Sherwood R-972 User Thread - Page 63

Anyone should be free to speak/post, whatever he/her likes to say, no matter if positive or negative as long as she/he follows the rules of this forum.
Or should this thread be characterized as "promotional" ?

gurkey, I agree, and Steven has posted about his experience with the R-972...very well documented in fact.

For his recent posts, I, in turn, posted what I thought of them. His conclusion from looking at pictures of the R-972 took the cake...especially after Jeff corrected him. That, in itself, shows that he is being less than factual. gurkey, I have read many of your posts, and factual is something I know you appreciate.

And if you have read this thread, with all the problems/issues people have run into, there is no way you can call it promotional.

I tend to disagree to a point. And I'm stating such based on the fact I just received a (brand new) defective R-972. If you have an issue sure post away once or twice. At that time your point is well known and further postings only come across as vindictive. If your opinion is well regarded it will be represented by many members with the same experience. Continual posting only creates noise and often leads to having one added to the ignore list. Or having your opinion dismissed which is exactly what I did in this case having read virtually the entire thread before purchasing the unit.

Pwiss, glad to hear they are taking care of it. IMO, 90 day warranties are still useful. In my experience, problems that crop up often are in the first few weeks anyway.

so guys do i run away from this unit like the plague or brace it with warm arms? the a4l price seems very good to gamble unless i'm throwing my money away. what are the most common issues? i've heard of the lip sync issue,anything else i need to be aware of? thank you...

Plan on getting a Harmony remote control if you do not already have one. For sound quality alone, the unit compared really well with my Onkyo 5508 pre+Oulaw amps. However, I had to take it out of the system due to it's unfriendliness to family users:-( For the price on a4l, it's not much of a gamble, if you do not mind some quirks.

Agreed...I use a Home Theater Master remote, and programmed a few macros. The R-972's remote is deep drawer storage.

I have no problems with lip-syncing, but do have the codec syncing issues when there is a break in the codec...and it takes about 3 seconds to sync back up again. For me, it doesn't happen often enough when watching TV to be annoying, but for others I'm sure it is.

I don't know where you are coming up with all these conclusions.Being happy with the R-972 doesn't make anyone a liar.I don't have a weird set-up that you keep mentioning.It's a 5.1 ITU set-up(which Trinnov's speaker angle results confirmed)with studio monitors.If that's weird then maybe your the liar.I connect the R-972 with the MC-12 and I also used the R-972 by itself.I ended up with the same sonic results in both cases.Even though you and others kept concluding that the MC-12 was causing the issues.Even Curt said that it was a good idea to try to connect the two.


Your jumping to conclusions.I'm not bad mouthing the R-972.I'm pointing out that it's not the best solution for everyone.Weren't you the one who was talking about how Audyssey XT32 was a better overall Room EQ than Trinnov and how your Onkyo was much better at music than the Sherwood?I wouldn't consider those comments to be "bitter" or a result of frustration,but somehow that's the conclusion that comes from my comments.


Yes,Jeff informed that the R-972 and R-965 aren't identical designs.My observations came from those pictures and the quotes from this review and Jeff also just pointed out the A/D section. I made a boo boo,now keep calling me a liar and bitter because of it:rolleyes:

"The choice of the rather noisy and slow 4558 op amp for the post-DAC
balanced-to-single-ended converter and reconstruction filter seems
strange given the intentions of this product. This op amp and the choice
of DAC are a large step down from those used in Sherwood’s previous
R-965."

Analog downgrades from the R-965

"Compromises were made elsewhere in
the unit, such as use of the Renasas chip. The TI chips perform sample rate
conversion for jitter reduction [the R-965 used a separate Analog
Devices chip prior to the DACs], although it is unclear whether jitter is
reduced."
"The power amp is less capable than that in the R-965; the R-972’s
output transistors cannot deliver as much continuous current, and only
one voltage follower precedes the output device. The push-pull second
voltage-gain stage is gone, as are the current sources for both voltage gain
stages — the load for the second gain-stage is a boot strapped resistor."
Edited by StevenLansing - 11/28/12 at 3:55pm

Nope. I just wouldn't trust buying a refurb off Ebay.At least your experience is positive.

That's the way it always seems to be on these forums.If you point out the issues of a product it's only a matter of time before the fanboys think you trying to piss on their parade.I don't even know why time is being wasted trying to debate it.

Someone just had to shoot their mouth off and derail the whole thing.Let's just squash it and let people get back to their discussions.

Then what do you call "hype"? That is the word you used.

My conclusion was that some of the problems you were having were because of your configuration. Sure, Curt said to try, but it doesn't mean it would work....of course you know that.

I wasn't calling you a liar. I was pointing out how dumb it was to look at pictures and come to a conclusion. No where did you reference a review. "bitter"...be more original.
Wrong again. What issues have you been pointing out? Charles doesn't have a working unit, and you want to categorize him as a fanboy?
Edited by cschang - 11/28/12 at 3:44pm

I pointed out the issues that I had with these units before and I don't need to point out every piece of information that I gather about a product to make a comment.

I think we both know who the Fanboys are and I don't know where your coming up with Charles's name,but I would appreciate it it if you would stop trying to antagonize by doing exactly that.

Your just trying to validate yourself by discrediting me.I really don't care to listen to any more of it.Let's just squash it!

Yes...you pointed out the issues before. What have you been pointing out since? Read your posts in the last few pages or so.

Who are the fanboys? People that like the unit?

Validating me? No. Discrediting you? Somewhat, but more so pointing out that you have some sort of bias against the unit, which is fair (your trial with two units is well documented), but also not being very constructive as of late. It is also strange that you don't view your posts as antagonistic, but you think I am.

Where are your quotes coming from?

I think the quotations are from David Rich's review of the R-972.

Jeff

Ah, BAS, right? I need to get ahold of that.

Does anyone know if they still sell preprints?

Jeff,

In your opinion do you think a separate amp (A965 for example) would be a big enough improvement in sound quality for a small sized room to justify the cost? I was relatively impressed in the power output of the R972 in comparison to my 140 watt per channel with all channels driven Pioneer 59TXI.

I did say that I felt the 5508 with XT32 was better for music once or twice on this thread, not over and over again or making snide remarks. You have not only beaten a dead horse you have nailed it into the ground, we get it already.

I am going to drop it from here, I am sure no one wants the bickering to continue and I respect that.

I'm not Jeff, but I own both boxes (R-972, A-965, though admittedly the R-972 is just sitting right now and my main system runs off an Anthem receiver).

Unless your speakers are extraordinarily inefficient or you like to really blow your eardrums out, the answer is no.

The R-972 delivers about 450W RMS, total, into 8 ohms. For most this is sufficient and no outboard amplifier is required. If you have 4 ohms speakers and especially if their impedance drops significantly below 4 ohms, I think adding the A-965 would be worthwhile. The A-965 delivers roughly 3 times the power of the R-972 into 4 ohms and even more if the impedance falls below 4.

Jeff

Jeff is correct, it's from the BAS David Rich review.I believe they still sell reprints.PM me if you need further info on purchasing the reprint.

I promise I won't be as they say snide:D

cschang made the snide remark.Apparently you two are clueless.

Steven...so bitter. Do you have anything helpful to say in the thread? Just upset that you couldn't find happiness with the R-972 in your weird application?


My comments are fine.Just because you don't like the way in which they were typed doesn't mean that they are snide.People will avoid buying these units without a warranty.That's a fact.The Sherwood is quirky.That's a fact. C'mon get a clue!

And you have mentioned your opinions numerous times.Just like I have.Don't be a hypocrite.

Yes,like I said this should have been squashed a long time ago.You two just keep reaching,trying to strum up a cheerleading squad for your pointless argument that didn't need to be brought up to begin with.I can discuss and comment about anything I want on here.That's also a fact.

Just finished installing my 972. I wanted to verify sound quality without
Trinnov so I set distance and crossovers. Started to watch something
and watched almost the whole movie. Nice and effortless. This replaces
a Denon 4800/5200 combo with an Oppo 83 doing the decoding using ext. in.
I could live with this 972 receiver even without Trinnov.

Noticed the movie lacked in bass so I kicked it up in the trim levels.
Ran test tones and no subs. I have 2. I watched most of a movie with no subs?
Reset the 972 but still no subs. Manual says you have to set Trinnov to
none to be able to do manual speaker settings. This is not an option in
my setup menu. Also I am unable to cycle my sub on/off in the setup menu.

Do I need to run Trinnov first before attempting a manual non Trinnov setting?
I have read all the forums and did not see this mentioned.

Suggestions?

Thank you
Steve Sewell

P.S. Really looking forward to Trinnov. I run an Audyssey processor in my
car(Mazdaspeed MX5) and I am anxious to hear my room.
Edited by tr4a - 11/29/12 at 8:29pm

It is in the Input Setup section of the setup menu. Select an input to configure, goto page 3, set Trinnov position to None.

It is in the Input Setup section of the setup menu. Select an input to configure, goto page 3, set Trinnov position to None.[/quote]

Curtis thanks for the quick reply. Just tried it
but the cursor skips over all of the Trinnov settings.

Steve

Hmm...then maybe you do have to run through a Trinnov setup.

Yes, you have to run the Trinnov set-up before you can be able to set EQ to none.It needs to have a calibration in memory for any of those EQ selections to work.

Thank you Steven.

I was just trying to verify my connections
before I run Trinnov

Steve

I received my refurb 972 yesterday. Visually I cannot see any wear other than a slight blemish on the remote. I did not have a lot of time to play with it, but I did manage to get it installed in my rack and wired up. I ran the speaker calibration test once, but then realized the RCA cable for the left surround's pre-out was not plugged in all the way, and that obviously influenced the speaker calibration

Hopefully this weekend I'll get to do a proper Trinnov calibration. I do have some questions, however:

1) I assume there's no OSD other than the setup menu? In other words, I cannot get info like what audio mode I may be in, or info on the input, etc, on my screen (not a deal breaker, just wanted to confirm).

2) Are there explicit IR codes to select surround modes? For example, I may want to program an activity on my harmony remote to select a source and select a specific surround mode (like Dolby PLIIx). Admittedly I have not checked the Harmony database, but I thought I'd ask here.

3) For the +3 and +6DB bass boost curves, are these to boost the subwoofer only? Of course that should be the intent if you have a sub, but if you don't (like me, for now), I am wondering if that would be applied to my main speakers.

Thanks!

You too? I've been running the first-gen Alpine Audyssey box (H650?) in my Miata (2001SE) for a while, too.

Are you using my "augmented widebander" approach to your door speakers, or a more conventional setup?