Originally Posted by Charles R
Only advantage I saw with the R-972 was lifting the center channel by redirecting/duplicating its content in the fronts. It worked to some degree however later on I pointed the center over my head a few feet (instead of pointing it directly at it) and that creates the same affect. Overall sound wise I thought it sounded fine... outside of lacking a little presence (even with the bass boost applied). This was in a dedicated room (no TV or such) so I could put up with its quirks but found no reason to... nice receiver but I think its close-out price gives it rose colored reviews.
I can understand the 972 didn't float your boat, it definitely is not for everyone. A buddy listened to it in my main system and was blown away and ordered one for him-self, he did not have as good an experience in his system to he got rid of it. It is a mixed bag of reviews but for those who really benefit from Trinnov it is hard to give up.
For me it really has nothing to do with the price so my review was solely based on performance in my system. I had a Onkyo 5508 pre-pro with Audyssey Pro to compare it to and before that had a Marantz AV7005 and Denon 4311. I have since sold the 5508 but I did feel the 5508 had the edge for music, for movies Trinnov was clearly better though and personally I could not give it up. With the 5508 I had an excellent soundstage or so I thought but with Trinnov the soundstage is so much more immerse that it sounds like I am listening to a 16.1 system as opposed to 7.1. I even tried a 9.1 system with the 5508 using wide channels but even that cannot complete with just a normal 7.1 channel Trinnov system.
If Sherwood would have made the 972 without all the quirks into a reliable machine then I would have gladly paid the full boat retail of $1,800 just to get Trinnov. I have said it before but if Onkyo/Integra were to come out with a pre-pro and replaced Audyssey with Trinnov I would fumble for my wallet and pay the full retail of $2500 gladly. When I had the 5508 I often thought if it only had Trinnov I would be set for a long time, I am with bhazard in that I am hooked on the 3D re-mapping and won't consider another receiver/pre-pro without it.
I hope that was Rose colored enough for you