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post #301 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

there's no scaling of digital sources...what comes in from hdmi, goes out the same regardless of setting

Cool ... thanks ...
post #302 of 1680
@winston9332

Did you do compare the stereo/movie performance between the SR6003 and the SR6004.
I can get the SR6003 for a nice price (€650), but wonder if its worth to upgrade to a SR6004 (€900).
I don't really care about the extra in/outputs that the SR6004 offers.
post #303 of 1680
Hi I am new here, I wonder if Sr6004 can drive 4ohm rear speakers? thanks
post #304 of 1680
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Hi I am new here, I wonder if Sr6004 can drive 4ohm rear speakers? thanks

Not according to the rear of the unit, which shows ratings of 6-8ohms.
post #305 of 1680
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@winston9332

Did you do compare the stereo/movie performance between the SR6003 and the SR6004.
I can get the SR6003 for a nice price (650), but wonder if its worth to upgrade to a SR6004 (900).
I don't really care about the extra in/outputs that the SR6004 offers.

stereo i would say i very similar.

as for movies, the addition of pliiz processing, dynamic volume, and dynamic eq make some difference.
post #306 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Not according to the rear of the unit, which shows ratings of 6-8ohms.

well it can, but if you want to listen out loud levels your going to eventually clip the amp. Receivers are never a good choice for driving low impedence speakers as they will get very warm and generally dont have the power reserves for dynamic peaks. Some onkyos have a 4ohm setting, but its just a power limiter and actually makes the unit run even hotter.
post #307 of 1680
@winston9332 (or others with Marantz vs. Onkyo experience..)

You mentioned you were playing with an nr-1007 earlier in the thread. I'm curious about the sound of the Marantz vs. the Onkyo, both in stereo and HT mode. Is the Marantz really better sonically?
post #308 of 1680
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@winston9332 (or others with Marantz vs. Onkyo experience..)

You mentioned you were playing with an nr-1007 earlier in the thread. I'm curious about the sound of the Marantz vs. the Onkyo, both in stereo and HT mode. Is the Marantz really better sonically?

check out the 1007 thread's first page.
post #309 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

check out the 1007 thread's first page.

Thanks! One more question, what about pure stereo mode. I wasn't sure in that comparison if you also compared the 1007 to the 6004 when in direct or stereo or some such mode?

In the end, do you prefer one above the other (assuming the 6004 still works)?

jan

PS. For stereo, I'd be driving B&W 803 speakers with a Rotel RB1090 amp using the AVR. Would a nr807 or 5004 suffice in that case?
PS2. Guess that's three questions...
post #310 of 1680
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Number 4 just died on me while watching the LSU/Bama game. Can't figure this out.
post #311 of 1680
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Number 4 just died on me while watching the LSU/Bama game. Can't figure this out.

Wow, ridiculous! But so far you seem to be the only one having these problems, well, in this forum? Guess you're ready to give up on the 6004...

jan

PS. Don't worry too much about the "liberal fascists" taking away your TV! From your link: "Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.

"We're comfortable with our ability to meet the proposed levels and implementation dates," said Kenneth R. Lowe, Vizio's co-founder and vice president."

Anyway, it's only for TVs measuring 58 inches and smaller...
post #312 of 1680
Just got myself a 5400, coming from a Denon 988. So far I prefer the Marantz for its clear, but smoother sound and the addition of dynamic eq adds that extra sweetness. Liking the upgrade so far.
post #313 of 1680
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Originally Posted by jmourik View Post

Wow, ridiculous! But so far you seem to be the only one having these problems, well, in this forum? Guess you're ready to give up on the 6004...

jan

PS. Don't worry too much about the "liberal fascists" taking away your TV! From your link: "Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.

"We're comfortable with our ability to meet the proposed levels and implementation dates," said Kenneth R. Lowe, Vizio's co-founder and vice president."

Anyway, it's only for TVs measuring 58 inches and smaller...

I know...I have triple checked everything - even resorted to putting the cable box on a different surge protector and surge protecting the coaxial feed and they still seem to die on me somewhere between two and four weeks.

And as for the tv, the more we can keep government out of our lives, the better we will all be.
post #314 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

stereo i would say i very similar.

as for movies, the addition of pliiz processing, dynamic volume, and dynamic eq make some difference.

Dynamic volume, and dynamic eq will not work with the new HD-audio formats right?
post #315 of 1680
Winston,

I hope Marantz takes care of you on this!!! They should compare all your damaged equipment and see what is causing the problem. Hopefully, it is the same problem in at least 3 of your units so they can have an idea of what is causing the failures. If they think it is caused by an external source I would HOPE they would send a technician to your house and verify all your equipment. I'm not talking about it being set up correctly, I doubt that is the problem.

I'm referring to equipment that is supposed to operate within a given specification say 1-10 volts and some piece of equipment is running hot and putting out 20 volts under certain circumstances. Almost every piece of equipment will take some overload but how much is the question. You need someone with instrumentation to monitor your equipment.

I'm not defending Marantz, if this is something that is a design problem shame on them!!! And shame on them for not fixing it yet!!! It is just unusual we are not hearing more reports of failures of these units. Typically, when it is a design oversight you hear the same problem from many users.

Either way I'm holding off on getting one to test until this issue is resolved. I hope Marantz treats you well!

Good luck!

Bob
post #316 of 1680
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Originally Posted by gravy1 View Post

Dynamic volume, and dynamic eq will not work with the new HD-audio formats right?

Sure they will just have your player do the decoding.
post #317 of 1680
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

Winston,

I hope Marantz takes care of you on this!!! They should compare all your damaged equipment and see what is causing the problem. Hopefully, it is the same problem in at least 3 of your units so they can have an idea of what is causing the failures. If they think it is caused by an external source I would HOPE they would send a technician to your house and verify all your equipment. I'm not talking about it being set up correctly, I doubt that is the problem.

I'm referring to equipment that is supposed to operate within a given specification say 1-10 volts and some piece of equipment is running hot and putting out 20 volts under certain circumstances. Almost every piece of equipment will take some overload but how much is the question. You need someone with instrumentation to monitor your equipment.

I'm not defending Marantz, if this is something that is a design problem shame on them!!! And shame on them for not fixing it yet!!! It is just unusual we are not hearing more reports of failures of these units. Typically, when it is a design oversight you hear the same problem from many users.

Either way I'm holding off on getting one to test until this issue is resolved. I hope Marantz treats you well!

Good luck!

Bob

i have asked my dealer to insist that his supplier perform a complete autopsy on the units. One of two things has happened - either there is a latent defect (by design or part) or i have a problem with something in my house. The problem is denons and onkyos have operated in the same places and same setups with issue. it appears to be unique to marantz.

I have done everything i can think of - put the cable box on a separate surge protector and even surge protect the coaxial feed itself. I can't figure it out - they work fine for anywhere between 8 to 28 day and then randomly die - without any warning
post #318 of 1680
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according to a local repair guy who does work for sony, onkyo and yamaha, the fact that i am hearing a thud when they die leads him to believe it has something to do with the output stage...
post #319 of 1680
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Originally Posted by gravy1 View Post

Dynamic volume, and dynamic eq will not work with the new HD-audio formats right?

audyssey functions will not work when decoding internally in the receiver. if you send it via lpcm via your player, you're fine. and you can take advantage of secondary audio/PIP this way/
post #320 of 1680
I'm *this* close to buying a European Marantz SR6004, but I still have several niggling questions that I'd love answered:
  1. How easy is it to adjust lip-sync on-the-fly?
  2. What sort of delay is there when switching inputs or audio formats? If so, does it differ depending on whether you are sending bitstreamed or LPCM audio over HDMI?
  3. I've heard talk of the 6004 having a GUI, but most reviews describe it as simple white text on a blue background. It's not important to me - as long as it does the job - but why this discrepancy?
  4. My sources are an Oppo BDP-83 and a Sony PS3, and my display is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Should I expect any HDMI handshake issues? If so, are other makes of receiver any better in this regard?
Cheers,
McNulty
post #321 of 1680
Do you have a surge protector with the UL rating of A, 1 , 1? Surge protectors can sometimes cause more harm than good depending on the wiring of your house and cost doesn't necesarily indicate performance. UL offers optional endurance testing which MOST manufacturers don't submit their products. A UL sticker only means it passed safety requirements and not performance parameters.

Denons and Onkyos could have different tolerances like the example I gave with 20 volts. Maybe they can handle 30 volts and the Marantz only 18 volts but the offending piece shouldn't be putting out more than 10.

If we were hearing other reports of these units failing than I definitely would say there is a problem with the marantz. And mabye there are other units we do not know since many of these units are sold through installers and we might not be hearing those reports. I haven't heard anything on the installer's forums YET.

If Marantz has no other failed units and one customer with 4 failed units than that customer is either extremely unlucky, has a very unique system which wasn't accounted for in design or there is something wrong with that system causing the failure.

I'm just saying it is weird. Either way if I were you I'd probably avoid Marantz unless they do something to take care of you and solve the problem not just keep replacing equipment.

Bob
post #322 of 1680
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

Do you have a surge protector with the UL rating of A, 1 , 1? Surge protectors can sometimes cause more harm than good depending on the wiring of your house and cost doesn't necesarily indicate performance. UL offers optional endurance testing which MOST manufacturers don't submit their products. A UL sticker only means it passed safety requirements and not performance parameters.

Denons and Onkyos could have different tolerances like the example I gave with 20 volts. Maybe they can handle 30 volts and the Marantz only 18 volts but the offending piece shouldn't be putting out more than 10.

If we were hearing other reports of these units failing than I definitely would say there is a problem with the marantz. And mabye there are other units we do not know since many of these units are sold through installers and we might not be hearing those reports. I haven't heard anything on the installer's forums YET.

If Marantz has no other failed units and one customer with 4 failed units than that customer is either extremely unlucky, has a very unique system which wasn't accounted for in design or there is something wrong with that system causing the failure.

I'm just saying it is weird. Either way if I were you I'd probably avoid Marantz unless they do something to take care of you and solve the problem not just keep replacing equipment.

Bob

surge protector is rated to 4320 Joules with an AV clamping of 330 volts and is UL approved - can't see a rating on it.
post #323 of 1680
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

Do you have a surge protector with the UL rating of A, 1 , 1? Surge protectors can sometimes cause more harm than good depending on the wiring of your house and cost doesn't necesarily indicate performance. UL offers optional endurance testing which MOST manufacturers don't submit their products. A UL sticker only means it passed safety requirements and not performance parameters.

Denons and Onkyos could have different tolerances like the example I gave with 20 volts. Maybe they can handle 30 volts and the Marantz only 18 volts but the offending piece shouldn't be putting out more than 10.

If we were hearing other reports of these units failing than I definitely would say there is a problem with the marantz. And mabye there are other units we do not know since many of these units are sold through installers and we might not be hearing those reports. I haven't heard anything on the installer's forums YET.

If Marantz has no other failed units and one customer with 4 failed units than that customer is either extremely unlucky, has a very unique system which wasn't accounted for in design or there is something wrong with that system causing the failure.

I'm just saying it is weird. Either way if I were you I'd probably avoid Marantz unless they do something to take care of you and solve the problem not just keep replacing equipment.

Bob

and remember the marantz and cable box are using separate surge protectors. the only connection is an optical - hdmi goes directly to my tv.
post #324 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

according to a local repair guy who does work for sony, onkyo and yamaha, the fact that i am hearing a thud when they die leads him to believe it has something to do with the output stage...

Wow Winston? 4 units? Whoa! Something else has to be going on. Have you tried a different power strip? Can it really be a manufacturer defect at this point...? Then again, stranger things have happened.'

post #325 of 1680
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Originally Posted by HotAhr View Post

Winston, Could you possibly be experiencing power spikes? I mean 4 units? Whoa! Something else has to be going on. It can't be a manufacturer defect at this point... Well? then again, stranger things have happened.'


They have all been surge-protected and no other device in my setup was effected. moreover, the 6004 replaced an onkyo 906 that ran without issue for a year. before that, an onkyo 805. I even had a denon 2310 for about a month without issue.
post #326 of 1680
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Originally Posted by Omar McNulty View Post

I'm *this* close to buying a European Marantz SR6004, but I still have several niggling questions that I'd love answered:
Cheers,
McNulty


How easy is it to adjust lip-sync on-the-fly?
Not easy. There are really no adjustments I have been able to tell - only a choice of on or off
What sort of delay is there when switching inputs or audio formats? If so, does it differ depending on whether you are sending bitstreamed or LPCM audio over HDMI?
Pretty quick - faster than my onkyo 1007
I've heard talk of the 6004 having a GUI, but most reviews describe it as simple white text on a blue background. It's not important to me - as long as it does the job - but why this discrepancy?
Unsure what you mean, but it is nearly identical to the previous gen's blu background, white lettering. It's pretty basic to say the least.
My sources are an Oppo BDP-83 and a Sony PS3, and my display is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Should I expect any HDMI handshake issues? If so, are other makes of receiver any better in this regard?
I have a kuro and use an oppo without issue.
post #327 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

How easy is it to adjust lip-sync on-the-fly?
Not easy. There are really no adjustments I have been able to tell - only a choice of on or off

Really? I just had a look at the manual for the 6004 and the remote appears to have a lip-sync button. I assumed you could use this to adjust lip-sync in 10ms increments. Is it just an on/off button then?

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

What sort of delay is there when switching inputs or audio formats? If so, does it differ depending on whether you are sending bitstreamed or LPCM audio over HDMI?
Pretty quick - faster than my onkyo 1007

Excellent. My old Harman/Kardon takes several seconds to lock onto a signal using optical input. Drives me nuts when I miss the start of a song or movie!

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I've heard talk of the 6004 having a GUI, but most reviews describe it as simple white text on a blue background. It's not important to me - as long as it does the job - but why this discrepancy?
Unsure what you mean, but it is nearly identical to the previous gen's blu background, white lettering. It's pretty basic to say the least.

Sorry for the confusion - I recall reading somewhere that the newer Marantz receivers had a slicker GUI, so I was just surprised to discover that it is just white text on a blue background. Oh well... just as long as it does the job!

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

My sources are an Oppo BDP-83 and a Sony PS3, and my display is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Should I expect any HDMI handshake issues? If so, are other makes of receiver any better in this regard?
I have a kuro and use an oppo without issue.

That's good news. I hate the idea of a movie being interrupted just because your TV, receiver and BD player can't get along.
post #328 of 1680
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so, i decided to put my other 6004 (the one still working) through the torture test today. Left it on playing the cable feed (optical from scientific atlanta hd box) nearly all day. It was on roughly from 9am till about now. The unit never ran hot and never locked up/died.

I just don't get what's killed the other ones...
post #329 of 1680
In the SR6003 it wasn't possible to set different crossover settings for each speaker, does the SR6004 support this feature?
post #330 of 1680
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In the SR6003 it wasn't possible to set different crossover settings for each speaker, does the SR6004 support this feature?


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