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post #3361 of 3519
Oh, while I am here in this very inactive thread, I just want to mention I have spent some time with my new Onkyo and can say that the Pioneer compares very favorably in the power department. Not as powerful but a tribute to a good amp design done without fans like the Onkyo. I believe I will keep the Pio because at reference level it sounds really good. May just use it as an amp so both the Onkyo and this one can loaf when I really get stupid.
post #3362 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

No, not in the AVR. Optical in is just that, a one way channel to the AVR. Yes, the mute button on the TV or turn the volume down is the only way I know.

Thanks Mike. What sucks is that there is seems to be no way for me to mute the TV (Samsung) without having the word "mute" appear on screen. Otherwise, I would just program a macro on my remote to mute the tv.
post #3363 of 3519
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Originally Posted by droopdog7 View Post

Question: I have been updating and adding new components over the past year and each time, it seems there is a small adjustment I need to make to my HT.
The latest addition is a Samsung LED, which is internet capable. Seeing as it is more convenient to stream from the TV, than my bluray, I moved the hard internet connection to the TV (besides, my bluray can still do wireless).
WhenI did that, I realized that I did not have any way to input audio directly from the TV to the receiver. To remedy this problem, I went with the only option I have, which is run a Toslink cable from the TV to the receiver (the port dedicated to TV/Sat).
Anyway, I have a fairly simple question. With my other components (i.e., bluray and sat box), the receiver automatically turns off the tv volume. That does not appear to be the case with my toslink connection.
Is there an option somewhere that can be adjusted for this?

I may not understand what you want to do, but if you want to turn off the TV speakers...
I just pulled the manual for the UN55D6050TFXZA and to turn off the TV speakers you select external speakers in the audio GUI.
This is pretty similar to the way my 6 year old Samsung DLP TV works too.
post #3364 of 3519
Hi there
I finally plugged in my old sony sacd player. I used the multi analog inputs as the sony didn't do hdmi way back then

I've read the manual and I'm not able to figure out if should apply the "sacd gain" (+6) option in the audio parameter section, or if I should do the " sw input gain" (+10) "multi in".

Not sure what to do here. Also wonder how the VSX 21 knows I'm playing a sacd. In other words am I supposed to go in and turn it off and on when using, or will it know not to apply the gain to other sources?

While I have you, I can't find in the manual how to switch between 6ohms and 8 ohms. I want to put it back to 8.

Thanks!
post #3365 of 3519
Has anyone had any issues with the VSX 23 and Cat5e -> HDMI balun's (extenders)? I've tried several brands into the Pioneer, and then out to the TV and none work. I get no signal. When plugged directly into the TV, the signal is great.
post #3366 of 3519
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Originally Posted by jackstrawphilly View Post

Hi there
I finally plugged in my old sony sacd player. I used the multi analog inputs as the sony didn't do hdmi way back then
I've read the manual and I'm not able to figure out if should apply the "sacd gain" (+6) option in the audio parameter section, or if I should do the " sw input gain" (+10) "multi in".
Not sure what to do here. Also wonder how the VSX 21 knows I'm playing a sacd. In other words am I supposed to go in and turn it off and on when using, or will it know not to apply the gain to other sources?
While I have you, I can't find in the manual how to switch between 6ohms and 8 ohms. I want to put it back to 8.
Thanks!

Don't know about the SACD.
Check page 40 in the manual (left column, middle) to change speaker impedance.
post #3367 of 3519
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Originally Posted by pcjackson06 View Post

Has anyone had any issues with the VSX 23 and Cat5e -> HDMI balun's (extenders)? I've tried several brands into the Pioneer, and then out to the TV and none work. I get no signal. When plugged directly into the TV, the signal is great.

If you use the same source and the same HDMI ports on the TV and the VSX-23 so you know there is not another setting messing things up...

If you connect source->HDMI->VSX23->HDMI->TV does this work ?
If you connect the same source->HDMI balun-> ethernet->HDMI balun->TV does this work ?

If both those setups work and source->HDMI balun->ethernet->HDMI balun->VSX-23->TV does not work (I am guessing) the HDCP is seeing the VSX-23 as a break in the handshake and will not pass HD content.
post #3368 of 3519
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post


Don't know about the SACD.
Check page 40 in the manual (left column, middle) to change speaker impedance.

Thanks!
post #3369 of 3519
No problem.
post #3370 of 3519
I guess everyone has upgraded to the next generation Pioneer receivers.
Except me. Mine is still doing a beautiful job.
post #3371 of 3519
Mine is still going good... touchwood on the remote power-on...
post #3372 of 3519
No issues here. Using mine as a Pre/Pro.
post #3373 of 3519
Those of you guys with the 23's, i believe these are very close to the VSX-LX52 in europe, australia etc...
I recently listened to a VSX-920, is the LX52 a big improvement sound quality wise over that ?
Trying to decide which one to go with, feature wise LX52 and 920 are quite similar and extra features that LX52 has are not that important to me.
post #3374 of 3519
Strange issue with my VSX-23; While watching the replay of the Pacquiao, Marquez fight last night, the sound just went dead. I can now get no sound from the television which is connected to HDMI 1. No settings were changed, the fight was playing just fine, and all of a sudden I heard a click, display changed from Digital to Stereo and then no sound from that on.

My PlayStation is connected to the front HDMI 4, and I'm still getting sound from that.

I've, tried changing HDMI cables, switching to the HDMI 2 and 3 connections and still get no sound from the television through Direct TV on any of them. Any thoughts or suggestions?
post #3375 of 3519
Having a rought time here trying to work on a sound issue. Changed the HDMI form AMP to THROUGH and now can't seem to change it back. When I press the MCACC button the HDMI THROUGH just flashes on the display.

I can't find, or understand the manual directions on how to switch it back to AMP, please, need a little help!
post #3376 of 3519
Press the reicever button then audio parameters button then arrow up until you see through then arrow over to change it to amp done
post #3377 of 3519
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Originally Posted by cheezit73 View Post

Press the reicever button then audio parameters button then arrow up until you see through then arrow over to change it to amp done

Thanks cheezit73, I'd tried doing that, here is what I get
Memory 1 (which is were is was) Up Arrow cycles through:
A DELAY
SACD GAIN
LFE
DUAL
DELAY
S-WAVE
EQ
And then back to Memory 1
This cycle continues, I no longer see HDMI to change back to AMP.

I have reset the Receiver (which I believe sets it back to AMP), and I now have sound, but I'm still not able to see that HDMI option on the Audio Parameters menu.

I guess I'm going to leave well enough alone, but this does have me baffled.
post #3378 of 3519
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Originally Posted by nelson57 View Post

Thanks cheezit73, I'd tried doing that, here is what I get
Memory 1 (which is were is was) Up Arrow cycles through:
A DELAY
SACD GAIN
LFE
DUAL
DELAY
S-WAVE
EQ
And then back to Memory 1
This cycle continues, I no longer see HDMI to change back to AMP.

I have reset the Receiver (which I believe sets it back to AMP), and I now have sound, but I'm still not able to see that HDMI option on the Audio Parameters menu.

I guess I'm going to leave well enough alone, but this does have me baffled.

That is so weird! That's the only way I know how to access it and I switch it all the time!
post #3379 of 3519
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Originally Posted by cheezit73 View Post

That is so weird! That's the only way I know how to access it and I switch it all the time!

I played around a little more, and the HDMI AMP now shows under the Parameter menu and is set to AMP. Not sure if this is what did it or not, but after going into setup and under the input section changed the 12 volt trigger under HDMI 1 to Main, I was able to see the option back on the menu.

Anyway I'm glad it's back, and I appreciate your input.
post #3380 of 3519
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Originally Posted by nelson57 View Post

I played around a little more, and the HDMI AMP now shows under the Parameter menu and is set to AMP. Not sure if this is what did it or not, but after going into setup and under the input section changed the 12 volt trigger under HDMI 1 to Main, I was able to see the option back on the menu.

Anyway I'm glad it's back, and I appreciate your input.

On Page 66 and 67 of the manual, it explains how to switch between THROUGH and AMP. It then has footnote "g", which states:
Code:
HDMI Audio setting cannot be switched while performing synchronized amp mode operations.
Looking back on Page 65, Synchronized Amp Mode is a function of KURO Link. If you ever get stuck in a similar situation in the future, those pages might help you get out of it. Gotta love KURO Link...
post #3381 of 3519
I've been noticing an issue with my VSX 21 playing Blurays in TrueHD 7.1

When I put in a BD with DTS-HD MA 7.1, such as Tron: Legacy or Captain America, the receiver reads it as 7.1 DTS-HD MA (I only have 5.1 channels set up, but the receiver reads it as 7.1.

When I play a title with TrueHD 7.1, such as Transformer: DOTM or Super 8, the receiver reads it as TrueHD, but only indicates 5.1 channels instead of 7.1. It still sounds alright, just wondering why it recognizes differently between the two formats.

Does anyone know why this is? the rest of my setup is a PS3 for playing BD titles and a Samsung 47' LED display. Thanks!
post #3382 of 3519
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior980 View Post

I've been noticing an issue with my VSX 21 playing Blurays in TrueHD 7.1

When I put in a BD with DTS-HD MA 7.1, such as Tron: Legacy or Captain America, the receiver reads it as 7.1 DTS-HD MA (I only have 5.1 channels set up, but the receiver reads it as 7.1.

When I play a title with TrueHD 7.1, such as Transformer: DOTM or Super 8, the receiver reads it as TrueHD, but only indicates 5.1 channels instead of 7.1. It still sounds alright, just wondering why it recognizes differently between the two formats.

Does anyone know why this is? the rest of my setup is a PS3 for playing BD titles and a Samsung 47' LED display. Thanks!

A 47-foot LED display, eh? Is there any reasonable distance to sit away from the screen to see it clearly?

It's neither an issue nor a bug. That's just what the bitstream signal tells it to display on the front of the unit.

Until the slim PS3's came out with the capability to bitstream the lossless audio, all that the receiver would display was "PCM" on the front, even though the PS3 was outputting a lossless signal via HDMI. Some people need the warm fuzzy feeling of seeing "TrueHD" or DTS-HD MA" on their display, while others are perfectly content seeing "PCM" and knowing that they still have lossless audio.

If you only have a 5.1 speaker setup, it doesn't matter whether it says "DTS-HD MA 7.1" or "DTS-HD MA" or "TrueHD" "TrueHD 7.1" or "TrueHD 97.6" on the front of the unit, you'll still be limited to 5.1 channels of sound, and the receiver will compensate thusly.
post #3383 of 3519
I'm a VSX-21txh owner. I've noticed that while playing a bluray I'm turning the volume up and above -12db for the center channel to get loud enough. The voicetrack is consistently too low, but the other sounds are quite loud. I tried adjusting the center channel volume higher, but that just increases the volume of the other effects. Is that normal? This is over 2 different speaker systems, def tech bp7006 setup with clr2002 center, and now a mythos 4 l/r, with a mythos three center. I always calibrate with MCACC.

thoughts?
post #3384 of 3519
Since it's just BD I would switch the video/audio to whatever else choice you have to see if the problem goes away. Just to make sure it's not a weird HDMI problem. Then I would look at the firmware on the BD player. They all seem to be updated quiet often with some weird issues.
post #3385 of 3519
Back with some more questions about my 9040.I've been trying to find the answer to this for a while.I've got a HTPC with among other things 2 dvd drives(one being a Blue Ray player) and a NVIDIA GTS 250 video card.I am connecting the HTPC to the 9040 via hdmi and then to tv.
The idea is to play ripped movies from the HTPC-the problem is I can only get stereo sound.The same is true playing the discs on the HTPC.I can get 5.1 sound using an optical cable but of course then there is no video.
I've tried many different softwares and settings .Does anyone have any suggestions beside dropping back 10 yards and punting?
post #3386 of 3519
Hello,
I am new to this thread. After reading much of it and deciphering through a lot of junk, I was interested in performing the firmware update. I have clicked on the link to the pioneer FAQ to get the firmware, however, I am not finding it on the website (since I am a new member, it will not allow me to post the link until I have made 3 post). Can anyone help me figure out how to download the latest firmware?

The link can be found on page 104 of this thread.
post #3387 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Indskyz View Post

Hello,
I am new to this thread. After reading much of it and deciphering through a lot of junk, I was interested in performing the firmware update. I have clicked on the link to the pioneer FAQ to get the firmware, however, I am not finding it on the website (since I am a new member, it will not allow me to post the link until I have made 3 post). Can anyone help me figure out how to download the latest firmware?

The link can be found on page 104 of this thread.

I found it by entering 9040 (basically a different model number for the 21TXH) into "Search this site", and pressing "Search". That took me to:

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/index.php...wares&type=AVR

There you can download firmware for various Pioneer AVRs.
post #3388 of 3519
Thanks to several people who have brought the firmware update to my attention.
Many thanks to the fine gentleman that has made it available to the general public.
I don't know if I will install it or not since the only annoyance I am having is HDCP error flashing when using the USB input for music with the TV turned off.
But its great to have it just in case I need it in the future
post #3389 of 3519
I am looking to purchase a B&K 200.5 to pair with my Pio VSX-23. Does anyone know if this pair will work? I don't know enough of the Pio's specs. Will the pre-outs have enough voltage output to work...if I'm asking this correctly.

Thanks
post #3390 of 3519
I am trying to hook up a set of turtlebeach x41 earphones to my VSX-23 via TOSlink output.

Currently i have the xbox, cable dvr, and WD live hub hooked to it via HDMI. I cant seem to get any output from the TOSlink output port.

Does this port only output a signal if there is a TOSlink input from these instead of HDMI? i am not seeing any configurations in the setup menu.

another option i thought might be if i could setup HDMI sound passthrough to the tv and use its TOSlink output...nogo on that either.

Any thoughts?
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