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post #1351 of 3661
8/13/10 at 12:27pm
Yeah, my JVC is an older model (an RS1). It works perfect with the Duo. I set the output to 1080P60, then enable 1:1 Frame Rate. When my OPPO BD player (using source direct) outputs 1080P24, the Duo sends this to my projector which then displays in that format. Other non 1080P24 (DISH, XBOX, etc.) formats also work (but they send 1080P60 to the JVC with the 1:1 frame rate enabled). In addition, the CSM/Grayscale ability has significantly improved the image. Even my spouse noticed the difference.....

Also, don't use AUTO on the ouput. My JVC hates this.... SJ
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post #1352 of 3661
8/13/10 at 2:10pm
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Also, don't use AUTO on the ouput. My JVC hates this.... SJ

That, in a nutshell, would seem to be the ticket...

Unfortunately the JVC has no other choice available other than "auto" mode, so the "hard" mode MUST come from the source component immediately preceding it, which in this case is the Duo. For you guys who are having trouble, have you tried taking the Duo's output off of "auto"? Do you still have HDCP problems?
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post #1353 of 3661
8/13/10 at 2:20pm
Also, for anyone with HDCP problems with their JVC, I suggest trying one or more HDMI cables between the Duo and the JVC. Out of three 6 foot HDMI cables EXACTLY the same from Monoprice, all 3 of them worked perfectly when used between other components, but 2 of the 3 of them failed (gave me HDCP problems) consistently when connected to the JVC. This happened with my old Crystalio 2 and the same with my old Anthem AVM40 when either was the last component before my JVC. If you are experiencing HDCP problems with a JVC, I highly recommend trying several different HDMI cables before blaming the Duo or any other component directly connected to the JVC.
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post #1354 of 3661
8/13/10 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

That, in a nutshell, would seem to be the ticket...

Unfortunately the JVC has no other choice available other than "auto" mode, so the "hard" mode MUST come from the source component immediately preceding it, which in this case is the Duo. For you guys who are having trouble, have you tried taking the Duo's output off of "auto"? Do you still have HDCP problems?

Frankly, I'm not sure what AUTO buys you anyway since the Duo will switch output based upon the source.... I have not tried Auto with the latest firmware because I immediately switch the output right after completing the last firmware upgrade. On the previous firmware updates (since AUTO is the default), the JVC started syncing like crazy..... SJ
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post #1355 of 3661
8/13/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Why do people think there is a problem with connectivity between the Duo and JVC projectors? My setup works great and changing to 24p is auto. What is the problem?

With the Duo set to output as Auto, it will end up as 1080i instead of 1080p

Bob mentions auto circuit to auto circuit. I don't believe that is actually the way it works here. The Duo requests the EDID from the JVC. The Duo then interpretes that EDID and should select the best mutually compatible resolution. This "should" therefore end up as 1080p. So either every JVC projector so far places 1080i above 1080p as the preferred input, or the Duo is misinterpreting the list.
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post #1356 of 3661
8/13/10 at 3:59pm
What about just locking off the Duo's output to 1080p24, whats wrong with this?
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post #1357 of 3661
8/13/10 at 4:13pm
Using 1080p/60 works just fine. I think I have to force my players to output 1080p too so I don't think this is a Duo problem. 1080i is easier to transmit over a long HDMI cable so JVC probably opted for 1080i over 1080p.
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post #1358 of 3661
8/13/10 at 4:14pm
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With the Duo set to output as Auto, it will end up as 1080i instead of 1080p

Yup, same thing here.
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Bob mentions auto circuit to auto circuit. I don't believe that is actually the way it works here. The Duo requests the EDID from the JVC. The Duo then interpretes that EDID and should select the best mutually compatible resolution. This "should" therefore end up as 1080p. So either every JVC projector so far places 1080i above 1080p as the preferred input, or the Duo is misinterpreting the list.

EDID is one of those things that is wonderful in theory but not so good in practice. I have had EDID issues (choosing the wrong "best resolution") in many components. My Sony PS3, Crystalio 2, Oppo BDP-83, Anthem AVM40, Toshiba HD-DVD player (I forget the model), and a few others I am probably forgetting - ALL had EDID issues when BOTH units were set to "auto", yet they worked fine when one end was hard set. Is that the way EDID is supposed to work? Of course not, but I have saved myself many headaches by keeping this in mind when connecting components, though I fully admit that I forgot it when I ran into this problem a few days ago... Have you tried setting the Duo to 1080p and engaging 1:1 Frame Rate?

If you really want to put yourself through hell, just try throwing in an active HDMI distribution amplifier into the mix. Not only will you go through the worst EDID hell you can imagine, but it will screw up your audio big time as well.
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post #1359 of 3661
8/13/10 at 6:21pm
Bob,

"If you really want to put yourself through hell, just try throwing in an active HDMI distribution amplifier into the mix. Not only will you go through the worst EDID hell you can imagine, but it will screw up your audio big time as well."

Have you tried the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus? It has a few EDID options built in or it can learn the EDID from one of your components. You could put it ahead of the distribution amp. to feed that same EDID to any source connected to it no matter what you are doing downstream of it.

Shawn
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post #1360 of 3661
8/13/10 at 7:03pm
Hi Shawn!

Nope, never tried it. I solved my problem by getting rid of the Crystalio 2 and replacing it with the Duo. I just needed a separate "audio only" HDMI connection and the Duo gives me that, much like your Lumagen. It sounds like the Gefen would accomplish the same thing, but I gained a whole lot more with the Duo, like 8 HDMI inputs and full CMS...
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post #1361 of 3661
8/14/10 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Have you tried setting the Duo to 1080p and engaging 1:1 Frame Rate?

Yes it does work. I was trying to figure out if we lose anything over Auto...but I am thinking not.

I think the DUO GUI should be modified, so that when you choose 1:1 Frame rate, that the output resolution then only displays the resolution and not frame rate.

For example it lists

1080p/24
1080p/50
1080p/60

But once you select 1:1 Frame rate, then all 3 of those options will result in the same output. So the list should just say

1080p



Jonathan
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post #1362 of 3661
8/14/10 at 3:13am
Rant time! I'm usually pretty quiet on these threads but I find I'm rather annoyed after the last two-ish pages of this one.

Anchor Bay, I see a lack of response to your JVC owning customers here and I hate poor customer service!

The last many posts of this thread are rather frustrating for me. Every day for three months now, I read the updates while I quietly save for a DUO to pair with my RS2 clone (Elite FPJ1). I was really glad to see the DUO get CMS, thank you to Anchor Bay for that, certainly.

I've really been looking forward to easy and great CMS and video processing from my BPD-83 and Dune player as sent to the FPJ1 via the DUO. Now I'm not sure.

JonStatt and clefranc are very right! It is frustrating to read about video display/frame interpolation problems, that Anchor Bay does nothing about them, and we JVC owners have to juggle various settings/cables/devices to try and sort out the issues manually with potentially each disc resolution. I am now much less interested in spending money on the DUO.

I love reading about how these things work and getting pretty deep into the information. I don't want to be forced however, at the end of a long day when I just want to watch a movie (and not tinker) to pull out a huge manual of notes from this forum on how to best set the outputs on three different HDMI components for best display just because some studio formatted my disc oddly and Anchor Bay won't solve their JVC issues.

I want the components to speak properly to one another and adjust themselves automatically based on my ultimate desire (ie 1080p/24). I want value, and having to sort out what the manufacturer(s), such as Anchor Bay, should have is not good value for my how many thousands of dollars in equipment??? This hobby needn't be like that, right?

Rant over... back to our thread fellas. Thank you.
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post #1363 of 3661
8/14/10 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by idratherbeflying View Post

Rant time! I'm usually pretty quiet on these threads but I find I'm rather annoyed after the last two-ish pages of this one.

Anchor Bay, I see a lack of response to your JVC owning customers here and I hate poor customer service!

The last many posts of this thread are rather frustrating for me. Every day for three months now, I read the updates while I quietly save for a DUO to pair with my RS2 clone (Elite FPJ1). I was really glad to see the DUO get CMS, thank you to Anchor Bay for that, certainly.

I've really been looking forward to easy and great CMS and video processing from my BPD-83 and Dune player as sent to the FPJ1 via the DUO. Now I'm not sure.

JonStatt and clefranc are very right! It is frustrating to read about video display/frame interpolation problems, that Anchor Bay does nothing about them, and we JVC owners have to juggle various settings/cables/devices to try and sort out the issues manually with potentially each disc resolution. I am now much less interested in spending money on the DUO.

I love reading about how these things work and getting pretty deep into the information. I don't want to be forced however, at the end of a long day when I just want to watch a movie (and not tinker) to pull out a huge manual of notes from this forum on how to best set the outputs on three different HDMI components for best display just because some studio formatted my disc oddly and Anchor Bay won't solve their JVC issues.

I want the components to speak properly to one another and adjust themselves automatically based on my ultimate desire (ie 1080p/24). I want value, and having to sort out what the manufacturer(s), such as Anchor Bay, should have is not good value for my how many thousands of dollars in equipment??? This hobby needn't be like that, right?

Rant over... back to our thread fellas. Thank you.

Hmm - it might be worth remembering that this isn't an official support forum and ABT rarely answers questions posted these days. If you need to know what's going on with this problem, I'd suggest sending them an email or giving them a call. My experience of late has been that they're actually pretty responsive when you speak to them directly.
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post #1364 of 3661
8/14/10 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by idratherbeflying View Post

Rant time! I'm usually pretty quiet on these threads but I find I'm rather annoyed after the last two-ish pages of this one.

Anchor Bay, I see a lack of response to your JVC owning customers here and I hate poor customer service!

The last many posts of this thread are rather frustrating for me. Every day for three months now, I read the updates while I quietly save for a DUO to pair with my RS2 clone (Elite FPJ1). I was really glad to see the DUO get CMS, thank you to Anchor Bay for that, certainly.

I've really been looking forward to easy and great CMS and video processing from my BPD-83 and Dune player as sent to the FPJ1 via the DUO. Now I'm not sure.

JonStatt and clefranc are very right! It is frustrating to read about video display/frame interpolation problems, that Anchor Bay does nothing about them, and we JVC owners have to juggle various settings/cables/devices to try and sort out the issues manually with potentially each disc resolution. I am now much less interested in spending money on the DUO.

I love reading about how these things work and getting pretty deep into the information. I don't want to be forced however, at the end of a long day when I just want to watch a movie (and not tinker) to pull out a huge manual of notes from this forum on how to best set the outputs on three different HDMI components for best display just because some studio formatted my disc oddly and Anchor Bay won't solve their JVC issues.

I want the components to speak properly to one another and adjust themselves automatically based on my ultimate desire (ie 1080p/24). I want value, and having to sort out what the manufacturer(s), such as Anchor Bay, should have is not good value for my how many thousands of dollars in equipment??? This hobby needn't be like that, right?

Rant over... back to our thread fellas. Thank you.

I have the RS1 and the Duo auto turns on and off and auto switches between 1080p 60 and 24. It is far more automatic than My old Lumagen HDQ.

You are missing out on a fabulous VP that would make your projector look fabulous. I have zero issues with my Duo.
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post #1365 of 3661
8/14/10 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post


I have the RS1 and the Duo auto turns on and off and auto switches between 1080p 60 and 24. It is far more automatic than My old Lumagen HDQ.

You are missing out on a fabulous VP that would make your projector look fabulous. I have zero issues with my Duo.

Agree I guess there is no perfect device for everyone, I also need to switch resolution manually but it doesn't detract from its overall package especially at its price.
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post #1366 of 3661
8/14/10 at 6:45am
idratherbeflying,

I can understand your frustration, but you should be frustrated with EDID in general and not specifically with the Duo's implementation - AB is no better nor worse than anyone else communicating with EDID. Did you read my posts? You also have to remember that the Duo is NOT a *source* device, but rather is acting as intermediary between a source and display, and as such has a more difficult job to do than a more simple "source to display" chain.
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I want the components to speak properly to one another and adjust themselves automatically based on my ultimate desire (ie 1080p/24).

The solution has already been said several times in the last few pages. Simply set the Duo's output to "1080p" and engage the "1:1 Frame Rate" and LEAVE IT SET LIKE THAT!! You don't have to switch settings with every source. You set it once and then forget it. How much easier does it have to get?
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I want value, and having to sort out what the manufacturer(s), such as Anchor Bay, should have is not good value for my how many thousands of dollars in equipment???

You are free to spend your money any way you want. Personally speaking I have owned a Calibre VP (~$2200 at the time) and a Crystalio 2 (around $3500) and neither one was even a close match to the Duo. The Lumagens cost ~$3500 and up the last time I checked. What are you planning to buy that will give you 8 HDMI inputs, a fully functional CMS, separate video and audio HDMI outputs, and a host of other features for the same or even twice as much money as the Duo?

Can the EDID problem be fixed? I really don't know, but as long as I can get EXACTLY what I want (1080p60 and 1080p24) as easily as I got it, with no compromises, no constant switching back and forth, I really don't care.
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post #1367 of 3661
8/14/10 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by bob sorel View Post

idratherbeflying,



the solution has already been said several times in the last few pages. Simply set the duo's output to "1080p" and engage the "1:1 frame rate" and leave it set like that!! You don't have to switch settings with every source. You set it once and then forget it. How much easier does it have to get?

amen!
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post #1368 of 3661
8/14/10 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

The solution has already been said several times in the last few pages. Simply set the Duo's output to "1080p" and engage the "1:1 Frame Rate" and LEAVE IT SET LIKE THAT!! You don't have to switch settings with every source. You set it once and then forget it. How much easier does it have to get?

Spot on!
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post #1369 of 3661
8/14/10 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Is grayscale setting per output? I think I read that CMS is NOT, but wondering if at least grayscale is... I have 2 very different output (plasma and LCOS PJ), and they both had significant differences in grayscale setting that one set will not fit all.

Anyone can let me know? I am on the fence right now...
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post #1370 of 3661
8/14/10 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Anyone can let me know? I am on the fence right now...

Hmm - I think maybe input and output are getting mixed up. CMS, Greyscale are not different per input, but I understand that each display profile has its own settings. These are ...

- Rx, Ry, RY, Gx, Gy, GY, Bx, By, BY, Cx, Cy, CY, Mx, My, MY, Yx, Yy, YY, Wx, Wy, WY
- Wx, Wy and WY for 0, 10, 20 80, 90, 100IRE
- CMS bypass on/off

On the old VP50's you could manually select profiles. In the Duo, you can't but it does maintain a seperate profile for each display it sees. So, I'm pretty sure you're OK if you have multiple displays and you switch between them - the current public Duo firmware doesn't support simultaneous display.
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post #1371 of 3661
8/14/10 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Anyone can let me know? I am on the fence right now...

I thinks it per output. Two HDMI outputs and each has its own CMS settings. I hope the presets on the remote will allow for multiple CMS settings in the future.
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post #1372 of 3661
8/14/10 at 10:32am
Since I haven't seen any posts on this issue in a while, I have to ask:

Is anyone else still having occasional, non-repeatable audio dropouts (1 second or less) with their DUO when using the HDMI Audio output?

As of next Monday I'll be on my third DUO since originally purchasing this product this past May. The original unit had this issue, as did the replacement. ABT's been really great at trying to work with me on this problem, and they said they would thoroughly inspect the unit that's due to arrive next week prior to shipping.

Nevertheless, I'm anxious to see if this issue manifests itself again in the new unit and I'm also curious if I am the only one still running into this problem.
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post #1373 of 3661
8/14/10 at 12:51pm
I do get the occasional audio dropout for 1sec from HDMI, I have the latest firmware but I don't know what causes this.
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post #1374 of 3661
8/14/10 at 1:12pm
Not really noticed dropouts especially on Blu-ray. Had some in the last firmware (DVDO told me to change the audio delay to get rid of them). Using HDMI Audio out to my Denon AVP.... SJ
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post #1375 of 3661
8/14/10 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

I do get the occasional audio dropout for 1sec from HDMI, I have the latest firmware but I don't know what causes this.

From what ABT has told me it has something to do with the memory buffer filling up, possibly due to bad memory.

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Not really noticed dropouts especially on Blu-ray. Had some in the last firmware (DVDO told me to change the audio delay to get rid of them). Using HDMI Audio out to my Denon AVP.... SJ

Minimizing the audio delay eliminates the issue, but this is more of a temporary fix than an actual fix.

Minimizing the delay is not ideal anyway in my configuration because my Oppo BDP-83 feeds both to my D-Box motion controller (without delay) and to the DUO. In this situation, the motion is not perfectly in sync with the picture if I minimize the delay.
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post #1376 of 3661
8/14/10 at 9:49pm
If you want two profiles for the same display, currently the only way to do that is to use two separate outputs. If you want different profiles for different displays, the Duo does that automatically.
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post #1377 of 3661
8/14/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by drvais View Post

Since I haven't seen any posts on this issue in a while, I have to ask:

Is anyone else still having occasional, non-repeatable audio dropouts (1 second or less) with their DUO when using the HDMI Audio output?

As of next Monday I'll be on my third DUO since originally purchasing this product this past May. The original unit had this issue, as did the replacement. ABT's been really great at trying to work with me on this problem, and they said they would thoroughly inspect the unit that's due to arrive next week prior to shipping.

Nevertheless, I'm anxious to see if this issue manifests itself again in the new unit and I'm also curious if I am the only one still running into this problem.

Touch wood mine is connected with 4 hdmi and 2 component devices all without any audio dropout.
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post #1378 of 3661
8/15/10 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

If you want two profiles for the same display, currently the only way to do that is to use two separate outputs. If you want different profiles for different displays, the Duo does that automatically.

Thanks all. I understand each output will have its own profile, but I just want to make sure grayscale and CMS setting are part of the profile... not just the video upscale, resolution etc. Seems like it is, great!

And Tom, how's Chromapure V2. going? still on target for end of Aug?
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post #1379 of 3661
8/15/10 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by drvais View Post

Since I haven't seen any posts on this issue in a while, I have to ask:

Is anyone else still having occasional, non-repeatable audio dropouts (1 second or less) with their DUO when using the HDMI Audio output?

As of next Monday I'll be on my third DUO since originally purchasing this product this past May. The original unit had this issue, as did the replacement. ABT's been really great at trying to work with me on this problem, and they said they would thoroughly inspect the unit that's due to arrive next week prior to shipping.

Nevertheless, I'm anxious to see if this issue manifests itself again in the new unit and I'm also curious if I am the only one still running into this problem.

If you mean audio and video through the same HDMI connection, I was getting some pretty bad dropouts with my Oppo 83 at one pointin fact, both would drop, and at one point they dropped and didn't come back. It turned out that the solution was to return to the longer HDMI cable I'd been using (3'); I'd substituted a 6" cable to save clutter, since the Duo is stacked on top of the 83. I don't know why this happened, but since going back to the longer HDMI I haven't had any issue. Other than that, separating audio and video (via analog or other audio out) usually works.

I do experience an occasional drop with the cable box, but that could well be the cable feed.
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post #1380 of 3661
8/15/10 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thanks all. I understand each output will have its own profile, but I just want to make sure grayscale and CMS setting are part of the profile... not just the video upscale, resolution etc. Seems like it is, great!

And Tom, how's Chromapure V2. going? still on target for end of Aug?

Yes.
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