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post #241 of 3834
You're better off sending 480i to the processor with SD DVD. PReP definitely is a good feature, but it can never be better than this (or even truly equal). It may be so close that you can't tell a difference though (which is the whole idea).
post #242 of 3834
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

You're better off sending 480i to the processor with SD DVD. PReP definitely is a good feature, but it can never be better than this (or even truly equal). It may be so close that you can't tell a difference though (which is the whole idea).

Exactly which is what I really meant. It does such a good job it is hard to tell.
post #243 of 3834
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I give up. I meant the player sending straight 480i and the DUO sending 1080p (without PreP) versus the player sending in 1080p (on its own) and there being PreP... I edited that part so it makes sense now.

Again, this statement is incorrect. PReP is never used on a source that has been previously scaled (480p -> 1080p). Also the spelling of PReP is incorrect.


"For SD dvds sending in 1080p (depends on the player you are using-results will vary) and then letting the DUO use Prep (mentioned above) worked nicely."
post #244 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Again, this statement is incorrect. PReP is never used on a source that has been previously scaled (480p -> 1080p). Also the spelling of PReP is incorrect.


"For SD dvds sending in 1080p (depends on the player you are using-results will vary) and then letting the DUO use Prep (mentioned above) worked nicely."

Gary, it is to early for me today. I am deleting the entire sentence and going back to bed.
post #245 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

If this is what you mean there will be no PReP.

480i -> 480p -> 1080p -> DUO

This is a very good point. That last I knew, PReP for 1080p is only active if the original source is 1080i. It won't undo back to 480i. So if you are sending 1080p from the player with SD DVD PReP doesn't work and you are actually just using the player's scaling/deinterlacing.

If this is changed, then maybe someone from DVDO could clarify.

This means that if 480i isn't available to you from DVD you should send 480p to the DUO.
post #246 of 3834
No, Gary is right. I should have typed 480p (instead of 1080p)...
post #247 of 3834
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

No, Gary is right. I should have typed 480p (instead of 1080p)...

I just read your DUO review. It makes me want to go out and get one, even though my EDGE is just less than a year old. Hard to justify from that standpoint, unfortunately.

About how big is the external power supply, by the way?
post #248 of 3834
The review was nice to read, Joe. Basically just what I expected from the Duo. Still - as a 50pro & Edge user I don't feel the need to upgrade this year. Still I miss at least a hint of criticism in your review. ABT's scaling engine is still rather aggressive and especially on low quality material (older, overcompressed DVDs or Digital TV) other processors seem to do better.

When ABT designed the 2010 processor they based it on the 2008 features of the 50pro, which included a rather destructive MNR function. The 50pro was updated in early 2009 and the MNR function was nicely enhanced. Unfortunately the Edge only had the earlier MNR version (so *probably* does the Duo). Don't misunderstand me, I'm a DVDO fan and I like their processors - it's just fair to point out that there are alternatives, though not as cheap as they come from ABT
post #249 of 3834
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I just read your DUO review. It makes me want to go out and get one, even though my EDGE is just less than a year old. Hard to justify from that standpoint, unfortunately.

About how big is the external power supply, by the way?

Not big at all. I will measure it later but from memory it is about 5 or 6 inches by 4?
post #250 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

The review was nice to read, Joe. Basically just what I expected from the Duo. Still - as a 50pro & Edge user I don't feel the need to upgrade this year. Still I miss at least a hint of criticism in your review. ABT's scaling engine is still rather aggressive and especially on low quality material (older, overcompressed DVDs or Digital TV) other processors seem to do better.

When ABT designed the 2010 processor they based it on the 2008 features of the 50pro, which included a rather destructive MNR function. The 50pro was updated in early 2009 and the MNR function was nicely enhanced. Unfortunately the Edge only had the earlier MNR version (so *probably* does the Duo). Don't misunderstand me, I'm a DVDO fan and I like their processors - it's just fair to point out that there are alternatives, though not as cheap as they come from ABT

Hey, I am not by any means suggesting to dump your 50pros or even Edges to get the DUO. I am saying it is excellent if you already do not have an alternative or if you want one for another set up. The DUO is the most polished VP DVDO has released in a very long time. Everything seems to work nicely and comes together to make a nice package.
post #251 of 3834
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post



I will post this pic for you.

That's very enticing. Even though I use Auto output from my Oppo 83 to solve the problem with my EDGE, it'd be nice to set Auto on the VP and have Source Direct from the player. The 09 gets along with the EDGE in this regard; the 83 doesn't.
post #252 of 3834
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I was using HDMI input 8 last night and I noticed there was a red box in the up right with "HDMI 8" in it. It would not disappear. I had to go to another input and they back to 8 and then it would disappear after a few seconds.
Is there anything specific that might cause this? Or just some kind of issue with my LG BD390 being connected to the DUO?
I need to try the BD390 on HDMI 7 tonight to see if it does the same thing.

I had something similar happen earlier today with HDMI 1. The red box was there for a few minutes, switched to another input and back to HDMI 1 and the box faded away after a few seconds.

Minor Bug?

That's the only issue I've had besides trying to get Video 2 output working which I think was a cabling issue on my part.

I'm happy with my Duo.
post #253 of 3834
Are there any of you who replaced an EDGE with the Duo, and if so why?
post #254 of 3834
Couple of shot sending in 1080p/60 from the DUO... Mainly football except one beer commercial pic... Detail is exceptional as our the colors (perfect for football) sending in 36 bit upconverted...
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post #255 of 3834
For laughs, how's this thing behave if you try to do a DVD or DirecTV at 1080p/24?
post #256 of 3834
I'll try it.
post #257 of 3834
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Are there any of you who replaced an EDGE with the Duo, and if so why?

I did as I have both a LCD TV and PJ in my and wanted the dual A/V HMDI outs.
post #258 of 3834
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Are there any of you who replaced an EDGE with the Duo, and if so why?

I did. Well for one, more HDMI inputs. Eight is still not enough. I still need to use a couple of HDMI switches with my devices.
Also the DUO was the new thing. The EDGE has come a long ways in the last year so I'm hoping the DUO sees improvements as well.
post #259 of 3834
Ok, so let me ask you veteran ABT and DVDO users a question: I constantly see some people complaining about "ringing."

How's that doing these days?
post #260 of 3834
didn't change. The scaling adds ringing and so does the initial processing stage during deinterlacing. Even simple transcoding is affected: if you input 480p component and output 480p HDMI, the output will be significantly worse than the input.
post #261 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

didn't change. The scaling adds ringing and so does the initial processing stage during deinterlacing. Even simple transcoding is affected: if you input 480p component and output 480p HDMI, the output will be significantly worse than the input.

This may get technical but I'm here to learn always so what the heck:

What causes that ringing and why does it happen and how apparent is it?

I'm probably going to take either this or an Edge for a test spin via Amazon soon...
post #262 of 3834
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I did. Well for one, more HDMI inputs. Eight is still not enough. I still need to use a couple of HDMI switches with my devices.
Also the DUO was the new thing. The EDGE has come a long ways in the last year so I'm hoping the DUO sees improvements as well.

What improvements are you looking for the DUO? Apart from the HDMI inputs what % would you rate the upgrade to the Duo? Would there be a big improvement from the Edge to the DUO?

One thing I noticed about the EDGE at one stage it was picking up everything I was turning on automatically and know I have to manually press the HDMI button to get it going again and. Ive just had the unit since Thursday and its playing up already. Would you say the Duo is more stable than the Edge?
post #263 of 3834
What about the simultaneous output claim in the press release?

“Dual HDMI 1.3 outputs enable the simultaneous use of two Deep Color displays, with up to 12-bit output at 1080p-60.”
post #264 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

What improvements are you looking for the DUO? Apart from the HDMI inputs what % would you rate the upgrade to the Duo? Would there be a big improvement from the Edge to the DUO?

One thing I noticed about the EDGE at one stage it was picking up everything I was turning on automatically and know I have to manually press the HDMI button to get it going again and. Ive just had the unit since Thursday and its playing up already. Would you say the Duo is more stable than the Edge?

I had no problems like that with my two EDGEs. But I also used HArmony remotes with them and I use a Harmony remote with the DUO.

This reminds me I need to see if the Harmony program will work with my Win7 install. I need to add the DUO and LG BD390 and take out my panny BD player and EDGE in the Harmony.
post #265 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Ok, so let me ask you veteran ABT and DVDO users a question: I constantly see some people complaining about "ringing."

How's that doing these days?

I may not be savvy enough to spot it, but with my disc players I see nothing untoward. I set everything so that there's as little processing happening as I can manage. My BD players are set to Auto output resolution, as is the EDGE, with all adjustments flat except MNR, set to Low.

The cable box signal is not always the greatest to start with, so I won't vouch for THAT one.
post #266 of 3834
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I had no problems like that with my two EDGEs. But I also used HArmony remotes with them and I use a Harmony remote with the DUO.

This reminds me I need to see if the Harmony program will work with my Win7 install. I need to add the DUO and LG BD390 and take out my panny BD player and EDGE in the Harmony.

I figured out why the Edge did that, all sorted.
post #267 of 3834
I should have one of these by today or tomorrow at the latest and finally see what's what for myself instead of nagging everyone with a million questions.
post #268 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

I should have one of these by today or tomorrow at the latest and finally see what's what for myself instead of nagging everyone with a million questions.

will begin nagging you also
post #269 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

will begin nagging you also

Fair enough.

This will be the first video processor I've ever owned so my frame of references will be somewhat limited but I'll do the best I can to get to know it and try and offer up information about it to others in as meaningful of fashion as I can.
post #270 of 3834
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Fair enough.

This will be the first video processor I've ever owned so my frame of references will be somewhat limited but I'll do the best I can to get to know it and try and offer up information about it to others in as meaningful of fashion as I can.

I noticed you have your display ISF calibrated are you going to get them back in to do a touch up?
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