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post #2101 of 2617
1/31/13 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Sherwood isn't really considered a main player in AVRs now, which might have been the main reason.

If say, Pioneer licensed it for one of their models and used it over MCACC which most of us hate, it would give me a reason to own a pioneer avr again.

Either way, I'm looking forward to trying it out.

I would definitely revisit Pioneer Elite or Yamaha receivers or even a new higher priced pre-pro is they ditched there proprietary EQ's in favor of Trinnov. As of now the only other EQ besides Trinnov is Audyssey for reasonably priced pre-pro's that I would consider.
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post #2102 of 2617
1/31/13 at 2:48pm
I've tried H/K and Yamaha. Haven't heard an Audyssey system but after buying the 972 and listening to it during movies every time I hear another system I can't help but notice the sound coming from the center channel speaker. I guess if the center channel speaker was mounted behind a perforated screen then it might be OK. I'm just spoiled by the sound field the 972 produces.
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post #2103 of 2617
1/31/13 at 3:31pm
Not to be a D!$%, but "advanced mathematics called the Bessel/Fourier Transform" is marketing speak. What they have done is amazing, but Bessel and Fourier transforms have been around for a long time and many fields learn about them, and apply them, in undergrad math classes...

I love the results of the 972, and I am interested in a step-up at some point, but I also hate when Marketing tries to co-op math or engineering terms they don't understand...
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post #2104 of 2617
1/31/13 at 6:35pm
Are you sure about this? The 972 said it was decoding DTS-HD Master on the last Blu-ray I watched, which is the highest bitrate track on the disc as far as I could tell.

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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

The optical and coax connections lack the bandwidth to benefit from the likes of TrueHD. I have my unit connected to a PS3 in the rec-room, and it sends the signal to a FP. I have only experienced a couple of problems over the past 8 months. 1. It changed the resolution being sent to the FP, a reboot fix it; 2. It did not want to start with the remote, again shutting it off and back on fixed it. Each of these occurred only a couple of times. The unit gets used on avg once or twice per week.

As far a Trinnov proliferation goes, if they wanted to charge $1000/unit licensing fee, then their market is going be tiny. Cut that to $100/unit and I suspect their licensing income would jump dramatically. It's my recollection that Outlaw had reached a deal with Trinnov to use their system on a pre/pro aimed at a $1200 price point. Outlaw couldn't get Trinnov to run on whatever processor they were using and later scrapped the whole project. Has anyone ever heard that a manufacturer explored putting Trinnov into a product but gave up because Trinnov wanted too much to license their software.
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post #2105 of 2617
1/31/13 at 7:27pm
From what I understood Outlaw was going to use the same platform as Sherwood but they probably found it too quirky and troublesome and scraped the whole idea.
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post #2106 of 2617
1/31/13 at 7:30pm
Raul GS is right, the only way to get the High Resolution DTS-HD or TrueHD is through the HDMI. If you only have your Bluray player hooked up to the R-972 then you are only hearing normal DTS and Dolby Digital, the higher bit rates cannot be passed via coax or optical.
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post #2107 of 2617
1/31/13 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by mraub View Post

Are you sure about this? The 972 said it was decoding DTS-HD Master on the last Blu-ray I watched, which is the highest bitrate track on the disc as far as I could tell.
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Raul GS is right, the only way to get the High Resolution DTS-HD or TrueHD is through the HDMI. If you only have your Bluray player hooked up to the R-972 then you are only hearing normal DTS and Dolby Digital, the higher bit rates cannot be passed via coax or optical.

Perhaps the 972 display is just indicating what's on the disc, not what it's sending out.

And does it even have a way of knowing/indicating which output is being used?
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post #2108 of 2617
2/1/13 at 8:09am
Getting mine tuesday.
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post #2109 of 2617
2/1/13 at 10:06pm
Well after a 28 day wait mine arrived. Looks like I have a failed unit. Receiver will pass video to display and audio to display when hdmi is set to "on". When hdmi is set to off there is no audio. No audio to headphones, no test tones are sent to speakers, etc. Everything has been checked and double checked. Any help will be appreciated. I do not look forward to dealing with 1saleaday or Sherwood
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post #2110 of 2617
2/1/13 at 10:25pm
HDMI Audio Output should be set to off.

Also do a hard reset.
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post #2111 of 2617
2/2/13 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by praedet View Post

Not to be a D!$%, but "advanced mathematics called the Bessel/Fourier Transform" is marketing speak. What they have done is amazing, but Bessel and Fourier transforms have been around for a long time and many fields learn about them, and apply them, in undergrad math classes...

I love the results of the 972, and I am interested in a step-up at some point, but I also hate when Marketing tries to co-op math or engineering terms they don't understand...

I agree with you on the marketing speak,It's used by all the DRC companies(market speak) ,but it's the claim they make and one of the main selling points behind their spatial mapping technology.
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post #2112 of 2617
2/2/13 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by mraub View Post

As far a Trinnov proliferation goes, if they wanted to charge $1000/unit licensing fee, then their market is going be tiny. Cut that to $100/unit and I suspect their licensing income would jump dramatically. It's my recollection that Outlaw had reached a deal with Trinnov to use their system on a pre/pro aimed at a $1200 price point. Outlaw couldn't get Trinnov to run on whatever processor they were using and later scrapped the whole project. Has anyone ever heard that a manufacturer explored putting Trinnov into a product but gave up because Trinnov wanted too much to license their software.

There was also the rumour that Sherwood didn't or couldn't implement certain features related to Trinnov that they wanted on their unit.StereoJeff who worked on the unit,I believe also mentioned that TI also dropped the ball on a few things related to the processor that were supposed to have been added to the R-972 initially.
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post #2113 of 2617
2/2/13 at 4:45am
I fully expected the ability to write Trinnov data to USB. TI did drop the ball on that feature. None the less, as most will attest, with Trinnov engaged the R-972 offers an amazing listening experience.

Jeff
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post #2114 of 2617
2/2/13 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

HDMI Audio Output should be set to off.

Also do a hard reset.

I have tried the hard reset numerous times to no avail and hdmi is set to off. Tried it once set to on to see if audio was passing thru to the display and there was no issue with hdmi audio played by tv speakers. I have tried fm audio input with antenna which shows "stereo signal" but no audio. Trinnov setup reports no speakers and there are no test tones heard from the speakers. Manual test tones do not work either.

Video pass thru, input switching of sources, on screen displays are all working. RF remote only seems to work in ir mode.

Any other ideas appreciated.
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post #2115 of 2617
2/2/13 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by gmanhdtv View Post

Tried it once set to on to see if audio was passing thru to the display and there was no issue with hdmi audio played by tv speakers.

If it's just for TV speakers why not use analog outs?
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post #2116 of 2617
2/2/13 at 1:36pm
Try a reset, then don't do anything but hook up speakers,hdmi monitor out and a dvd player to hdmi 1. Then turn on, select setup,set room 2, sw+, hdmi, bypass, hdmi audio off. Run trinnov calibration.Then select input 1, play dvd and see what happens.
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post #2117 of 2617
2/2/13 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Stereojeff View Post

I fully expected the ability to write Trinnov data to USB. TI did drop the ball on that feature. None the less, as most will attest, with Trinnov engaged the R-972 offers an amazing listening experience.

Jeff

This thing is the quirkiest avr ever made.It absolutely sounds better than any other avr/correction I've ever heard for movie/concerts.
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post #2118 of 2617
2/2/13 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Elmo C View Post

Try a reset, then don't do anything but hook up speakers,hdmi monitor out and a dvd player to hdmi 1. Then turn on, select setup,set room 2, sw+, hdmi, bypass, hdmi audio off. Run trinnov calibration.Then select input 1, play dvd and see what happens.

Everything is set per above, however, as I stated there are no signals, calibration or otherwise being sent to the speakers. ZERO audio signal to the speaker connections.

Ideas???? Thanks for the help so far, still no joy.
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post #2119 of 2617
2/2/13 at 3:46pm
All

I just ordered a 972 to replace an Arcam AVR300 with a bad Dsp board. I was told that high quality hdmi cables will keep this unit from having handshake issues. I ordered some from blue jeans. I hope this is true for this will be my daily unit for TV, music, etc.

Any suggestions or advice? I have been reading various forums trying to understand the quirks i may run into.

Thanks in advance
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post #2120 of 2617
2/2/13 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by quern View Post

I was told that high quality hdmi cables will keep this unit from having handshake issues

 

You might want to ask again... :) If you are referring to the audio delay the receiver was designed with such.

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post #2121 of 2617
2/2/13 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by gmanhdtv View Post

Ideas????

 

If you want to try again call Sherwood if not email 1SaleADay.

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post #2122 of 2617
2/2/13 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

If you want to try again call Sherwood if not email 1SaleADay.

Thanks Charles, I have already sent an email to both parties, not expecting much help from 1SaleADay, Sherwood?? I will keep everyone posted.
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post #2123 of 2617
2/2/13 at 9:46pm
There was a time not long ago Sherwood would reply very quickly, don't know about now. If you tried the above from scratch with no luck your unit is probably needing service. Never be afraid to try anything.My tv hdmi quit working after two years, they said leave it unplugged overnight. I tried every other thing, even switched over to component cables just to have tv.I thought what the heck, I tried it, i worked. Best of luck with it.
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post #2124 of 2617
2/2/13 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by gmanhdtv View Post

Thanks Charles, I have already sent an email to both parties, not expecting much help from 1SaleADay, Sherwood?? I will keep everyone posted.

Call Sherwood and ask for Eugene. My 972 had an issue and I sent it to them for repair and it is working flawlessly now. Great communication through the whole process,
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post #2125 of 2617
2/3/13 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

Call Sherwood and ask for Eugene. My 972 had an issue and I sent it to them for repair and it is working flawlessly now. Great communication through the whole process,

 

Eugene helped me a couple of times as well. The receiver comes with a 90-day warranty so outside of return shipping which I presume is our nickle you should be good to go. Although the brand new defective unit (3-year warranty) I received they did cover return shipping... so who knows. A4L then sent a replacement. I'm crossing my fingers my unit arrives all pretty and works.

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post #2126 of 2617
2/3/13 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by praedet View Post

Not to be a D!$%, but "advanced mathematics called the Bessel/Fourier Transform" is marketing speak. What they have done is amazing, but Bessel and Fourier transforms have been around for a long time and many fields learn about them, and apply them, in undergrad math classes...

I love the results of the 972, and I am interested in a step-up at some point, but I also hate when Marketing tries to co-op math or engineering terms they don't understand...

I suggest that you or anyone really interested in understanding the technology behind Trinnov Remapping take a few minutes to read our research pages found here
http://www.trinnov.com/technologies/3d-sound/acoustic-field/

While "Bessel/Fourier Transform" may be introduced in advanced college math, harnessing the transform for audio, as done in the Trinnov family of products, was no simple task, involving scientific grants and years of research to make it practical for consumer use. As the manager at Trinnov for transfering this remarkable technology to Sherwood, I can attest to many many hours consumed to have Sherwood adapt to this new and complex way of processing audio. It's one of the high barriers to entry to having more moderately priced Trinnov successors to the R972, which many of us would love to see happen.

The" Bessel/Fourier Transform" work is indeed a milestone in consumer audio and we look forward to having it more accessable in the audio marketplace. We at Trinnov consider R972 users early adaptors of the technology, willing to deal with the side quirks because of the real benifits Trinnov brings. In part, it will be your interest and on going support that will lead to the development of new products. For that, we thank you.

Cheers,
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post #2127 of 2617
2/3/13 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by gmanhdtv View Post

Well after a 28 day wait mine arrived. Looks like I have a failed unit. Receiver will pass video to display and audio to display when hdmi is set to "on". When hdmi is set to off there is no audio. No audio to headphones, no test tones are sent to speakers, etc. Everything has been checked and double checked. Any help will be appreciated. I do not look forward to dealing with 1saleaday or Sherwood

Below are snap shots of how I set up my R-972. At first, I had exactly the same problem as you. Look at main menu and system setup pics first. This is where you start. Video 1 is assigned to my TV using a coax cable. Video 2 is for my BD player assigned to HDMI 1 on R-972. Video 3 is assigned to my laptop (PC) and is connected to HDMI 2 on the R-972. Make sure these inputs are correct. They are not as you might think they should. At least intially they weren't for me. Good Luck!





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post #2128 of 2617
2/3/13 at 8:24am
Note: 1st pic - Amp Assign was set to surr back because I only use the R-972's power amps to power my surround speakers
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post #2129 of 2617
2/3/13 at 9:16am
I know you can't give out any details, but is Trinnov actively trying to encourage major electronic manufacturers to incorporate their system into mainstream AVR's and pre/pro's?



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Originally Posted by Curt_Trinnov View Post

I suggest that you or anyone really interested in understanding the technology behind Trinnov Remapping take a few minutes to read our research pages found here
http://www.trinnov.com/technologies/3d-sound/acoustic-field/

While "Bessel/Fourier Transform" may be introduced in advanced college math, harnessing the transform for audio, as done in the Trinnov family of products, was no simple task, involving scientific grants and years of research to make it practical for consumer use. As the manager at Trinnov for transfering this remarkable technology to Sherwood, I can attest to many many hours consumed to have Sherwood adapt to this new and complex way of processing audio. It's one of the high barriers to entry to having more moderately priced Trinnov successors to the R972, which many of us would love to see happen.

The" Bessel/Fourier Transform" work is indeed a milestone in consumer audio and we look forward to having it more accessable in the audio marketplace. We at Trinnov consider R972 users early adaptors of the technology, willing to deal with the side quirks because of the real benifits Trinnov brings. In part, it will be your interest and on going support that will lead to the development of new products. For that, we thank you.

Cheers,
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post #2130 of 2617
2/3/13 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by islandman2020 View Post

Below are snap shots of how I set up my R-972. At first, I had exactly the same problem as you. Look at main menu and system setup pics first. This is where you start. Video 1 is assigned to my TV using a coax cable. Video 2 is for my BD player assigned to HDMI 1 on R-972. Video 3 is assigned to my laptop (PC) and is connected to HDMI 2 on the R-972. Make sure these inputs are correct. They are not as you might think they should. At least intially they weren't for me. Good Luck!






Tried the above ideas and still no joy. The receiver isn't even outputting sound to headphones when switching to headphone mode.
Really baffled by this, never encountered a situation like this with past Denon, Sony, or Onkyo receivers..................

Any other ideas???? Thanks so far to everyone.
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