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post #1711 of 2707
7/11/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by scott911 View Post

many have suggested they were told by Sherwood a firmware update would be coming? - did any of those folks actually get one?

I was told the update would be out by the end of May and because of that I did not return my receiver. I honestly doubt this thing will ever be updated again despite what sherwood says.
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post #1712 of 2707
7/11/12 at 3:28pm
Either Sherwood is confusing updates with other models or they just don't have a clue what they are talking about.I think the fact that they haven't offered an update since 2010 pretty much shows that they have no intention to fix any of the remaining issues.If they are even fixable with a firmware update.These unit are and have always been beta and that's why they are being dumped at these prices.You can either live with it's limitations/flaws or not.If it weren't for the spatial mapping I would have never held on to it for as long as I've had it and I'm still on the fence on whether I'll keep it in the long run.I still need to try other things before I decide.

I also found the issue I was having with loading the bass files was due to my other thumb drive being FAT32 formatted.I borrowed another thumb drive which was FAT16 formatted and the file loaded.The unit said "updating" then it finally said "update OK". The weird thing is I can't tell if there is any difference with the +6dB file.I don't know if it actually worked properly.I'm going to try later to load it again and see if I can hear any difference.
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post #1713 of 2707
7/11/12 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by StevenLansing View Post

I also found the issue I was having with loading the bass files was due to my other thumb drive being FAT32 formatted.I borrowed another thumb drive which was FAT16 formatted and the file loaded.The unit said "updating" then it finally said "update OK". The weird thing is I can't tell if there is any difference with the +6dB file.I don't know if it actually worked properly.I'm going to try later to load it again and see if I can hear any difference.
For me, as well as others, the difference was clearly audible, and verified with measurement. In fact, for me, the 6dB was a bit much, so I dialed back the gain the sub amp a tad.
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post #1714 of 2707
7/11/12 at 11:52pm
I can definitely hear a difference with the +6db boost file and measure it as well with my SMS-1.

I should mention though that the 6db boost worked when I did my first calibration after a factory reset. Every other consecutive calibration the boost was missing and I was not able to add it back in until I did another factory reset and another calibration. Not only could I hear that bass was missing but I could measure it as well. Now if I am going to do a new calibration I just automatically do a factory reset and re-load the 6db bass file, it's a bit of a pain as I have to re-do all of my settings but it makes a big difference for me.

Just an added note: the only reason I am doing so many calibrations is I am trying out different configurations before I have the room wired. I really hate doing calibrations but I want to make sure I have it right so I don't have to re-do something later.

I also lost control of my remote and had to unplug the 972 for 10 seconds to regain control back. The 972 has some serious quirks but the spatial imaging is addictive. Makes the quirks worth putting up with until there is a better solution without spending the serious dough for the ADA.
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post #1715 of 2707
7/12/12 at 1:36pm
Yep, the +6dB boost is clearly audible for me as well.

It is true that the R-972 is more finicky than some other equipment. But once set up, it works well and the room EQ is better than others I've heard, including Audyssey, plus the 3D feature is just amazing.

I love Trinnov, although not to the point where I'd spend the $$$$ on the ADA. biggrin.gif

Really hope it gets into more mainstream (and hopefully slimmer, Class D) equipment. Until then, the R-972 is da bomb.
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post #1716 of 2707
7/15/12 at 6:12pm
Does the sherwood has any filter that will map DTS-HDMA 5.1 sources to 7.1, besides Trinnov remap? When its in HDMA, I can't select any other filter by the multi-control knob.
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post #1717 of 2707
7/15/12 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by adude View Post

Does the sherwood has any filter that will map DTS-HDMA 5.1 sources to 7.1, besides Trinnov remap? When its in HDMA, I can't select any other filter by the multi-control knob.
The table on page 39 of the manual shows that it cannot. So you'd have to have the DTS HDMA decoded in the BD player in order to apply PLIIx.
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post #1718 of 2707
7/16/12 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The table on page 39 of the manual shows that it cannot. So you'd have to have the DTS HDMA decoded in the BD player in order to apply PLIIx.

Now you tell me smile.gif

Do you mean decoded to LPCM or via the analog outputs?
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post #1719 of 2707
7/20/12 at 12:03pm
Does using a phantom center with the 972 cause dynamic range compression per below?
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Not sure how it works on today's modern AVR's but back not long ago it was known that Dolby decoders would apply dynamic compression when or if the center channel and/or subwoofer channel was not used.
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

I use an HTPC and forgot about that. I never could figure out if it was tied to the decoders or just to the receiver offering Dolby Dynamic Range Compression. I think for some receivers it still happened even when decoding DTS-HD.
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post #1720 of 2707
7/20/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Does using a phantom center with the 972 cause dynamic range compression per below?
Because AVRs have to support phantom center regardless of the source codec, Dolby, DTS, PCM, that is all done downstream of the decoder. So there is no compression from the DD decoder. It does not know that any downmixing is being done.
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post #1721 of 2707
7/21/12 at 12:37pm
Does anyone know the code for a DirecTV receiver/remote to control the 972?

I am trying to control the volume on the 972 using the volume control on my DirecTV remote control.

I tried all the codes listed by DirecTV for both Sherwood Newcastle and for Sherwood.

Thanks.
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post #1722 of 2707
7/21/12 at 8:26pm
Good, thanks
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Because AVRs have to support phantom center regardless of the source codec, Dolby, DTS, PCM, that is all done downstream of the decoder. So there is no compression from the DD decoder. It does not know that any downmixing is being done.
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post #1723 of 2707
7/22/12 at 7:33pm
Can someone point me to the proper adapter to connect the R972 Trinnov mic to a microphone stand? The adapter I've got is way too large in diameter.

Thanks.
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post #1724 of 2707
7/22/12 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by Brucemck2 View Post

Can someone point me to the proper adapter to connect the R972 Trinnov mic to a microphone stand? The adapter I've got is way too large in diameter.
Thanks.
I use a camera tripod, so camera mount adapter would work.
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post #1725 of 2707
7/22/12 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by Brucemck2 View Post

Can someone point me to the proper adapter to connect the R972 Trinnov mic to a microphone stand? The adapter I've got is way too large in diameter.
Thanks.

This is what I use: http://www.amazon.com/CM01-Camera-Digital-Recorder-Adapter/dp/B001GWCC4I/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1343020875&sr=8-8&keywords=camera+tripod+mount attached to this: http://www.amazon.com/Stage-Stands-MS7701-Tripod-Microphone/dp/B000978D58/ref=pd_sim_MI_6
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post #1726 of 2707
7/23/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Brucemck2 View Post

Can someone point me to the proper adapter to connect the R972 Trinnov mic to a microphone stand? The adapter I've got is way too large in diameter.

If I'm reading your post right, you already have a stand, and just want an adapter. Right?

Microphone stands tend to have two sizes of stud diameter: 3/8" and 5/8". So measure your stand, if you have one. The mounting hole on the Trinnov mike is 1/4", which is standard for small cameras.

The stand I use (the one that came with my Anthem MRX 300's ARC kit) has a 3/8" stud, so I bought a simple screw adapter with a 3/8" female end and 1/4" male end. I think it was $8 shipped on eBay from a US-based seller (eBay item # 320847313424).

If your stand has a larger stud, you could use the adapter mjaudio posted above. Maybe there's a 3/8" version of that one, too, if you want the ball joint.
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post #1727 of 2707
7/25/12 at 8:42pm
Hello everyone, I'm thinking of buying on the site accesoriesforless.com any of these 3 models, denon avr-3312ci ($ 600 factory refurbished), Denon AVR-2312ci ($ 450 factory refurbished ), Sherwood R-972 ( brand new $ 600). in the description of R-972 indicate that it has hdmi 1.4 (3D support) and has the latest firmware, this may be correct? I am no expert but I value more the sound quality that the function airplay, which is better r-972 or Denon models?

smile.gif Greetings from Mexico .
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post #1728 of 2707
7/26/12 at 3:12pm
The 972 passes 3D video in bypass mode and doesn't include the other features of the 1.4 HDMI spec.
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post #1729 of 2707
8/7/12 at 9:48am
:DHi all, got mine from ac4l with free ship last week. It has its quirks, but the sq is just amazing. It's a keeper for me
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post #1730 of 2707
8/7/12 at 3:17pm
Why was my post deleted? I guess I'm not allowed to describe the R-972 as anything but sonic bliss apparently:rolleyes:
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post #1731 of 2707
8/7/12 at 3:30pm
I also wondered what happened to your post since I read it in my e-mail and then couldn't find it in the thread..?!?

And no, of-course you can't say a Lex is better than a Sherwood..tongue.gif
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post #1732 of 2707
8/7/12 at 8:45pm
Steven......I am not sure where your post went. I read the post also and now its not here. I am starting to wonder on the 972.

I have not bought mine yet and with a few "quirks," I am wondering if those quirks are going to annoy me or not. I was looking at buying a Denon 3312 instead but still wanted to try the trinnov EQ. The 972 option is the only option but an expensive purchase if the quirks are annoying.

So that being said what are the bad things going for the 972?


I am not trying to compare the Denon to it. It is just a model I liked that had preouts for all the chnnels and the latest version I could afford. I would love to save for the TEQ-12 but thats not going to happen for ...well 4 ever.frown.gif
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post #1733 of 2707
8/7/12 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by StevenLansing View Post

Why was my post deleted? I guess I'm not allowed to describe the R-972 as anything but sonic bliss apparently:rolleyes:

A moderator slapped your hand, not permitted to advertise items for sale anyplace other than the classified's section. I am surprised they didn't send you a warning, they warned me in a different thread, that's the only reason I know what happened to you biggrin.gif
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post #1734 of 2707
8/7/12 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

Steven......I am not sure where your post went. I read the post also and now its not here. I am starting to wonder on the 972.
I have not bought mine yet and with a few "quirks," I am wondering if those quirks are going to annoy me or not. I was looking at buying a Denon 3312 instead but still wanted to try the trinnov EQ. The 972 option is the only option but an expensive purchase if the quirks are annoying.
So that being said what are the bad things going for the 972?
I am not trying to compare the Denon to it. It is just a model I liked that had preouts for all the chnnels and the latest version I could afford. I would love to save for the TEQ-12 but thats not going to happen for ...well 4 ever.frown.gif

If your a patient person then the 972 is a no brainer, not patient then move on. It's quirks are a video scaler that should be by-passed, a remote that's horrible, a 4 second mute when changing surround formats, sometimes selecting a input and no video then having to select another then back for a signal lock, doing a factory reset each time a new Trinnov calibration is done to ensure a proper calibration and probably a few more that I have not experienced yet. With all that said once you do a proper Trinnov calibration the 3D re-mapping is like nothing you can get from any other automated EQ on the market.

For movies I think the 972 is outstanding as the 3d re-mapping really engulfs you in the soundtrack and the dialog clarity is off the map. For music I thinks it's pretty good but lacks a little detail and separation compared to the Onkyo 5508 with XT32 that I compared it to. XT32 I feel is a better EQ, at least in the sub channel were I have measured both. It lacks the 3D re-mapping though which really sets Trinnov apart IMO, with 3D you will have a hard time locating your speakers in a completely dark room, they all just blend together so naturally.
Edited by mjaudio - 8/8/12 at 10:35am
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post #1735 of 2707
8/7/12 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by StevenLansing View Post

Why was my post deleted? I guess I'm not allowed to describe the R-972 as anything but sonic bliss apparently:rolleyes:

It had nothing to do with you not liking the R-972 either.

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Originally Posted by StevenLansing 
I've decided after multiple back and forths between the R-972 and the MC-12/Audyssey stand alone boxes,to sell the R-972.My experiences with the R-972 mirrors mjaudio's when it comes to the sound quality differences between the two set-ups.Music sounds better to me on the MC-12/Audyssey.There is better separation and low level clarity that is lacking with the R-972.It also lacks the sheer dynamics and bass weight that I'm used to with the MC-12 /Audyssey combo,on both movies and music.I also can more easily be fooled by ambient sounds that seem to be coming from outside my room when it's actually coming from the soundtrack that I'm hearing with the MC-12/SEQ.The Sherwood just doesn't fool me into thinking I'm hearing sounds from outside or somewhere else.I always know it's coming from the soundtrack.

I just can't bring myself to giving up those sonic attributes just to gain the superior remapping that Trinnov provides.I also modified my target curve on the SEQ and the tonal characteristic now better matches with what I was hearing with the Trinnov when it came to the vocals being smoother vs. more sibilant and edgy with Audyssey before I changed the target curve to where it is now.The R-972 doesn't sound bad, but to me the MC-12/Audyssey just sounds better overall minus the benefit of Trinnov's excellent remapping feature.

I was really hoping that the R-972 would be a very close sonic match to the MC-12(especially since it's an over ten yr old platform now!) but its just not in the same league in overall sound quality( IMHO) and it was probably wishful thinking on my part to think that it could, even though I read many reviews that talked about it's overall sound quality being very good.I have no doubt in my mind that the MC-12 matched with a Trinnov standalone would be the icing on the cake for me.I just don't think I could ever afford one.It took me yrs. of aquiring to get my system to where it is now.I could only afford the MC-12 because I got it used with a great deal on it from a dealer at the time.It took me sometime before I had the funds to be able to afford the SEQ which I had to pay full price for.The SubEQ was bought used,but in new condition for a really good price at the time, so as you can see, I can't afford these types of boxes when they are new and I like to spend my money on high quality components when I can.

See, no advertising and your home free wink.gif
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post #1736 of 2707
8/8/12 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I think you have a 30 day return window for the 972 so you can see for your-self if you can live with the quirks, someone please correct me if I am wrong on the return policy.

I was interested in the R-972 awhile back and contacted A4L regarding their return policies. I was told if the R-972 I bought had issues when used in my system I could return it for a full return. I was concerned about the audio delay with cable and if that was an issue for me a return would be justified. If you return the R-972 because you do not like the way it sounds or you do not like the OSD a restocking fee is charged.

Bill
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post #1737 of 2707
8/8/12 at 4:43am
My current Denon has quirks that I dont like because of something else faulty. If I select a different input at times the audio does not come through for a few seconds and sometimes longer. I just select tuner and go back or use my computer to select an audio track and it kicks on. Not sure what it is but if everything works then I might just stick with the 972.

3d mapping is why I want to try it. The other biggest fear is the subwoofer eq. I would rather it did nothing and I could adjust everything with the Minidsp. Is this still do-able?

I am slowly building my subwoofers up so I can have the full 3-120hz spectrum I want . But i dont want the Trinnov to detroy what I have been trying to do. Now the rest of the speakers I hope it works its magic.

Has anyone used an Ipad or smartphone to control there 972?

Oh and living in Australia I am going to have to take the risk and hopefully just be happy with it. I am not paying for shipping twice just for a return. PLUS they are supposed to only sell within the USA.
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post #1738 of 2707
8/8/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

Oh and living in Australia I am going to have to take the risk and hopefully just be happy with it. I am not paying for shipping twice just for a return. PLUS they are supposed to only sell within the USA.

They are a bit difficult but at the same time very helpful...smile.gif Your credit card must be issued/made in the USA. Don't know why...?!? I actually first paid with my Swedish VISA, they received the money but cancelled my order and sent the money back...come on..
But bank transfer worked though.

And you must have an us address. I used a freight forwarder who provides me with a personal, valid, address. I'm sure you have similar options in Australia.
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post #1739 of 2707
8/8/12 at 8:58am
Not sure if my US issued CC with an Australian address will work but I have a forwarding company I use and I am a USA citizen living in Australia.
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post #1740 of 2707
8/8/12 at 10:10am
hello

decided by the r-972, A4lees clarified that Sherwood problems have been corrected and that if they have hdmi 1.4. when I receive it I share opinion. a4lees does not ship internationally, shipping is more taken by an intermediary.

brand new, irresistible price $ 599, free shipping, free end caps, wow! eek.gif

example of prices in mexico:

  Denon 3312ci $ 2.600 usd mad.gif
  Denon 2112ci $ 1.650 usd mad.gif

why I prefer to buy in the united states and pay shipping. cool.gif
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