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post #61 of 1680
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

Hi thanks for the great information so far.

I'm wondering what the differences would be for me between the 6003 and the 6004. (or even the 5004).

In my case, I use a PS3 as my Blu-ray player, so the only other HDMI input is the cable box. 95% of the movies I watch are blu-ray, so all lossless codecs, but from the PS3 it will be lpcm anyway, I believe. Setup as 5.1, perhaps 7.1 in the future but all of these are capable of that. I have no interest in iphone/ipod, BT capabilities. I plan on using the Audyssey auto-setup features. One of the volume-compression algorithms for night-time movie watching or game playing when the spouse is asleep would be nice also.

I'm of course figuring there will be some deep discounts on the 6003, which will make me consider if the upgrades to the 6004 will be something I would even make use of. There is the 10W/ch of course, but the 100W/ch rating on the 6003 is supposedly conservative anyway, so it should be sufficient. Room is not overly large. Main seating is 7' back from a 67" tv with about 20 feet of open room behind the seating. Room is about 15' wide. So long narrow room with television at one narrow end. Are there any known problems with the x003/x0004 series and the PS3? I typically use the 1080p/24 output to the TV when watching BR discs.

Thanks for any help. I'm frequently discouraged when trying to compare receivers, and the higher end ones just seem to add more features that I won't be using anyway, instead of adding more watts and better sound quality (which is what I'm really interested in.)

In your case I guess 5004 wins. It is $400 cheaper than 6004 and it only lacks 20 watts, 1 HDMI in, 1 out, 1 optical in, USB port, Bluetooth and IR receiver.

If I were you I did not get 6003 and my reasons are:

* New models have Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ which come in handy these days.

* There were some glitches in older models like 6003 in HDMI area.

* You may like to try Dolby PL-IIz someday just for the fun of it.

If you are worried about 20 watts difference between 5004 and 6004, it will be nothing. If your speakers sensibility are rated as 90db SPL, then 5004 will produce about 109.x db while sr6004 with 110w produce about 110.x db at maximum power. 20 watt difference is nothing maybe just 1 db increase because as you may know each 3 db increase needs double the power and is equal to twice the sound volume.

Good Luck...
post #62 of 1680
Hey fellas I've been lurking around the forum lately and I'm extremely interested in the Marantz 5004 and the 6004. I can buy the first for $509.99 and the second (6004) for $749.99 and I'm wondering if the difference between the two receivers warrants the $240 price difference. I plan on pairing these with three Vienna Acoustics Waltzs(L,R, and C) for my bedroom any input? I've also been debating if I should mount my center channel above the TV seeing as how the Vienna Acoustics Waltz have an option to mount them at an angle. Any input would be appreciated, thanks guys.
post #63 of 1680
THX mode typically cuts the high frequenciess. When movies are mixed their final mix is done in a dubbing stage (basically a theater with a mixing console in the middle).

High frequencies roll off quicker in large spaces and the mix was done in a large room. When you take that original recording and play it in a small space as in most homes the highs will be more pronounced or what some might call 'bright'. THX mode is to compensate for the difference between large and small room acoustics. By decreasing the high frequncies the lows will sound more pronounced.

The THX mode works well for some discs but others have been remixed for the home and with those discs it shouldn't be used. They often state on the disc cover remastered and no need for cinema EQ or something like that.

Bob
post #64 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

In preliminary tests it falls more towards the useless category. before my 6004 died on me, i did run a dvd in source direct and found it pretty average in deinterlacing. i did not have time to run synthetic tests. hopefully i will be getting my new unit today and will be able to re-test tomorrow.

Did you receive your replacement unit?
post #65 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chas_w View Post

Did you receive your replacement unit?

Got it last night and it appears to be working. I have not run audyssey or used it much. Fingers crossed this makes it through the week!
post #66 of 1680
"As of now, the xxx4 series still CANNOT apply Audyssey or other post-processing to a bitstream lossless signal from a Hi Def source."


Is the above comment still true ?
post #67 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Norman Chan View Post

"As of now, the xxx4 series still CANNOT apply Audyssey or other post-processing to a bitstream lossless signal from a Hi Def source."


Is the above comment still true ?

check the faq
post #68 of 1680
Sorry ...read and don't really understand is the problem already solve in the xxx4 series ....
post #69 of 1680
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Originally Posted by Norman Chan View Post

Sorry ...read and don't really understand is the problem already solve in the xxx4 series ....

The 6004 like its predecessor the 6003 is UNABLE to decode lossless audio and apply Audyssey at the same time. Audyssey can be applied if you do the decoding in your player and send it via LPCM to the 6004. It is addressed in the faq's
post #70 of 1680
So Yamaha , Denon and Onkyo no such problem ?
post #71 of 1680
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Originally Posted by Norman Chan View Post

So Yamaha , Denon and Onkyo no such problem ?

Yamaha does not use Audyssey. It uses YPAO, and it can be applied to the Bitstream
Denon and Onkyo do not have the limitation of the Marantz as far as Audyssey implementation is concerned.
post #72 of 1680
Regarding handshake:
I have a HTPC with an ATI 4650 card connected via HDMI to the 6004. The from the 6004 to a projector via HDMI. If I open the 6004 menu video and output from the computer is lost, but audio comes back after a few seconds. This is helpful when fiddling with the audio settings while listining to the audio. When I exit the menu video and audio is back to normal.
post #73 of 1680
Sorry to ask .... if there is limitation of the Marantz as far as Audyssey implementation why is it still worth to buy the 6004 .... what do they really have in features that win over a Denon or Yamaha or Onkyo ?
post #74 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Norman Chan View Post

Sorry to ask .... if there is limitation of the Marantz as far as Audyssey implementation why is it still worth to buy the 6004 .... what do they really have in features that win over a Denon or Yamaha or Onkyo ?

read the faq
post #75 of 1680
You mean the Forum FAQ or Marantz web-site FAQ ?
post #76 of 1680
Is there any sense that "sophisticated glass reinforced resin" looks and feels a lot like PLASTIC?
post #77 of 1680
Can you get that pricing for me?
post #78 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Norman Chan View Post

You mean the Forum FAQ or Marantz web-site FAQ ?

first page of the thread
post #79 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Marantz takes a bit of a purist's approach in a very competitive landscape. They offer fewer HDMI inputs, less snazzy GUIs, non-brand name video chipset, and aren't quite pushing the feature envelope the way Onkyo or Denon do. It has the basic features in my opinion: audyssey multieq, dynamic volume, and dolby pliiz with adequate hdmi inputs to deal with most setups. I get the feeling this receiver is not marketed to the folks with gaming systems and the alike that have the need for the six hdmi inputs an onkyo would provide.

In regard to style, Marantz is hands down one of the most attractive receivers out there. Its curved design is as unique as its pleasing to the eye. While I do not mind the boxy, angular look of the Onkyos, they do not stand out or "look" the part despite their featureset and cost.

The remote is similar to Onkyo's, but you can tell is focused more on critical audio listening than universality. What do I mean by that? It has preset buttons for basic functions like tone control and audyssey settings that do not appear on the Onkyo. The latest Onkyo remote is reflective of Onkyo's push for featureset with pre-programmed macro buttons that turn all devices off or pre-set My Movie or My Music components. These are nice and very wife friendly, but it does lack quick-linked buttosn for audyssey manipulation and things audiophiles might be more concerned with.

more to come...

Will update more later, but I just recently got an Onkyo TX NR1007, which is Marantz's direct competitor in respects of price (paid the same amont for each).

While, I still love the Marantz, the Onkyo is another league.
post #80 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Will update more later, but I just recently got an Onkyo TX NR1007, which is Marantz's direct competitor in respects of price (paid the same amont for each).

While, I still love the Marantz, the Onkyo is another league.

More details please if you have time...thanks.
post #81 of 1680
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Originally Posted by chas_w View Post

More details please if you have time...thanks.

1. versatility - 9 amps is more fun than 7amps
2. power - the 1007 is as powerful as my 876...think onkyo got the conservative bug on this one to sell the 3007.
3. gui design/interactivity

marantz still might sound a hair better with some cds (think steely dan not def leperd) - bit cleaner sound, but this 1007 is a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothes.
post #82 of 1680
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Originally Posted by chas_w View Post

More details please if you have time...thanks.

I'll put it this way, if somebody gave me a choice of the two, i would pick the onkyo unless i were in a very small apartment and i had a glass rack and wanted to show off the style of a marantz. hate using car analogies, but the 1007 is a 550i sport bmw (almost an m5) and the marantz is more of a jaguar. i know...another bad car analogy!
post #83 of 1680
I know it's not a direct comparison but how would you rate the 1007 to a higher Marantz model like the 8002?
post #84 of 1680
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Originally Posted by lewdogg View Post

I know it's not a direct comparison but how would you rate the 1007 to a higher Marantz model like the 8002?

Don't know...never owned an 8002. 8002 is geriatric in receiver years (no offense to it, but it came out two years ago
post #85 of 1680
Shopping for a new receiver, thanks to everyone who has posted info so far in this thread. Great to see at least some info on this new receiver already.

Here's my setup:
- Pioneer Elite VSX-45TX that is approx 5 years old
- 5.1 speaker setup - M&K K7 L/CR, M&K K4 tripoles for back L+R. All speakers are 4ohm
- HTPC (Windows) with DVI output, connected to a NAS/WHS that has all my DVDs ripped, downloaded contents, music, etc.
- Xbox 360 with component (games + netflix streaming)
- My receiver is only handling audio today, with all my video connecting straight to my NEC 50XR5 plasma.

At this point, i'm looking only to change my receiver, as I'm very happy with the rest of my setup. The biggest reason I'm looking to change it is to simplify my setup in terms of connections.

I have an NEC 50" XR50 plasmas (50XR5) and although it has a lot of inputs, I've struggled with various things in the past connecting to it, especially my HTPC in terms of resolutions. For example, I've tried converting my HTPC's mini-DVI to HDMI, but had massive resolutions problems (I think it had to do with EDID) so ended up going to DVI. Since my TV only has 1 DVI input, I had to get a MadCatz converter for my Xbox 360 to output to HDMI. (it's an original Xbox 360 that doens't have native HDMI out).

Goals:
1. Get a single cable from my receiver to the TV.
2. Compensate for my HTPC's crappy video card, and upconvert to 1080p (video card can only do 720p).
3. Allow me to ditch the Xbox 360 MadCatz HDMI converter and use the native component output (presumably I can get 1080p out of component?)
4. Improve sound quality music+movies. My room is a bit challenging for sound so the Audyssey EQ stuff looks amazing.

Anything else is gravy.

I don't want to spend anymore than $1000, obviously cheaper the better. My current contenders are the Onkyo NR807 and Marantz SR6004. After listening to Denon's, it is a little bright/harsh with my already bright M&K speakers, so I've ruled them out.

The Onkyo NR807 looks like a great unit, and the network firmware updates look fantastic as it seems that Onkyo is actively updating it based on what I'm reading in the owner's thread. The Marantz SR6004 looks like a great deal as well, but much less information about it.

My biggest questions:

1. In the price range of the SR6004, how good is the upconversion? The chipset is listed as "unknown" here on the forums and the Onkyo NR807 has the Faroudja DCDi Cinema chip which I've read isn't as good as the ABT, but still much better than the old DCDi "Edge" chip.

2. Since this doesn't have DVI connections, I'll have to convert my HTPC's DVI output to HDMI, then connect that to the receiver to upconvert and output to my Plasma. Will I have any resolution issues?

3. Any one compared it to the Onkyo NR807 and have comments?
post #86 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bobby_t1 View Post

Shopping for a new receiver, thanks to everyone who has posted info so far in this thread. Great to see at least some info on this new receiver already.

Here's my setup:
- Pioneer Elite VSX-45TX that is approx 5 years old
- 5.1 speaker setup - M&K K7 L/CR, M&K K4 tripoles for back L+R. All speakers are 4ohm
- HTPC (Windows) with DVI output, connected to a NAS/WHS that has all my DVDs ripped, downloaded contents, music, etc.
- Xbox 360 with component (games + netflix streaming)
- My receiver is only handling audio today, with all my video connecting straight to my NEC 50XR5 plasma.

At this point, i'm looking only to change my receiver, as I'm very happy with the rest of my setup. The biggest reason I'm looking to change it is to simplify my setup in terms of connections.

I have an NEC 50" XR50 plasmas (50XR5) and although it has a lot of inputs, I've struggled with various things in the past connecting to it, especially my HTPC in terms of resolutions. For example, I've tried converting my HTPC's mini-DVI to HDMI, but had massive resolutions problems (I think it had to do with EDID) so ended up going to DVI. Since my TV only has 1 DVI input, I had to get a MadCatz converter for my Xbox 360 to output to HDMI. (it's an original Xbox 360 that doens't have native HDMI out).

Goals:
1. Get a single cable from my receiver to the TV.
2. Compensate for my HTPC's crappy video card, and upconvert to 1080p (video card can only do 720p).
3. Allow me to ditch the Xbox 360 MadCatz HDMI converter and use the native component output (presumably I can get 1080p out of component?)
4. Improve sound quality music+movies. My room is a bit challenging for sound so the Audyssey EQ stuff looks amazing.

Anything else is gravy.

I don't want to spend anymore than $1000, obviously cheaper the better. My current contenders are the Onkyo NR807 and Marantz SR6004. After listening to Denon's, it is a little bright/harsh with my already bright M&K speakers, so I've ruled them out.

The Onkyo NR807 looks like a great unit, and the network firmware updates look fantastic as it seems that Onkyo is actively updating it based on what I'm reading in the owner's thread. The Marantz SR6004 looks like a great deal as well, but much less information about it.

My biggest questions:

1. In the price range of the SR6004, how good is the upconversion? The chipset is listed as "unknown" here on the forums and the Onkyo NR807 has the Faroudja DCDi Cinema chip which I've read isn't as good as the ABT, but still much better than the old DCDi "Edge" chip.

2. Since this doesn't have DVI connections, I'll have to convert my HTPC's DVI output to HDMI, then connect that to the receiver to upconvert and output to my Plasma. Will I have any resolution issues?

3. Any one compared it to the Onkyo NR807 and have comments?

do yourself a favor and read the first page of the thread - the anwers to all of your questions except 2 are there. as for htpc, hdmi handhakes tend to by very difficult for receivers in my experience. best posting on htpc threads
post #87 of 1680
Thread Starter 
Marantz's QC must have been out-sourced to Acorn as part of the Stimulus package. My first unit died (up in smoke after eight days) and my replacement unit has been running for six days, but has encountered both hdmi handshake issues (ironically with a Marantz BD7004) and HDMI lags that are much longer than my previous unit.

Once again, very unimpressed by Marantz's quality as a first time owner - my Onkyo 807 and 1007 have been more reliable - and that's not saying much!
post #88 of 1680
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Is poor build quality/quality control typical of Marantz? Two units from two different wholesalers (according to my dealer) and two distinctly different issues - one complete failure after less than 8 days of use.

This is just embarassing for a $1,250 receiver in my opinion that is marketed as high quality and for the custom installed set...
post #89 of 1680
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

do yourself a favor and read the first page of the thread - the anwers to all of your questions except 2 are there. as for htpc, hdmi handhakes tend to by very difficult for receivers in my experience. best posting on htpc threads


Winston, I was looking for more input from others than what was just in the FAQ hence my question about the comparison to other options.

As for the upconversion and interlacing comments, I totally missed post #3 for some reason

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Using S&M's synthetic test disc, notably the racecar tests, here are the deinterlacing results using source direct from a bd player and letting the receivers do the work:

Test Denon AVR-2310ci Marantz SR6004 Onkyo TX NR1007 Onkyo TX NR807 Onkyo TX NR906
ABT 2010 I Chip? Farjouda DCDi Cinema Farjouda DCDi Cinema Reon HQV VX
2:2 Pass Fail Fail Fail PENDING
2:2:2:4 Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass*
2:3:2:3 (PF-T) Pass Pass* Pass* Pass*
2:3:2:3 Pass pass* Pass Pass
2:3:3:2 Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass*
3:2:3:2:2 Pass Fail Fail Fail
5:5 Pass Marginal Fail Fail
6:4 Pass Marginal Fail Fail
8:7:8:7 Pass Pass Fail Fail
24p - pass Pass Pass Pass Pass
Time-adjusted Pass Fail Fail Fail
Ship Jaggies Pass Marginal Marginal Marginal

I'm not familiar with :"S&M synthetic test disc" and not exactly sure what it means to pass or fail. Would love some elaboration as I"m not sure if this impact just video passthrough, only upconversion, or both.
post #90 of 1680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bobby_t1 View Post

Winston, I was looking for more input from others than what was just in the FAQ hence my question about the comparison to other options.

As for the upconversion and interlacing comments, I totally missed post #3 for some reason



I'm not familiar with :"S&M synthetic test disc" and not exactly sure what it means to pass or fail. Would love some elaboration as I"m not sure if this impact just video passthrough, only upconversion, or both.

S&M test disc has synthetic tests using different film cadences to recognition and ability to properly deinterlace. While it's not a perfect indicator for upscaling quality, it is a very good barometer.
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