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This is the layout of my new house's finished basement I will be moving into in November. I'm going to set up a basement home theater, similar to what I have now. The only difference is that the space is a little smaller. So that I don't have to go with a smaller screen, I'm probably going to set up an acoustically transparent fixed screen with in-wall speakers behind it. I figured that'll work out nicely for timbre-matching anyway with 3 equally sized speakers, and will make for a very clean install. I will then have in-wall speakers for the surrounds as well.

I'm thinking I have two options as far as arrangement:

Option 1:



Option 2:



Blue = screen
Green = sofa
Red = speakers

I see disadvantages and advantages for both.

Option 1 makes for an open-feeling seating, which could be good or bad. I may be exaggerating the size of the sofa, but Option 2 is "cozier". Option 2 has seating near the HVAC room, which may produce some noise. Option 2, however, allows for 7.1. I'm not sure how I would pull off Option 1 with 7.1, unless the side channels were ceiling mounted. Also, there's more potential for light reflection off walls in Option 1, though one advantage would be the ability to paint the 3 walls adjacent to the screen a dark color. Can't do that in 2.

Keep in mind the window is a basement window that faces nothing. It's below ground level. I'm not getting the optional bathroom or fireplace, although I do plan on buying a little bar where the opt. bathroom would go.

One concern is acoustics. I realize neither is optimal, but am wondering what would be best.

I'm a little hesitant to do an in-wall sub. Seems like that much bass directly on a wall would be troublesome. I'm in a new townhouse with very good sound insulation from neighbor to neighbor, but still. I'm an end unit... so the left side faces no one. Another consideration.

I have a good amount of time before I will be installing the speakers in the walls. At least 2-3 months after move-in. So I can try both arrangements with my existing speakers and project against the wall in the meantime to get a feel for both setups. But I would love to hear some opinions on the matter either way.

Also very interested in hearing suggestions for reasonably priced:
  • In-wall speakers
  • Acoustically transparent fixed screen, preferably DIY for cost savings
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I like option 1, to me it moves the screen further away from the light coming in from the door/window.
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If it were my basement, I'd go with option #1 with the AT screen and in-walls.

I'd also build a riser and do two rows of seats. A riser with option #1 means less space for aisles along side the front row. The more open space in back gives easy access to the riser/second row.
post #6 of 19
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I like option 1, to me it moves the screen further away from the light coming in from the door/window.

I was thinking of this initially as well, but I changed my mind after thinking about it a bit. He did say the window doesn't really open to anything, that it is mostly below ground. Add that to all the window covering options available and I don't think the window will be much of a concern.

I like Option #2 for a few reasons:
- it will make the room more cozy when you get "in" it. You come around that corner and see the cool screen on the wall, then you can go sink into the room and enjoy the experience...i like that.
- it offers a much easier installation of a 7.1 setup and hiding sub(s) behind the seating.
- the seating won't be in the way of getting into the room like in option #1, so you aren't as limited to what type of seating you decide on.

As for in-walls, I'm not sure of your budget, but I am loving the Speakercrafts I got from Audiophile Liquidator. Check my build for the ones I got. I got all "one" models (their entry level) for a pretty decently priced 7.1 setup. You can see how I made "enclosures" for them as well in the wall. I wanted in-wall as well, for different reasons, but would go with these again in a heart beat.
post #7 of 19
I have to go with option 2. You could use the utility/mechanical room to also house your equipment. What made you decide to scrap the bathroom? I think I would consider at least a 1/2 bath, then you could still do the bar thing.
post #8 of 19
Option 2
post #9 of 19
Option 2
Good speaker placement and seating and fireplace look aesthetically pleasing together as compared to the fireplace next to the screen. My seating is ~ 6' away from mechanical room and after a few weeks of enjoying our basement, I never hear any noise coming from the AC blower.
Do more research on in walls as several in here have used them and very pleased with the results.
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Originally Posted by Javatime View Post

Option 2
Good speaker placement and seating and fireplace look aesthetically pleasing together as compared to the fireplace next to the screen. My seating is ~ 6' away from mechanical room and after a few weeks of enjoying our basement, I never hear any noise coming from the AC blower.
Do more research on in walls as several in here have used them and very pleased with the results.

Actually there is no fireplace, that is just an option.

And yes - on the window I will have total light blocking cellular shades.
post #11 of 19
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My only worry with Option 2 and an open backed speaker like the Speakercrafts is that my neighbor is opposite the wall where the L/C/R speakers would be. Again, I'm an end unit so there's nothing on the left wall but foundation.

Now, granted we don't share the same exact wall and there's a firewall in-between us, , but I don't know much about townhouse structural engineering and sound insulation.
post #12 of 19
A little insulation for your "enclosures" will help what ever in-wall speaker you decide on. You can spend a bunch of extra money on the manufacturer enclosures, or just do it yourself with batting you can get at a fabric store. I don't think you will have any "extra" problem, as opposed to cabinet speakers, but if you are worried about it, you could always build the front wall out from the screen wall (like in my build) and have the builder's 2x4 wall in between. That would your neighbor an extra layer of sound protection
post #13 of 19
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I used that generic batting to fill a boomy sub a while back and it worked great. I'm sure it would do wonders for in-walls.

I don't see any enclosures that Speakercraft makes for the Cinema series, just the LCR's. Unless I'm missing something. I think I would want the Cinema's, just not sure that the LCR's would be anywhere near a full range sound.

I've heard a lot of people warn about non-enclosed in-walls and lots of people swear by speakers like Triad's where the back is enclosed.
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I don't see any enclosures that Speakercraft makes for the Cinema series, just the LCR's. Unless I'm missing something. I think I would want the Cinema's, just not sure that the LCR's would be anywhere near a full range sound.

I talked to them and I can confirm this...no enclosures from them for Cinema series. I have Cinemas for my L/R and an LCR for my center channel. The LCR sounds great, as do the Cinemas. If you have the budget for in-walls that are enclosed though, with your concerns, I think I would go that route. I love the Speakercrafts, but I'm sure they aren't the perfect fit for everyone.
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I talked to them and I can confirm this...no enclosures from them for Cinema series. I have Cinemas for my L/R and an LCR for my center channel. The LCR sounds great, as do the Cinemas. If you have the budget for in-walls that are enclosed though, with your concerns, I think I would go that route. I love the Speakercrafts, but I'm sure they aren't the perfect fit for everyone.

Well, one nice thing about the Speakercrafts are the price. I haven't seen any enclosed in-walls that inexpensive. They're more than half the price of Triad's, generally.
post #16 of 19
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Well, one nice thing about the Speakercrafts are the price. I haven't seen any enclosed in-walls that inexpensive. They're more than half the price of Triad's, generally.

Trudat, that's why I went with them and made my own enclosure in the wall with wood and batting from the fabric store. I put minimal effort into it and am happy with the results, I'm sure one could break out the caulking, some hard insulation for the back, some Great Stuff gap filler, and batting, and make a pretty good enclosure in the wall for the front speakers.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by jpdeuce View Post

Trudat, that's why I went with them and made my own enclosure in the wall with wood and batting from the fabric store. I put minimal effort into it and am happy with the results, I'm sure one could break out the caulking, some hard insulation for the back, some Great Stuff gap filler, and batting, and make a pretty good enclosure in the wall for the front speakers.

If I wanted to go with their enclosures, I could go with the LCR's in front with their enclosures, and then one or two powered 8" subs in front with their enclosures. That way I get the bass of the Cinema's, if not more as the sub(s) would have a dedicated power source.

Then I could do a bigger 10" or 12" sub behind the couch for the harder hitting deep bass.

That could work if I didn't want to make my own enclosures, and would still be quite a bit cheaper than a Triad system.
post #18 of 19
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Builder says there's a 2 hour firewall that should isolate sound from neighbor. Any thoughts?
post #19 of 19
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Looks like I might be going with an SVS PC12-NSD subwoofer behind the couch if I go with option 2.

One thing I still like about option 1 is the ability to paint the wall the screen is on black. That would be cool.

I think I will be getting my screen material from Seymour. http://www.SeymourAV.com/

Lastly, I've been torn about where to put my components. Now I'm seriously considering using the utility room to house them. Just build some shelves and be done with it. It wouldn't be pretty, but it would hide them. The only question is whether my Playstation 3 controllers will still work. Maybe not.
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