get it's excellent looking black levels, I couldn't see it operate in the demo material I saw. I'll be surprised if the in depth reviewers find big differences picture wise. I imagine most people would be happy with either one IMO.
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My impression on the new projectors

Hey Craig, every time I see the title of this thread I laugh, because I keep imagining you doing an impersonation\\impression of a projector
post #13 of 24
I agree Craig. I only got about ten minutes with the Sony, but it looked pretty good. I spent a long time with the 35 and was impressed as well. I believe it still has the MIC, but that seems like much ado about nothing. I think one has to consider themselves lucky for what they are getting in these two, as compared to what was available just a couple of years ago.
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Craig, did you see the HW15? How did it compare?
post #15 of 24
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Craig, did you see the HW15? How did it compare?

Sony did not have the HW15 at CEDIA. Too bad - I was looking forward to seeing it.
post #16 of 24
Hello Craig. So - based on what you saw and stated in your observations - you feel that the Mitsu 3800 puts out a better picture then the 6800? I was considering getting the 6800, but if you think that the 3800 is better (and cheaper?) maybe I should check into the 3800? I have a fully light controlled room and a 119" screen @ 1.3 gain.
post #17 of 24
Thanks for the good info! You used the term "depth of field" twice. What do you mean by that? It has meaning in photography, but that meaning would not apply to projectors as the focus is determined on the camera end.
post #18 of 24
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Hello Craig. So - based on what you saw and stated in your observations - you feel that the Mitsu 3800 puts out a better picture then the 6800? I was considering getting the 6800, but if you think that the 3800 is better (and cheaper?) maybe I should check into the 3800? I have a fully light controlled room and a 119" screen @ 1.3 gain.

I can't imagine the 3800 would put out a better picture than the 6800. Brighter maybe, but I'm sure the 3800 would have worse black levels than the 6800.
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LCD put out a better BLACK than DLP, it is still hard to believe !!!
post #20 of 24
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I can't imagine the 3800 would put out a better picture than the 6800. Brighter maybe, but I'm sure the 3800 would have worse black levels than the 6800.

It puts out a brighter picture, but yes, the 6800 has better black levels. Might be best to wait for some in depth reviews and measurements.
post #21 of 24
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Here is a review of the Mits 3800 just FYI -
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...or-first-look/
post #22 of 24
Art has not said when he expects a HC6800 in for review, however (at least not that I could find).

ac388 -- Yup. But only if they use their "Dynamic Iris" (or whatever they chose to call it). Without DI, the DLPs always seem to be better than LCDs (the Epson C2Fine panels are very close, though). However, LCoS PJs (JVC & Sony) are virtually equivalent, in terms of native CR.

Unfortunately, most DLPs don't have as good a DI implementation as some of the better LCDs (Epson, Panasonic, and Mitsubishi have the best - they've had a head start in development). This is especially true for the lower cost DLPs where the LCDs beat the DLPs in CR. This doesn't mean that a good DLP can't throw a better image than the LCDs (and they do have less motion blur, sometimes a lot less).

Which type of PJ you buy is still a matter of personal preference.
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However, LCoS PJs (JVC & Sony) are virtually equivalent, in terms of native CR.

Really? I have not seen measurements that support this.
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Be careful with the lcd mitts. I had dust blob problems with the HC 5000 and the HC 7000 ( the last one I sold for this specific reason) in a short period of time. Before the units reached a little above 100 hours of use. And my projection room is not a dusty one.
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