Sherwood R-972 User Thread - Page 48

My e-mail about the 3 and 6 dB curves got this response after the initial response from Jin...

"A new version of Trinnov 3dB and 6 dB is currently being tested and should be ready with in the next couple of weeks at which time will will have an announcement on the website."

Can someone pm me that has the 3 and 6 dB curves and the directions for loading them so I can run them in the interim?
Thanks,
Ted

It seems little strange that new work is being done now - unless they have a boatload of 972s to move...

can someone please send me 1.47i main and sub firmware! my 1.48 is making loud pops!

I suppose they are just tweaking stuff, ironing out problems, or fine tuning things.

It sure garners goodwill. In my recent experience, Sherwood's support has been considerably more responsive than Marantz's, for instance, and consumers remember stuff like this.

My numbers are the same except for DSP Flash (My R-972 came April 6th.). Also like you, I found 2 different sets of numbers. If I turn the knob clockwise or counterclockwise to DSP Flash from standby, I get 090318/020202. But, if I keep turning the knob till the cycle repeats, when I come back to DSP Flash, I get 090318/991119. Additionally from standby, if I start turning the knob in one direction and go in the opposite direction anytime before I come to DSP Flash, I never get the 090318/020202. Strange.

Anyone with 1.47 firmware? I tried emailing sherwood support but keep on getting kickbacks

I sure hope Jin is doing well... I have always enjoyed dealing with him.. Very personable man that really does try to make things right..

Has anyone used Re-Mastering feature on Sherwood? Any feedback on it?

I've tried it (casually) for a bit, but turned it off. I thought it made things a little sibilant, but it may have been in my head. I used it with Mog, which is already a rather high-quality stream. It may have a different effect on lower quality streams like Pandora or Spotify.

It's not a night and day difference. It seemed the same on my Marantz and I turned it off there as well.

At the end, I've decided that the enhancements like remastering and Night Mode do something to the sound that I prefer was not done. So I turn them off.

Funny, but I find the Trinnov Optimizer (3D on) helps the R-972 to be really easy to listen to at very low volumes, with dialog remarkably clearly audible. I find it noticeably better than what I experienced with Audissey XT, with either or both Dynamic EQ or Dynamic Volume engaged. I had tested both with the phone conversation at the beginning of Contagion and the song in the car at the beginning of State of Play, and the clarity of the R-972 with Trinnov 3D engaged was remarkable. I have settled to using the Music setting in my TV room, since it gives a nicer sense of expansion/envelopment compared to Cinema.

Does anyone have Sherwood working email or phone number, ive been calling but all communication is out of service

Sherwood is presently making some changes in their customer service. I have a call with them Friday, and may have some news then.

Cheers,

My experience is exactly same. The vocals and clarity at lower volumes is indeed good. Not sure if this is a design feature or I am just imagining things.

I have been using Music setting from beginning, mainly because of +/- 30 deg front angles.

Good afternoon,

I am becoming very interested in getting this unit and have a few questions for you owners. Please answer whichever one you can. I am trying to decide whether or not getting this unit a an upgrade for me.

For background info, I have never had a HDMI- or Room Correction-capable receiver Main gears are an Oppo-83SE, a Bryston SP1.7 pre/pro => Aragon 3005 amp => Paradigm Studio 100's v2, CC v2, and ADP v2. The sub setup is SMS-1 => EP2500 power amp => DIY dipole dodecasub. Apparently, this unit will replace the Bryston SP1.7 if I decide to buy it. So, these are the questions:

1) Do any of you still listen to 2Ch in analog-bypass mode with Trinnov disabled?

2) This 2nd question is very subjective but please answer it anyway. If the answer to question #1 is no and you used to listen to 2Ch in analog-bypass mode with your previous pre/pro, What kind of difference/improvement are you getting/hearing/feeling (the subjectivity) now? Please, state what the replaced pre/pre or receiver was.

3) If you were using SMS-1 or Antimode, did you remove it from the system after getting this unit?

4) Is the LFE output from this unit strong enough to drive such amp as the EP2500 by using a simple RCA->XLR converter?

5) Can I learn all the discrete codes from the accompanying remote or do I have to get the hex codes from somewhere? Where would that be (I've searched and searched)?

Thanks a lot.

I kept my SMS1 in but only so I didn't have to deal with RCA to XLR and splitting the signal for multiple subs.

I haven't seen the hex codes anywhere but you can get the serial codes in a spreadsheet from Sherwood. Perhaps they have the hex codes too. For what it's worth, the serial codes in the URC database were incorrect.

I had an Antimode and removed it. As far as I can tell, there was no more need for it.

My MX-700 remote was able to learn from the stock remote.

Thanks Twells and Cschang. I am 'integration' ready
You did not answer the first question so I suppose your answers would be no. Hopefully more people will chime in.

Cheers,

Well, I listen to 2.0 and 2.1, but not via analog.

Ah, I see. If HDMI is the way to go then I could 'downgrade' my Oppo 83SE to a 93.

I just got a copy of the manual and looking at the remote picture made me laugh. The name of the "STANDBY" button got me puzzled for a second there Anyway, discrete power and input buttons are there and can be learned so I am good to go in this regard. Thanks again.

Hello,
Given the amazing price at AC4L and just how good Trinnov is, I do think it is a good buy. However, the Remote Control is laughable for a $1800 MSRP AVR. When I use my 972, I actually use my Onkyo TX-NR3008 Remote as it can learn all of the essential buttons of the 972. Otherwise, I would recommend getting a Harmony or other Universal Remote Control as the 972's is useless when it comes to controlling other Sources.
Cheers,
AD

Hi AD,

I do have a couple of MX-800's so no problems there. The only thing I am struggling with is deciding if you live with or get around the quirks that have been talked about. I am going to read this whole thread again(!) in making that decision. The urge to try out a new toy is killing me, though.

Regards,

This is probably not a fair question because of subjectivity and personal preference. Nonetheless I was wondering if it would be worth-while purchasing the 972 at this sub-$600 price range. Presently I have a Pioneer SC 25, Ascend speakers (LCR) and a very small A-V room (12 x 11). Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I walked downstairs to my home theater the other night and heard a low level thumping at maybe 5 sec. intervals. After some searching I discovered it was coming from my sub-woofer which should have been turned off.

It has an on-off-auto power switch. With my other receiver when I turned it off the sub recognized that there was no input and shut down (auto). With the R-972 in Standby..the sub does not shut off when set to auto. It seems to be getting some type of input from the receiver causing it to stay turned on and making the thumping.

I have other approaches to automatically turning the sub off, but was wondering if anyone else had seen this problem?

Thanks,
Bob

Yes, but my subs are not always on when I check them.Sometimes they are off, you touch any button on the remote they turn on, even though the 972 is off.I can check them and they may be on or off when the 972 is off, don't know why?? It's obvious the 972 has an electrical issue of some type to send a signal to subs even when in standby.

From standby if I touch any remote button the subs thump??

Quick question, when i load new bass slopes +3 or +6 db their is no need for recalibration right? Just load and a simple off and on?

Thanks

Straight from Curt's mouth/keyboard:

USB curves change the relative bass level (not correction) in run time, thereby not requiring a re-cal after update. The USB curve then is equally applied to all 3 POSITIONS.

Check out Curt's R972 Trinnov User Notes, it's a must read before start setting the R-972 up.

Long time owner of a P-965, just ordered one of these to put in the gf's ht. If it sounds as good as is being said will have to order another for my ht!

Looks like a lot of reading for me before it comes! also posted over in the Trinnov thread.

Yes, something weird here. I would ocassionally get something like a feedback loop between the remote and sub without even pushing a button or perhaps just after pushing one. Moving the remote in space would alter the tone. I took the batteries out of it after i got everything setup

I still get a slight thump at power up.

Grats JBJR,
The 972 sounds great, it does have some issues that i not sure your gf will be tolerant of. It is not really a plug and play reciever like something newer might be. But if she values sound quality over a few minor issues she will love it.

I have some some listening in analog-bypass mode and I will give it my thoughts although my speakers JBL 3677s are a bit lacking for critical 2 channel listening. I have an older pair of Apogee hybrids that would be more revealing but I haven't had a chance to use them with the 972.

First although there are mulitple analog inputs, it seems that only the 7.1 analog inputs are truly using a bypass mode. I am using a Pioneer fd51 bluray with wolfson 8740 dacs. The sound is clean and detailed, even more so than the internal dacs on the 972. I have 3 different inputs set up to run 3 different modes on the FD51, Video HDMI for multichannel, CD optical for 2.1 with Trinnov engaged, and the 7.1 input for 2 channel analog bypass. Comparing the analog with 2.1 Trinnov, the Trinnov sounds rich and full and the soundstage in much more in your face. The analog gives you more detail.

Previous setup was a Emo LMC/LPA combo. It sounded fine in analog bypass mode but I would rate it's dacs below the 972 and the FD51 in sound quality. From my memory I believe the 972 analog sounds slightly more detailed than the Emo but no head to head comparison was ever done.

The real fun with the 972 is using Trinnov with multichannel. I spend less time listening to 2 channel than I did before.

I just checked mine...the sub was off.

When turning the R-972 on, the sub immediately turns on (I mean immediate, almost the same instant), and I get a very low level thump.

Leaving the sub on, and turning the R-972 on results in the same low level thump.

So the R-972 must be sending some kind of signal. With what I am experiencing, it does not seem to be a problem, and in fact, it could be viewed as a good thing to have the sub turn on right away.