*Official* Pioneer Elite VSX-21/23THX Owners Thread - Page 60

I guess we agree to disagree. In most listening environments which we are all using (a room in our house) a sub will typically distort the mids and high and therefor music is not reproduced properly. As I mentioned this is not only coming from me, there are many articles, interviews, documents authored by audio engineers and musicians explaining in better detail of what I mean. I have yet to read an article from a musician that states they like how a sub re produces their music.

But like you said... to each his own. Your own ears are the true test to any sound.

Yes this would be a beautiful feature.

links please...

a correctly integrated sub will reproduce the sound "correctly".... "distort the mids and highs"??? please.... exactly WHY do you think a sub would distort the mids and highs, yet reproducing those very same frequencies from a full range speaker wouldn't?

audiophile mythology at work here... more out of date thoughts propagated with no actual basis in fact...

I think this is what your missing:

See page 61 of your manual.
Choosing the input signal
From your remote, cycle the input signal to Digital.
You should only have to do this once. Since you have HDMI connected, Initially, it will assume audio is via HDMI as well.

Im also having a hard time understanding why a quality, properly tuned/crossovered sub would have any effect at all on the mids and highs? If that sub was built into the Mains instead of sitting right beside them, youre saying things would be better?

Thanks for the info. I was really hoping to find a receiver that would allow me to watch cable without having it on.

I just got my Harmony One yesterday and was able to set-up the correct devices (Pionner HDTV, Pioneer AVR, Oppo Blu-ray). Got the initial activities in place for watching TV, watching Blu-Ray/DVD, but with a slight problem.

It seems that my Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K isnt able to switch to the correct assigned input when I press an activity on the remote. For instance, if I have just watched TV with the AVR set on TV/SAT input, then press "Watch DVD" on the remote, the remote does everything properly, except the AVR input remains on TV/SAT. Vice versa, if the AVR input was initially set on BD (Blu-ray Disc), and I then press "Watch TV" on the remote, the AVR input remains on BD.

I know the inputs are set-up properly in the software because I checked them again. And also, if I use the Harmony Remote Assistant to correct the problem, it quickly switched to the desired input. But then if I turn everything off and start all over again, I get the same issue.

Any ideas before I call tech support?

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to clarify, is the system turned off in-between? i.e. you were watching tv, turned everything off, and then came back and watched a dvd later?

or

you are watching tv, and hit "watch dvd" without turning the system off?

that will help us to debug...

The feel of live music is what we all strive for. Every "professional" quality PA I have ever seen incorporates subwoofers. So, why is that?

Yes. I have just been testing the remotes function - not really doing any real watching. But anyway, so far I think I have always turned all components off in between trying the "Watch TV" and "Watch DVD" commands on the remote.

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ok... i believe that you need to increase the power on delay for the avr device... post back if you need instructions to do that...

Power-on delay default is currently set to 1500ms.
Any suggestion for what to try?

What about all these other delays? Inter-key Delay, Input Delay, Inter-Device Delay?

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bump it up 500 ms and see if that helps... if not, bump it up another 500...

let's start with that...

Hey

I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH.
I am going to be moving to England in a couple of months and i am hoping to take the receiver with me.
Will i be able to use it over there?
My friend took his PS3 over there and he said he plugged it in and it worked fine.
Would this be the same for the VSX-23?
If not is there anything i can buy to make it work?

thanks for any help.

Also, on the PS3, you need to set the audio up to be output over both outputs at the same time. Otherwise, it will only use the primary output (HDMI) for audio.

The specs in the manual say 110V AC, 60Hz. Generally, if a unit can be used across the pond, it'll say 110-240V, 50-60Hz.

You would need an inverter/converter to get it to work.

Computers, on the other hand, generally have internationally-capable power supplies and just need the correct plug to work (especially laptops and other units with external transformers), or need a switch flipped.

Well I did wind up calling tech support. i did bump up the power on delay 500ms as you suggested. But he also suggested to bump up the input delay and inter device delay each by 500ms and the inter key delay by 100ms.

That combination of things seems to have fixed the problem. Perhaps it could have been corrected with just the power on delay or some other combination, but I did not try anything else yet.

I don't know what models do the pass through without turning the unit on. I will say that I refuse to pass video through my receiver for the wife approval and ease of use factor, not to mention my Sammy has plenty of connections and does a great converting job to what it likes best. I don't think the Pioneer knows any better what the TV likes.

So I am the commander of the surround and she can just watch regular cable TV like she likes. Win win for me and these Elites sound sooooo good. Your call.

It's almost irrelevant if you connect it like I mentioned. HDMI from cable box to TV, optical digital (audio) from TV to receiver. You'll get video and audio to the TV without the receiver being on. If you want to hear the sound through the receiver, just turn it on and select the input that's assigned to the optical input.

Thanks. That thread was kind of languishing away there. Pics say a thousand words and I for one do not care to read about what someone says they have. I like pictures of good clean setups because they spark ideas for me. I will say that some of the folks posting have some systems that are simply to be drooled over. I just cannot imagine making much more sound than I can now, but if I had the $$$ I probably would.

Except for a slight delay or lip synch issue I noticed. I just run optical from my cable box and other items to my AVR, works better for me, and that is just my experience.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

Now I just have to figure out the HDMI handshaking issue with my DISH receiver, and I'm all set (I know there are posts on that, so I'll read up on it).

That's how I have it set up now with my Pioneer Elite vsx-27tx. It doesn't have HDMI or component, so I connect the cable box and blue-ray directly to my TV using HDMI and run optical to the receiver. I would stick with this setup if it wasn't for the receiver's preamp outputs being dead. Now I have no bass because the sub doesn't get a signal. Wife says I can buy myself a new receiver for Valentine's Day.

I'm done paying $1000+ for receivers that become obsolete within years, but maybe that's what I have to do to get the feature I need. Well, I need to make a decision soon before I do something to upset the wife and have my gift revoked.

Ok... maybe a dumb question. Is the blue light supposed to stay on when the receiver is off/in standby? It comes on when I power up the receiver, then goes off when I turn the receiver off. All my other Pioneer equipment has the light on when it is in standby.

If KURO Link is set to "off", then the receiver has two power modes: On and Off. If KURO Link is set to "on", then the receiver has three power modes: On, Standby, and Off.

That would bug the living daylights out of me if the lights stayed on all the time in standby. My TVs and my PS3 each have a very small, diffused red LED that is on in standby mode, but a piercing bright blue LED in standby would drive me nuts.

Thanks Client. I do have KURO Link off. I just wanted to be sure that everything was ok with the receiver. One more thing. I have not had the time yet to tinker with the 23. Last night, I listened to some music (CD) and it just didn't sound great. Wouldn't it be so much easier if the receiver just had a treble and bass adjustment option? I am just not that tech savy. What do you suggest I do to get music to sound better?

It is safe to buy an Elite receiver in ebay?, i can only purchase it online because i live in Colombia and i have the way to import it, so it is a safe option?.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-Elite-VS...item35a6f5ecff

Thanks.

If you haven't run the MCACC setup yet, be sure to do that. In these days of advanced electronics and sound processing, the traditional "treble" and "bass" analog knobs are pretty much obsolete. For that matter, since the days of equalizers, the amount of control over tonality is much better than simple "bass" and "treble" knobs. The receivers have this built in electronically now, so it takes a little more digging to get to it. I suggest running the MCACC and seeing what effect it has. The post-processing results should be viewable on the on-screen display on your TV, showing the EQ and channel level adjustments that it made to everything. In the end, even though there are many different opinions on how sound "should" be heard, it's all a matter of personal taste. (see also: last 2 pages of this thread. )


Safe? I suppose, if it's from a trusted seller. Since you're exporting it to Colombia, I'm not sure if there would be a factory warranty on it anyway, so the fact that the factory warranty is voided by buying it online is of little consequence.

I would, however, hesitate to buy an item from a seller who doesn't even have the correct product image in their listing. The receiver in the picture on that listing appears to be an SC model or something, but certainly isn't a VSX-23.

But that's just me.

The receiver in that picture for what i can see is an SC-07, but looking at his reputation is very high and i don´t think there would be a problen at all, and like you say the warranty is not a problem to me because of the importation of the item.

Copy from the seller:
We are not responsible for typographical errors. The photographs of some accessories may not reflect the actual item shipped. We reserve the right to substitute accessories for similar ones of equal or greater value.

If you look detailed the score of that seller, i think half of what i sold was receivers, and all with good calification.

Anyone here have there Elite 21 connected to a video processor?
I have an older KeyDigital iSync Pro. I had my DISH receiver connected to my Elite 21 via HDMI (at 1080i), then to the iSync. When I apply power to the Pioneer. the iSync would flip out, cycling between 'no input' and 'Standby' mode.
I'm wondering if there might be an hdmi issue at work here. I could cycle different eq on/off and everything would eventually work, but what a pain!