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post #241 of 2596
11/2/09 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Still flabbergasted by the fact that only one individual (Noah Katz) is posting his experiences and impressions about this unit although more than only a few should have been sold by now.

Anyone ?

Very strange...

gurkey,

Actually I'm not surprised as many here (including myself) have followed Noah's troubles with the R-972 and are steering clear. No receiver/prepro is perfect but to have to constantly move the calibration mic around your room in hopes of getting a proper calibration is not my idea of a good time. I have run a number of Audyssey calibrations with Onkyos and Denons with a minimal amount of problems.

The only issue with Audyssey was with the 885 that I owned that put the sub distance at much less than it actually was. As is the norm it should be calibrated at a greater distance as all other Audyssey calibrations I had done. A quick PM to Chris at Audyssey and I was all set.

I got a great quote for the R-972 from a S/N dealer and was very serious about buying one. But I will not consider it now seeing the issues that Noah and others are having. I just do not have time to fool around with a component hoping it will work as intended. The other factor for me is in its present form in the R-972 Trinnov does not look to be the game changer myself or many others thought it would be.

Bill
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post #242 of 2596
11/2/09 at 5:55am
Thanks Bill Mac,

was hoping for some encouragement by other owners / users, because Trinnov seemed to be *very* promising.
But looks like its has not escaped experimental stage at S/N yet (after so many years ). Might be underpowered on the current S/N platform.


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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

gurkey,

Actually I'm not surprised as many here (including myself) have followed Noah's troubles with the R-972 and are steering clear. No receiver/prepro is perfect but to have to constantly move the calibration mic around your room in hopes of getting a proper calibration is not my idea of a good time. I have run a number of Audyssey calibrations with Onkyos and Denons with a minimal amount of problems.

The only issue with Audyssey was with the 885 that I owned that put the sub distance at much less than it actually was. As is the norm it should be calibrated at a greater distance as all other Audyssey calibrations I had done. A quick PM to Chris at Audyssey and I was all set.

I got a great quote for the R-972 from a S/N dealer and was very serious about buying one. But I will not consider it now seeing the issues that Noah and others are having. I just do not have time to fool around with a component hoping it will work as intended. The other factor for me is in its present form in the R-972 Trinnov does not look to be the game changer myself or many others thought it would be.

Bill
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post #243 of 2596
11/2/09 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

gurkey,

Actually I'm not surprised as many here (including myself) have followed Noah's troubles with the R-972 and are steering clear. No receiver/prepro is perfect but to have to constantly move the calibration mic around your room in hopes of getting a proper calibration is not my idea of a good time. I have run a number of Audyssey calibrations with Onkyos and Denons with a minimal amount of problems.

The only issue with Audyssey was with the 885 that I owned that put the sub distance at much less than it actually was. As is the norm it should be calibrated at a greater distance as all other Audyssey calibrations I had done. A quick PM to Chris at Audyssey and I was all set.

I got a great quote for the R-972 from a S/N dealer and was very serious about buying one. But I will not consider it now seeing the issues that Noah and others are having. I just do not have time to fool around with a component hoping it will work as intended. The other factor for me is in its present form in the R-972 Trinnov does not look to be the game changer myself or many others thought it would be.

Bill

Similar experience with me as Bill. A dealer that I had contacted months ago sent me an email saying they had two in stock. No way I'm paying to be a beta tester and as Bill said trinnov doesn't appear to be the game changer it was advertised to be. Better to wait and see how this plays out, but at this point it's not looking very good.
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post #244 of 2596
11/2/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Still flabbergasted by the fact that only one individual (Noah Katz) is posting his experiences and impressions about this unit although more than only a few should have been sold by now.

Anyone ?

Very strange...

Well, this is the "Sherwood R-972 User Thread", not the "Sherwood R-972 Users Thread"
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post #245 of 2596
11/2/09 at 1:40pm
I'm a review junkie. I'm curious to see what happens here with regular joe users, sure, but my opinion will start to be formed when I see the so called "pros" review it, like audioholics, etc...

I suspect they are withholding there opinions until they get the firmware that was promised last week. Then, they probally have a couple weeks of review work, and publishing schedules to think about.

I do value Noah's opinion, but how do we know (a big example) that his mic is good? - one bad, or intermitted component in the mic alone could be the cause of many of his problems... so a sample on one is interesting, but it can't tell us too much.

Also - the guy who started this thread had a broken speaker which he didn't realize until someone suggested he test it one way or another - he came back saying - crap, my right speaker was fried - yet everyone still seems to remember his comments that he didn't think trinov was a game changer - well duh!!!

In components other than speakers, I think I'm bad enough when I admit to "listening" to reviewers probably more so than I trust my own ear when the time comes to audition something. But to be formulating an opinion based one or two guys' opinion and then go on to the same forum and say - wow - it's no game changer, is redicuolus in my book.
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post #246 of 2596
11/2/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by scott911 View Post

I'm a review junkie. I'm curious to see what happens here with regular joe users, sure, but my opinion will start to be formed when I see the so called "pros" review it, like audioholics, etc...

I suspect they are withholding there opinions until they get the firmware that was promised last week. Then, they probally have a couple weeks of review work, and publishing schedules to think about.

I do value Noah's opinion, but how do we know (a big example) that his mic is good? - one bad, or intermitted component in the mic alone could be the cause of many of his problems... so a sample on one is interesting, but it can't tell us too much.

Also - the guy who started this thread had a broken speaker which he didn't realize until someone suggested he test it one way or another - he came back saying - crap, my right speaker was fried - yet everyone still seems to remember his comments that he didn't think trinov was a game changer - well duh!!!

In components other than speakers, I think I'm bad enough when I admit to "listening" to reviewers probably more so than I trust my own ear when the time comes to audition something. But to be formulating an opinion based one or two guys' opinion and then go on to the same forum and say - wow - it's no game changer, is redicuolus in my book.

I do agree that it is a little early to judge the performance from several users reviews here. But Jeff from SN has said here that a FW update is needed so that the R-972 functions properly. Right there is a red flag that SN did not properly test the R-972 in different conditions. The R-972 and Trinnov might function well in optimal conditions but in a challenging room with varied speakers it seems it does not.

Professional reviews are always a good place to start but I do not have much faith in some of the online review sites. Some I find review many products from the companies that advertise the most on their sites. I know this is how magazine and internet review sites stay in business but sometimes it is a little obvious in the products they review.

Bill
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post #247 of 2596
11/3/09 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by roboray View Post

well, this is the "sherwood r-972 user thread", not the "sherwood r-972 users thread"

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post #248 of 2596
11/3/09 at 11:21am
In my personal opinion a lot of "pro" reviews are slanted one way or the other. My personal experience with the tested / reviewed "winners" is rather mixed, often missing the obvious or omitting relevant facts.


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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I do agree that it is a little early to judge the performance from several users reviews here. But Jeff from SN has said here that a FW update is needed so that the R-972 functions properly. Right there is a red flag that SN did not properly test the R-972 in different conditions. The R-972 and Trinnov might function well in optimal conditions but in a challenging room with varied speakers it seems it does not.

Professional reviews are always a good place to start but I do not have much faith in some of the online review sites. Some I find review many products from the companies that advertise the most on their sites. I know this is how magazine and internet review sites stay in business but sometimes it is a little obvious in the products they review.

Bill
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post #249 of 2596
11/4/09 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

In my personal opinion a lot of "pro" reviews are slanted one way or the other. My personal experience with the tested / reviewed "winners" is rather mixed, often missing the obvious or omitting relevant facts.

When someone like Kal Robinson reviews it you will be able to have faith in what he says. Until someone of that caliber tests the unit it is a lottery.

One thing that we do know is that studios are forking out serious money for it and they would not be doing that unless it added significant value. Do not write Trinnov off yet as it could well be what many audiophiles are looking for.

I am still waiting for a more exhaustive review from a seasoned audiophile and one in particular that can compare it to Auddyssey.
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post #250 of 2596
11/4/09 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by broke_ht_nut View Post

I am still waiting for a more exhaustive review from a seasoned audiophile and one in particular that can compare it to Auddyssey.

+1

I'm still intrigued that Trinnov could be something 'better". So far, it doesn't look like Sherwood is the company to prove it. I'm hoping another company steps up to the plate & develops an on-time, relatively bug-free implementation.

ss9001
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post #251 of 2596
11/4/09 at 5:12am
My local dealer just got the 972 in. They want $1900 for the unit!!
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post #252 of 2596
11/4/09 at 7:10am
I don't judge the technology "Trinnov" by the mischief of the S/N R-972 in its current version, because it seems to be a matter of implementation.
Unfortunately I am not ready to shell out the money for the "real" thing, as this is way to much for just a "hobby".
So I probably have to wait for some other implementation by a more reliable (consumer electronics) company, if there will be any...

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Originally Posted by broke_ht_nut View Post

When someone like Kal Robinson reviews it you will be able to have faith in what he says. Until someone of that caliber tests the unit it is a lottery.

One thing that we do know is that studios are forking out serious money for it and they would not be doing that unless it added significant value. Do not write Trinnov off yet as it could well be what many audiophiles are looking for.

I am still waiting for a more exhaustive review from a seasoned audiophile and one in particular that can compare it to Auddyssey.
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post #253 of 2596
11/5/09 at 3:32pm
So I take it that the ETA for the firmware release came and went?

Despite all of the setbacks, I'm still very optimistic that the this will be the receiver to buy.
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post #254 of 2596
11/9/09 at 11:55am
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So I take it that the ETA for the firmware release came and went?

Despite all of the setbacks, I'm still very optimistic that the this will be the receiver to buy.

Come and gone and nothing, but crickets. Same old story. Another promised date missed and dead silence from SN.
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post #255 of 2596
11/9/09 at 3:47pm
FWIW I got this email from Jeff last Friday:

"We have received new code and have ported it to the R-972. We are currently testing here and in France. I'd hoped to have everything wrapped up this week, but now believe we will not be able to send out the updates until next week."
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post #256 of 2596
11/10/09 at 1:37pm
Just got the f/w via email.
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post #257 of 2596
11/10/09 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Just got the f/w via email.

Noah,

What issues with the R-972 is the new FW supposed to address? Overall are you happy with the SQ and operation of the R-972?

Bill
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post #258 of 2596
11/10/09 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Just got the f/w via email.

Congrats!
Keep us posted.
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post #259 of 2596
11/10/09 at 6:10pm
"What issues with the R-972 is the new FW supposed to address?"

Jeff was only,definitive about it fixing a potential 3 - 5 dB bass level error.

The big issue is it not being able to do successful setups either w/the mike way higher than the listening position or not at all.

The latest failed attempt was to see how a phantom center would sound.

This time it couldn't locate the back right surround, and when played there was no sound from the left front speaker or either of the back surrounds.

In the beginning Jeff said the new f/w should take care of it, but seemed to backpedal from that more recently.

It sounds darn good as it is (using a setup I saved w/all of the speakers working).

My season 4.5 discs of Battlestar are Bluray, and the front soundstage is really good.

When they close the big iron doors to their quarters, it really sounds like you're in a huge cavernous vessel.
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post #260 of 2596
11/10/09 at 7:17pm
Is any other manufacture using, or, going to use the Trinnov VP? Oops..except for OutLaw, YEEE..HHHAAA

Thanks
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post #261 of 2596
11/11/09 at 12:20am
are you French
... or how do you know ?

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Depending on the French for electronics is like depending on the Ethiopians for food.
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post #262 of 2596
11/11/09 at 12:21am
... if they ever deliver...

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Is any other manufacture using, or, going to use the Trinnov VP? Oops..except for OutLaw, YEEE..HHHAAA

Thanks
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post #263 of 2596
11/11/09 at 1:04am
isn't it great to be part and at the forefront of the development cycle of a new product (at this "early" stage) ?

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Just got the f/w via email.
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post #264 of 2596
11/11/09 at 8:13am
Can't there be some sort of informal agreement that those who are interested in the product itself will be using this "user" format, and those with nothing better to do but add drivial (like you cybersage, gurkey, & BW700guy) use the other threads?

I recall cynic steve doing this - and I respect him for that.

My point - I'm getting skin in the game here. I'm getting a r-972; shipping out this week. I've read everything I can find out, including every message, every thread here on AVS.

I know what I'm getting into, it's my choice, I'm a grown up. I highly suspect that I'm going to need to come to this forum for *help*, and sincerely hope that process doesn't become a senario like we're seeing all to often here.
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post #265 of 2596
11/11/09 at 9:21am
"those with nothing better to do but add trivial (like you cybersage, gurkey, & BW700guy) use the other threads?"

yes, please use the other Sherwood haters thread for that and don't waste everyone's time here, thx
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post #266 of 2596
11/11/09 at 10:45am
You guys are right, my bad. I deleted my posts.
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post #267 of 2596
11/11/09 at 12:28pm
You are right.
I will no longer put salt into the wounds of those already been hurt... (although i am still interested and critical as always).

PS.: ...but I won't delete my posts...
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post #268 of 2596
11/12/09 at 9:07am
Noah,
I'm disappointing to hear that the latest firmware doesn't fix your issues. Has Sherwood confirmed that they can reproduce the problem and that there is a bug (jeff backpedaled??)? Could it isolated issue with your unit? Maybe you got a bad mic?

While only two or three other people appear to have attempted to purchase a 972, they haven't reported this problem, so I'm just wondering.
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post #269 of 2596
11/12/09 at 12:26pm
"I'm disappointing to hear that the latest firmware doesn't fix your issues."

I haven't done the update yet, will do it this weekend.

I'm hopeful it will do the trick, as the symptoms Jeff said it addresses seem to describe my main problem - setup difficulty w/dipole tweeters unless the mike is placed at nearly the height of the speakers.
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post #270 of 2596
11/12/09 at 1:13pm
Oh. Sorry. I was confused, because you said you received the firmware, then you're next post said "the latest failed attempt..." I assumed you had applied it between. You know what they say about assuming....

I understand you not having got there yet. Good luck this weekend. I hope the firmware update goes smoothly for you.
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