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post #3301 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

3d games are 720p, aren't they?

Yep, so is checkerboard which the the Pio will pass because it is not 1.4 compliant. If the 3d game calls for 1.4 compliant setup you are SOL. Yes, I still have my 23 because it sounds sooo good and can really put out the oomph when I need it. Her days are numbered though. I know I have been saying that for some time now but I have always figured out a way to get around the 1.4 thing. Sad for the Pioneer is that I have had a recent small windfall in finances that will allow me to upgrade. It will not be a Pioneer unit this time. Tired of the firmware difficulties. Silly if you ask me.
post #3302 of 3519
^^^
I would be interested in knowing what you finally ended up replacing your 23 with.

I am a newer 21 owner and still love it. It has tons of power and am half afraid it'll damage my speakers if pushed to hard and I have no interest in the 3D tech right now. Wife hates it as she gets headaches from it so that's pretty much the nail in the coffin for that.
post #3303 of 3519
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Originally Posted by db4williams View Post

^^^
I would be interested in knowing what you finally ended up replacing your 23 with.

Probably going to be the Onkyo 809 but not sure yet. It is not only about the 3d for me but the HDMI passthrough. Not in a huge hurry now as I just got a new projector so I am playing with that but I demand a pass through unit that powers on when it is supposed to and has plenty of grunt for cranking when I want that.
post #3304 of 3519
Hi all - I've had a vsx-21 since Jan 2010. Have 3 devices hooked up via hdmi and all had been working fine till tonight. Tv went Black' and audio went dead - tryed power cycling everything but hdmi light is now always flashing on receiver with no picture or sound no matter what device I use ( cable box, ps3, and wdtv media player ). Any ideas? Could this be overheating related? Thanks in advance
post #3305 of 3519
Hi all,
I've had this since last year as well. My subwoofer isn't working. For some reason, the light doesn't come on and I can't seem to get it to work. The subwoofer in question is the Onkyo sub that comes in the HTS-760. The receiver powers the Klipsch Icon VF36 speakers and the center channel just fine. Any settings I have to worry about?
Thank You
post #3306 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ssedha View Post

Hi all,
I've had this since last year as well. My subwoofer isn't working. For some reason, the light doesn't come on and I can't seem to get it to work. The subwoofer in question is the Onkyo sub that comes in the HTS-760. The receiver powers the Klipsch Icon VF36 speakers and the center channel just fine. Any settings I have to worry about?
Thank You

How do you test to see "it is not working"?
Have you try the "test-tone" in the receiver and you cannot hear anything coming out from the sub?
Also, did you set your speaker to "small", and adjust your xover to say 80Hz? If you set your speaker to large, then your subwoofer is likely not active as the LFE will route to your speaker instead.
post #3307 of 3519
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post


How do you test to see "it is not working"?
Have you try the "test-tone" in the receiver and you cannot hear anything coming out from the sub?
Also, did you set your speaker to "small", and adjust your xover to say 80Hz? If you set your speaker to large, then your subwoofer is likely not active as the LFE will route to your speaker instead.

I had similar problems with an Infiniti TSS sub that went bad. Bought a pa-120 sub a year ago has been working fine since then
post #3308 of 3519
The cd player I'm considering says it supports SACD but only has optical outs.
Will going to my 23 reinterpret the signal to 5.1 with of course
sacd encoded music? What page in the manual should I reference please.

thank you for any guidance
post #3309 of 3519
I have been having a lot of issues w/ the remote not being able to power on the 23TXH receiver. As a result, I decided to upgrade the firmware myself since I didn't want to drive 1 hour away to an authorized Service Center. The upgrade was successful...about 5-10 wait process. Let's see if it fixes the remote issue.

Thanks for the firmware update!
post #3310 of 3519
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Originally Posted by omegapoint View Post

The cd player I'm considering says it supports SACD but only has optical outs.
Will going to my 23 reinterpret the signal to 5.1 with of course
sacd encoded music? What page in the manual should I reference please.

thank you for any guidance

what sacd player? you cannot send sacd sources via spdif... are you sure it doesn't have a set of multichannel analog outputs as well?
post #3311 of 3519
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

How do you test to see "it is not working"?
Have you try the "test-tone" in the receiver and you cannot hear anything coming out from the sub?
Also, did you set your speaker to "small", and adjust your xover to say 80Hz? If you set your speaker to large, then your subwoofer is likely not active as the LFE will route to your speaker instead.

The way I see its not working is because the standby light is on. The sub I had used to have a green light when it was working. Now today I just purchased a Definitive Technology Pro Sub 1000. At best buy it sounded awesome, but at home, I couldn't feel anything. I have a feeling that the cable is bad. But I set the speaker to 'small' and the xover to 80Hz was already set. And I do not understand how the LFE would route to my speaker when it's coming from the 'sub-out' of the receiver.
This is disappointing because the sub is $500... I do have 30 days to return it if I cannot get it to work... I've ordered new cables now from monoprice. so we shall see if the cable is the issue. However I really want the sub to start working. I might even bring my Sony BD player instead of the Panasonic I have. If I turn off HDMI audio I get no audio (even though I have an optical cable connected for sound)...
Maybe I need help setting this up!!!
post #3312 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ssedha View Post

The way I see its not working is because the standby light is on. The sub I had used to have a green light when it was working. Now today I just purchased a Definitive Technology Pro Sub 1000. At best buy it sounded awesome, but at home, I couldn't feel anything. I have a feeling that the cable is bad. But I set the speaker to 'small' and the xover to 80Hz was already set. And I do not understand how the LFE would route to my speaker when it's coming from the 'sub-out' of the receiver.
This is disappointing because the sub is $500... I do have 30 days to return it if I cannot get it to work... I've ordered new cables now from monoprice. so we shall see if the cable is the issue. However I really want the sub to start working. I might even bring my Sony BD player instead of the Panasonic I have. If I turn off HDMI audio I get no audio (even though I have an optical cable connected for sound)...
Maybe I need help setting this up!!!

Have you try that cable for other uses and does it work? Sometimes, it might be you did not push it "hard" enough so it makes contact?
If you turn off HDMI audio, you need to change the Audio output to pick up the optical. Also, BD input (HDMI#1, I believe) cannot use optical/coaxial audio input... in case you have not read the manual.
Good luck.
post #3313 of 3519
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Have you try that cable for other uses and does it work? Sometimes, it might be you did not push it "hard" enough so it makes contact?
If you turn off HDMI audio, you need to change the Audio output to pick up the optical. Also, BD input (HDMI#1, I believe) cannot use optical/coaxial audio input... in case you have not read the manual.
Good luck.

Thank you very much for the reply. I will try it out once I get back home this weekend. I'm currently away for work. I might have to do that. I think I have the BD input set for my DVDs. Maybe that's why its not working properly. By that time, i will have a center channel to attach, and new cables for the sub to attach. Looks like I will be using new cables to re-do the front & center channel speakers. after that I will run the auto set-up again and see what it does. Meanwhile, I will read the manuals for both the VSX-21TXH and my Panny BD player. Would help if I know my receiver more than what I do right now.
Thanks for the help... I will try again.
post #3314 of 3519
Anyone know how the VSX-21THX compares with the VSX-31? Costco has a good price on the newer model.
post #3315 of 3519
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Originally Posted by chener View Post

Anyone know how the VSX-21THX compares with the VSX-31? Costco has a good price on the newer model.

One major difference I see is 80W per channel on the VSX-31 vs. the 110W per channel on teh VSX-21. Otherwise they seem to have very similar specs if not the same...
Do correct me if i'm wrong here!!!
post #3316 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

what sacd player? you cannot send sacd sources via spdif... are you sure it doesn't have a set of multichannel analog outputs as well?

yea, they do have, I think they're rca plugs for LF, RF, RR, LR, CENTER & SUB.
I was under the impression that only hdmi could transmit the 5.1 encoded music. guess thats wrong. I see now my 23 has mult channel inputs for
rca's to match the analog outputs.

sorry, everything I read emphasizes hdmi so much it makes me think nothing works unless its hdmi, the one stop shop for plugs.
post #3317 of 3519
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Originally Posted by CR_Client View Post

1. It depends on what format your Blu-ray Disc player is using to send audio. If it sends it out in bitstream, the icons will light up and the display will show "DTS-HD" or "Dolby TrueHD". If it's set to PCM, it won't show them, even though the tracks are being played.

2. You're missing out on the ability to watch your TV using its built-in speakers for sound without having the receiver turned on. Frankly, I didn't buy my TV for its speakers (even though mine has a subwoofer in it), that's what I bought my receiver and speakers for. For some people, the lack of Pass-through is like having someone pour broken glass on the seating surfaces in their home, and it completely ruins the entire experience for them, because it's too complicated or too energy inefficient to turn on the receiver to watch something 'simple' like the news.


Really, the manual says tv's speakers are the "only" way you can listen to it if your'e using hdmi to it. that sucks, I didn't buy my tv for its speakers either.
post #3318 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ssedha View Post

One major difference I see is 80W per channel on the VSX-31 vs. the 110W per channel on teh VSX-21. Otherwise they seem to have very similar specs if not the same...
Do correct me if i'm wrong here!!!

Unfortunately that is not correct. Pioneer decided to change the naming (made it very deceiving for customers) because instead of going from VSX-01, VSX-21, VSX-31, the VSX-31 is actually in the series down (even though they still call it the Elite) so the amp section is not as good as the VSX-32 and VSX-33.
post #3319 of 3519
Hoping someone can help with a zone 2 audio issue. Have second set of speakers wired into zone 2 and can get perfect sound from ipod or my old CD player, but get no sound from cable box audio or Bluray audio streaming services. (Both work fine in zone 1.) Any suggestions for what I may be doing incorrect? Thanks in advance for any help!
post #3320 of 3519
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Originally Posted by rpryce77 View Post

Hoping someone can help with a zone 2 audio issue. Have second set of speakers wired into zone 2 and can get perfect sound from ipod or my old CD player, but get no sound from cable box audio or Bluray audio streaming services. (Both work fine in zone 1.) Any suggestions for what I may be doing incorrect? Thanks in advance for any help!

Zone 2 and 3 can only play back Analog sources, per page 33 of the Operating Instructions. If you have your cable box and/or BD device connected via a digital connection (HDMI, Optical, Coax), you will not be able to play them back via Zone 2 or 3.
post #3321 of 3519
Hi guys.
I've got a problem trying to record out to a Sony W500c cd recorder, and was hoping someone could help clue me in on the error of my ways.

I can, and have, recorded just fine from my cd player, but I'm new to this whole flash drive thing and can't seem to burn from the flash drive to the recorder....just can't get a signal/recording level on the unit.

I've tried both analog and optical inputs, and every input option combination on the front of the recorder, but no joy.

Is it even a capability to do this and I'm just not seeing it, or is it something that can't be done?

I'm heading in for my 12 hr nightshift, so I'll thank any and all that reply now and check back in later.

Don
post #3322 of 3519
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Originally Posted by gunsanplanes View Post

Hi guys.
I've got a problem trying to record out to a Sony W500c cd recorder, and was hoping someone could help clue me in on the error of my ways.

I can, and have, recorded just fine from my cd player, but I'm new to this whole flash drive thing and can't seem to burn from the flash drive to the recorder....just can't get a signal/recording level on the unit.

I've tried both analog and optical inputs, and every input option combination on the front of the recorder, but no joy.

Is it even a capability to do this and I'm just not seeing it, or is it something that can't be done?

I'm heading in for my 12 hr nightshift, so I'll thank any and all that reply now and check back in later.

Don

How do you have it connected?

I didn't see anything in the manual that specifically inhibits outputting music to a recording device when playing it from a USB, so it shouldn't be much different, if any different at all, from recording from any other device connected to the system.
post #3323 of 3519
While the flash drive is playing, it's coming out of the 23 via an optical cable to the recorder optical in. When I record from my Pioneer carousel cd player, this works, but not from the flash drive.
I changed the input selecor from optical to digital, no signal.
I change to analog, which also records fine from my cd player, no signal, and those are my only three options on the recorder for input.

Recap: both the optical and analog record from cd fine, neither work with the flash regardless of input selection mode.

Seems like it should be simple enough, and there are only so many hookup/input options to work with.

This isn't a big deal for me, but it'd be nice to figure out.

Thanks for considering my problem.

Don
post #3324 of 3519
A USB device is not technically an analog OR digital source, it is a USB source. Thus, there will be no output over the analog or digital outputs on the receiver when a USB device is in use.

If you wish to record from a USB-connected iPod, you will need to connect a Y-cable from the iPod's headphone jack to one of the analog inputs on the receiver, and use the analog output on the receiver to record. If your recordings are on a USB-only device, then you will need to find a different way to play them back into the receiver, likely by hooking the device up to a laptop or PC and then connecting the audio output of the laptop/PC to the receiver.
post #3325 of 3519
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Originally Posted by omegapoint View Post

Really, the manual says tv's speakers are the "only" way you can listen to it if your'e using hdmi to it. that sucks, I didn't buy my tv for its speakers either.

I'm confused about this. What are you talking about with regards to HDMI and the TV?

The manual specifically states that a TV can only receive audio via HDMI from the receiver, but cannot send audio to the receiver via HDMI. That's really all it says. I'm not sure what you're referring to, since my post was regarding HDMI pass-through in standby mode.
post #3326 of 3519
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Originally Posted by CR_Client View Post

A USB device is not technically an analog OR digital source, it is a USB source. Thus, there will be no output over the analog or digital outputs on the receiver when a USB device is in use.

If you wish to record from a USB-connected iPod, you will need to connect a Y-cable from the iPod's headphone jack to one of the analog inputs on the receiver, and use the analog output on the receiver to record. If your recordings are on a USB-only device, then you will need to find a different way to play them back into the receiver, likely by hooking the device up to a laptop or PC and then connecting the audio output of the laptop/PC to the receiver.

Well....I learn something new every day.
It's not an ipod, just a flash/thumb drive usb device.

I'll just live with it.

I thank you for eliminating me as the reason for this not working out.
post #3327 of 3519
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Originally Posted by CR_Client View Post

I'm confused about this. What are you talking about with regards to HDMI and the TV?

The manual specifically states that a TV can only receive audio via HDMI from the receiver, but cannot send audio to the receiver via HDMI. That's really all it says. I'm not sure what you're referring to, since my post was regarding HDMI pass-through in standby mode.

I guess I misinterpreted the last bullet pt. on page 24 since tv audio comes out my fr,bk, and cent. Now my problem is the MCACC thinks I have 7.1 while its only 5.1 and my sub won't sound. After a full auto trial I'm told
to check my connections but they're right and nothing out of my sub. Tried changing inputs but it won't give up side surrounds I don't have.
post #3328 of 3519
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Originally Posted by omegapoint View Post
I guess I misinterpreted the last bullet pt. on page 24 since tv audio comes out my fr,bk, and cent. Now my problem is the MCACC thinks I have 7.1 while its only 5.1 and my sub won't sound. After a full auto trial I'm told
to check my connections but they're right and nothing out of my sub. Tried changing inputs but it won't give up side surrounds I don't have.
The receiver doesn't care whether or not anything is hooked to the terminals to determine 5.1/6.1/7.1. It it completely dependent upon the "Surround Back Speaker Setting" that you have selected. The four options are: Normal (7.1), Speaker B (use those terminals for B speakers), Front Bi-amp (used to bi-amp front speakers), and Zone 2 (to create a powered Zone 2). If you absolutely don't want to use those terminals, and don't want the receiver to try to use them for anything, set them up as Speaker B. If you don't know how to check or change the setting, see page 91 in the manual.

As far as the sub, beyond the standard items of making sure that it's plugged in and powered on, if your front speakers are set to "Large", then the sub won't be used, unless the sub setting is set to "SW+" (also Page 91 of the manual).
post #3329 of 3519
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Originally Posted by CR_Client View Post

The receiver doesn't care whether or not anything is hooked to the terminals to determine 5.1/6.1/7.1. It it completely dependent upon the "Surround Back Speaker Setting" that you have selected. The four options are: Normal (7.1), Speaker B (use those terminals for B speakers), Front Bi-amp (used to bi-amp front speakers), and Zone 2 (to create a powered Zone 2). If you absolutely don't want to use those terminals, and don't want the receiver to try to use them for anything, set them up as Speaker B. If you don't know how to check or change the setting, see page 91 in the manual.

As far as the sub, beyond the standard items of making sure that it's plugged in and powered on, if your front speakers are set to "Large", then the sub won't be used, unless the sub setting is set to "SW+" (also Page 91 of the manual).


Thanks, that did it. On pg. 91 it says, speaker B: for listening in another room. So how is that different then setting up another Zone? And for "normal" it doesn't say that its restricted to 7.1, it says normal home theater use. I guess thats where I got thrown. The GUI now eliminates the side speakers and its all small and yes on the sub. Sounds like a million bucks. Klipsh across the front, Polk in the back and Bic H100 sub. I'm new to this and appreciate you sharing your expertise.
post #3330 of 3519
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Originally Posted by CR_Client View Post

For some people, the lack of Pass-through is like having someone pour broken glass on the seating surfaces in their home, and it completely ruins the entire experience for them, because it's too complicated or too energy inefficient to turn on the receiver to watch something 'simple' like the news.

Problem solved. No more glass on my a$$. Unfortunately my Onkyo 809 burns about 50-70W in standby mode but all is good here now and everyone is happy. The remote and menu kill the Pioneer. As for sound I would say it is marginally better than the Pio even with the extra power. Unfortunately I had a blown crossover board and tweeter in my R/F speaker from the Yama 867 audition, gutless wonder, so I await replacement parts. That is why I cannot fully compare the two. I am keeping the Pio as a backup for now until I fully break in the Onkyo when I get my parts, which BTW POLK is great about, though shipping is slow so I bought another pair of Monitor 40 speakers from Egg while I wait. I figure two Monitor 40s ought to be about the equivalent of Monitor 60s with an extra tweeter on each side. They should get here well before my replacement parts.

Edit: BTW, I can say my three subs sound better with the Onkyo and I have not even fully calibrated them. Much more punch. And my biggest fear has been set aside, the Onkyo does not click while watching cable TV and sound field sources change during commercials. Yay. Oh, and also the 809 is quite the beefy unit, bigger than the Elite though not necessarily better looking.
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