Originally Posted by Skillet
Just curious, what would be the advantage of doing this over just running another source directly into the 972? I would think that you'd still have to do some sort of switching maneuver to change sources.
Actually, now you jarred my memory, using an Oppo 103 or 105 (the newest Oppo players as of late 2012) as the switcher into the R-972 has several advantages, and may even 'solve' my own problem/fantasy to use Trinnov in a little less Rupe Goldberg way. It involves a little "out of the box" thinking and creativity. Let me explain.
First, as you may know, these Oppo players (www.oppodigital.com
) can read BluRays, DVDs, CDs, as well as SACD and DVD-Audio for those so inclined. However, this model, unlike the 83 or 93/95, also has two HDMI inputs
as well as two HDMI outputs. It also has multiple USB ports, which can use the Oppo's DACs to work with two-channel stereo (you can get the 105 and have the asynchronous version if you're so inclined, as well as analog outs). On top of that, it has a built-in wireless adaptor for networking, as well as various streaming options (Netflix, Vudu, Pandora etc.). You can even play multiregion DVDs with some work, as well as BluRays, on a US NTSC format TV, but that's beyond the scope of this conversation.
The advantages, the way I see it from the unit:
- You can input two HDMI sources into the Oppo, and it will handle video as well as audio processing if you'd like (or not). It's got the QDEO chip, so you can have it do any video processing/upconversion with recent gen software. Further, it will process audio sources using the typical 5.1/7.1 codecs, and convert them to LPCM at up to 24/192. That way, you get around any conversion within the R-972. That may mean minimizing quirks and/or codec issues within the unit. It's something you could apply to a set-up box for cable/satellite via HDMI, as well as another source (e.g. Apple TV or with one input being MHL-capable, a smart phone supporting it)
- The HDMI output can be split, using the Split A/V feature, into a 'high res' video format (to be passed through to your display chain or your existing AVR; I'd bypass the AVR acting as an "amp" altogether in this scenario. The second HDMI output can independently be set to "audio only", in effect, and be fed to the R-972
- You'd have only one input source for the R-972 to apply Trinnov to, aside from anything above and beyond what would feed into the Oppo.
- You get all the advantages of modern tech with the Oppo, so you can have it as the switcher for an HTPC, without being burdened by four year old technology in the R-972. Effectively it would truly be a 'standalone' processor with pre-outs feeding into your current AVR doing "amp" duty
Disadvantages to this:
- All sources feeding into the Oppo would need to be HDMI-compatible or USB-compatible as relevant. No way to feed in component video input or digital/coaxial audio inputs unless you spring for the BDP-105 instead of the BDP-103. That's another $500 over the $500 or so for the BDP-103
- One more unit to buy, of course, beyond the R-972, and a programmable remote (see below) if you don't have one
- You'd have to program a universal remote, such as a Harmony, that can build macros or activities from multiple steps. I'd call this essential to knit the switching and steps together. For example, you could have an activity called "Watch TV" that would turn on the Oppo, switch to the relevant HDMI input, turn on the Sherwood, and move forward. You'd have to find the sequence that worked best with the HDMI handshakes (my guess is the Sherwood first, but I don't have first-hand experience with this yet). Not difficult, but a minor pain if you're used to using a simpler remote
- Other sources outside of the Oppo "switcher" would have to be handled by either the R-972 or your AVR being the "amp". For instance, an AM/FM tuner, an older CD player, or a turntable. On the other hand, there's easy workarounds
- As the output from the R-972 would be analog pre-outs feeding into your "amp" (the AVR you currently have), you're limited to 7.1 at most. That means no Neo:X or usage of any of the DSP-driven modes on the amp, hence no 9.1 or 11.1. Nor things like Audyssey DEQ/RLO/DSX, or alternatively Dolby Volume, or dual independent sub inputs, and of course no Audyssey being applied. But....you can get around the latter in other ways, such as Behringer Feedback Destroyer or maybe an Antimode if it's really important to you.
- I think you may be able to do some channel leveling within the "amp", along with overall volume control as you would need to do for consistency's sake, but not certain it will work. As you probably know, the bass management would be performed inside the R-972.
The way I see it, this approach would minimize the "risk" of using the R-972 aside from noted quirks that seem to impact all the units, such as needing to do factory resets when you make changes to Trinnov for stable results, playing with the bass management with Trinnov off,and maybe the odd popping sounds or weirdness with volume changes that are sometimes noted with, say, checking firmware.
Does any of this make sense to people familiar with both the R-972 and Oppo 103/105's? If I'm right, worst case it's a LT $1500 expenditure for me and someone like skillet, and certainly cheaper than a TEQ-8! Not quite as flexible, but a lot easier to set up than what I'm considering trying to do with Dirac and a "black box" between a pre/pro and an amp, as an alternative to Audyssey Pro+XT32. Its not that it sucks, but the remapping feature really intrigues me as well as (maybe) what Trinnov may do for impulse response inside its algorithm. Plus I have Mythos ST "full range" speakers (now crossed @ 80 Hz), and want to see if I can capture better response from them blending with my subs due to the way Trinnov handles EQ.Edited by sdrucker - 8/8/13 at 4:16pm