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post #3361 of 3835
To be fair, (wife is away tomorrow night.) will pull my Duo back out of it's box, and AutoCal with current manually calibrated settings on my set. Do the reading, then swap back to the XE, and follow through and see it's final outcome. This way, same set, same settings on the set. The only settings that will change, will be inside the Duo and XE. Now, if the Duo wins?

Taking longer than expected and wife came home in not too cheery a mood:
So far - AutoCal Greyscale - toss up - no clear winner, except me. My Manual Calibration is Better than either! Each had pluses and minuses. AutoCal CMS - Duo the Winner. Colour Scale. Pre- 125 Point - Duo the Winner. After 125 Point - not completed. To be finished.

125 Point XE Calibration has messed things up! Going for help!
Edited by p5browne - 12/13/12 at 7:59am
post #3362 of 3835
Sorry Praz, forgot to mention I used your great Workflow in my .jpeg of Colorchecker in previous post.
post #3363 of 3835
Received email today - it seems that new firmware is on the way (2.4) - it isn't on their site at the moment.

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ISF Announces DVDO Duo ISFccc Support

By Jeff Murray


For years many of you in the ISF community have been installing DVDO processors to optimize your customers video experience - now, for the first time ISFccc hooks and menus are built into the new Duos!

DVDO has added two additional CMS profiles to the iScan Duo: ISF Day and ISF Night. The ISF Profiles may be locked by the calibrators to prevent accidental changes to the profile settings. ISF Profiles are per output. With this new release, the iScan Duo now features four CMS profiles for each of its two outputs: Day, Night, ISF Day, and ISF Night. Note that the iScan Duo can store all Output Setup settings for up to ten displays. With four CMS profiles, iScan Duo can store up to 40 unique CMS profiles.

At factory default, the ISF Profiles are grayed out since the iScan Duo has not been ISF calibrated. Once the system is calibrated, the ISF Profiles are no longer grayed and will appear normal.

Lockable ISF Profiles - A key feature of the new software in the Duo is the ability for the ISF Technician to lock his work down so that it will always be available to his customer for optimal viewing in either day or night time environments. The procedure is straight forward, but not available to end users, which is as it should be.

The procedure is attached below and is also available in the ISF Portal at AVProAlliance.com - You are the first group in the world to gain access to this new procedure.


Existing Duo's can be upgraded by visiting the Duo firmware page at the link below (v 2.40):
post #3364 of 3835
I just downloaded it from there site right now.

RayJr
post #3365 of 3835
iScan Duo software releases
To download the latest iScan Duo Firmware, fill out the questionnaire below, and click on "I Agree"

Firmware v2.40
Release date: December 14, 2012

What's new in iScan Duo Firmware v2.40 compared to v2.32?

* New features:

•Added ISF Day and Night modes to the CMS menu
◦These profiles may be locked by the ISF calibrators to prevent accidental changes to the profile settings. ISF Profiles are per output. With this new release, the iScan Duo now features four CMS profiles for each of its two outputs: Day, Night, ISF Day, and ISF Night.
•Added CMS Reset control which resets color gamut and grayscale settings for the currently selected CMS Profile.
•Bug fixes and improvements
Note: This firmware will force a factory default.
This firmware includes all previous additions and fixes.


post #3366 of 3835
The new firmware has much improved serial automation control.

I have updated my control panel to support the new version. You can find the new version on the control panel's website here.

Changes:
  • Added support for firmware v2.40.
  • Added control of the new ISF CMS profiles (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Enhanced support for the aspect ratio menu (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Re-enabled "User Chromaticity" controls (fixed in firmware v2.40).
  • Added support for editing the input labels and input priority (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Moved log from the console window to the main application window.
  • Added keyboard control of the "Remote" commands (press M to show the menu, use the arrow keys, and press ESC to exit).
  • Fixed bug where parsing of decimal values would fail on computers using comma ',' as the decimal separator.

For those worried about losing your CMS profile settings when upgrading the firmware: download the control panel, save the CMS settings to a file, upgrade the firmware, and reload the settings file.
post #3367 of 3835
Many thanks Michael, and particular thanks for the effort you put into updating your Duo Control Panel.
post #3368 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdehoog View Post

The new firmware has much improved serial automation control.

I have updated my control panel to support the new version. You can find the new version on the control panel's website here.

Changes:
  • Added support for firmware v2.40.
  • Added control of the new ISF CMS profiles (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Enhanced support for the aspect ratio menu (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Re-enabled "User Chromaticity" controls (fixed in firmware v2.40).
  • Added support for editing the input labels and input priority (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Moved log from the console window to the main application window.
  • Added keyboard control of the "Remote" commands (press M to show the menu, use the arrow keys, and press ESC to exit).
  • Fixed bug where parsing of decimal values would fail on computers using comma ',' as the decimal separator.

For those worried about losing your CMS profile settings when upgrading the firmware: download the control panel, save the CMS settings to a file, upgrade the firmware, and reload the settings file.

 

 

Thank you so much for sharing this tool with us!!

 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdehoog View Post

The new firmware has much improved serial automation control.
......

 

Where can I find the protocol documentation? The DVDO website still only shows till f/w 2.3

 

 

Thanks!

_____

Axel

post #3369 of 3835
First problem I am getting Michael is that it only loads automatically so far then very slowly adds red coloured boxes.
Reaches just before 'Picture Controls' at normal speed then very slowly checks individual boxes and colours then with red surround.

Unable to use Duo remote although all seems to work on PQ.

Stopping 'Control Panel' still has my Duo frozen and will only recover if electrically disconnected then replugged.

What am I doing wrong?
Edited by PE06MCG - 12/15/12 at 5:03am
post #3370 of 3835
^^^^^i too had the EXACT issue. What i had to do was load my existing config with DUO control v8. After that v9 still did NOT work. Then i decided to activate the ISF modes via's ISF's instructions. i then tried DUO Control v9 again and it worked! all is good now.....
post #3371 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1forsnow View Post

^^^^^i too had the EXACT issue. What i had to do was load my existing config with DUO control v8. After that v9 still did NOT work. Then i decided to activate the ISF modes via's ISF's instructions. i then tried DUO Control v9 again and it worked! all is good now.....

Thanks for advice, only one problem though.

I saved configuration re v0.80. opened up v0.9.0 but it would not load a configuration file (that saved one) until I had connected it to my Duo.
Which is where my problem lies, it will not connect without loading from Duo causing the problem I previously described.

Am I misunderstanding your method?
post #3372 of 3835
Correct. My config would not open with v9 either. i had to reload the config with v8. Then activate your ISF, then use your V9 version. it should work.
post #3373 of 3835
Problem loading now resolved.

If Duo input is set to 'Auto' fault occurs.

Choosing the actual input eg HDMI 1, as it is for my Sky HD STB makes all work perfectly (thanks for solution Michael).
post #3374 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1forsnow View Post

Correct. My config would not open with v9 either. i had to reload the config with v8. Then activate your ISF, then use your V9 version. it should work.

Thanks for the correction. Sorry, I misunderstood your method.
post #3375 of 3835
Thanks PE06MCG for helping me track down the bug.

For some reason the Duo's software crashes when "Input Priority" is queried and "Input Select" is set to 'Auto'.

I have fixed this in the latest version v1.0, available here.
post #3376 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Problem loading now resolved.

If Duo input is set to 'Auto' fault occurs.

Choosing the actual input eg HDMI 1, as it is for my Sky HD STB makes all work perfectly (thanks for solution Michael).

 

 

This was the missing link for me. All good now.

 

Thanks!

_____

Axel

post #3377 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdehoog View Post

Thanks PE06MCG for helping me track down the bug.

For some reason the Duo's software crashes when "Input Priority" is queried and "Input Select" is set to 'Auto'.

I have fixed this in the latest version v1.0, available here.

 

Thanks for all your work, Mike, much appreciated!

 

Without it, a f/w upgrade for a DUO would be a major PITA. Your utility makes it a breeze!

 

I am saving V1.0 now to have it handy next time.

_____

Axel

post #3378 of 3835
A bit confused about this part about the new 2.4 FW

"At factory default, the ISF Profiles are grayed out since the iScan Duo has not been ISF calibrated. Once the system is calibrated, the ISF Profiles are no longer grayed and will appear normal."

Does it mean the profile has to be unlocked by a ISF technician, or anyone can unlock it as long as the system is calibrated after a FW update?
post #3379 of 3835
I believe this is how you unlock it.....could be wrong, haven't tried it yet.

 Clear any onscreen menu by pressing the “EXIT” button on the remote control or the iScan Duo’s front panel.
 Press and hold the “ENTER” button on the front panel.
 Continue to hold “ENTER” until “ISF Calibration Unlocked” appears on the TV/projector.
post #3380 of 3835
Does anyone know what are the bug fixes and improvements in this new update ?
post #3381 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

A bit confused about this part about the new 2.4 FW
"At factory default, the ISF Profiles are grayed out since the iScan Duo has not been ISF calibrated. Once the system is calibrated, the ISF Profiles are no longer grayed and will appear normal."
Does it mean the profile has to be unlocked by a ISF technician, or anyone can unlock it as long as the system is calibrated after a FW update?

Anyone can do it.

My way would be to unlock ISF then calibrate, then lock.

This then protected unless deliberately unlocked again.
It can be selected but not changed unless deliberately unlocked.
post #3382 of 3835
you guys ever figure out how to toggle from isf-day to isf-night via the remote? if you calibrate both modes, its a pain to go through the menu system to change it. It would be nice to do it with 1 click on the remote.
post #3383 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

I believe this is how you unlock it.....could be wrong, haven't tried it yet.
 Clear any onscreen menu by pressing the “EXIT” button on the remote control or the iScan Duo’s front panel.
 Press and hold the “ENTER” button on the front panel.
 Continue to hold “ENTER” until “ISF Calibration Unlocked” appears on the TV/projector.

Does not work on my upgraded Duo
post #3384 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by catmother View Post

Does not work on my upgraded Duo

Unlock as above. Then calibrate ISF Mode. Shut down using Standby and these modes will then be availble for use/selection. They will not be alterable (options to reset etc., greyed out) unless the ISF modes are again unlocked.
post #3385 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

I believe this is how you unlock it.....could be wrong, haven't tried it yet.
 Clear any onscreen menu by pressing the “EXIT” button on the remote control or the iScan Duo’s front panel.
 Press and hold the “ENTER” button on the front panel.
 Continue to hold “ENTER” until “ISF Calibration Unlocked” appears on the TV/projector.

I never get the message on the TV, but the switch is done between Locked & Unlocked.
post #3386 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdehoog View Post

The new firmware has much improved serial automation control.
I have updated my control panel to support the new version. You can find the new version on the control panel's website here.
Changes:
  • Added support for firmware v2.40.
  • Added control of the new ISF CMS profiles (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Enhanced support for the aspect ratio menu (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Re-enabled "User Chromaticity" controls (fixed in firmware v2.40).
  • Added support for editing the input labels and input priority (added in firmware v2.40).
  • Moved log from the console window to the main application window.
  • Added keyboard control of the "Remote" commands (press M to show the menu, use the arrow keys, and press ESC to exit).
  • Fixed bug where parsing of decimal values would fail on computers using comma ',' as the decimal separator.
For those worried about losing your CMS profile settings when upgrading the firmware: download the control panel, save the CMS settings to a file, upgrade the firmware, and reload the settings file.

WOW!!!! I can't believe I never used this before. I downloaded it 1.5 years ago but I never used it. Just the fact that I can make all the setting changes, name changes etc, makes it a big time saver. Not to mention backing up all the values including CMS.

I wanted to make a donation, but when I clicked on the donation link it said "This recipient is currently unable to receive money".

SO when that gets fixed I will be glad to make a donation.

I only got around to messing with my settings now since I have a Mitsubishi 3D DLP on the way and I also plan on getting Chromapure with an X-Rite Display 3 PRO Colorimeter. So I needed to get my settings backed up, change my audio output to the audio HDMI output since my receiver can't handle 3D, and upgrade to a new firmware. I was on the firmware from September 2010. I am certainly glad I checked out this thread. I found out about the new firmware and the newer DVDO iScan Duo Control Panel.

Thanks Again!! And when you can accept donations again I will definitely make one.
post #3387 of 3835
Sorry if this has been asked before, I did search.

Is there any chance the duo will ever get a firmware update that will allow it to set more than one point for each of the six colors? I'm sure a 125 point autocal is out of the question, but I think even a two point per color CMS system would go a long way towards helping displays with poor linearity. If you could adjust 75% and 100% saturation for each color, well that would be a huge boost for a lot of projectors over single point.
post #3388 of 3835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

Sorry if this has been asked before, I did search.
Is there any chance the duo will ever get a firmware update that will allow it to set more than one point for each of the six colors? I'm sure a 125 point autocal is out of the question, but I think even a two point per color CMS system would go a long way towards helping displays with poor linearity. If you could adjust 75% and 100% saturation for each color, well that would be a huge boost for a lot of projectors over single point.

Both Chromapure and Spectracal will allow different Luminance and Saturation percentages for calibration patterns albeit only manually for the present..
Personally I use 75 / 75 pattern calibration.

Pattern generation has recently been fixed for the Duo so you can use the calibration software for this or Michael's extremely good Duo Control Panel that now has 'Custom' tab for exactly the purpose you want to use.

You do right to explore the linearity of your Display before thinking 125 point calibration is the only way to achieve good results.
Just find the sweet spot for your Display and its surprising how precise it becomes throughout the whole rec709 range.
post #3389 of 3835
That's not exactly what I mean. I know it's possible to pick a point like 75%Sat/75% Bright to calibrate. What I'm wondering is what is the possibiltiy that the Duo might support multiple saturation points simultaneously. I want to be able to calibrate the 75% point AND the 100% point simultaneously, straightening out the non-linearity of my display. I know the Duo can not now do this. It would be nice to hear that some sort of multi point CMS is planned, even if it isn't a full 125 point calibration. Like I said, I'd be happy with two points per color.

Thanks though!
post #3390 of 3835
Once you go 125 Point 3D LUT, you'll never go back! The results are a more natural looking PQ. Full screen Colour and Grayscale patterns look more like silk, the graininess is gone! Skin colours aren't just great looking skin colours, now they have all the subtlies of different colours, shades and detailling! I'm amazed at how good my set looks now. When you're watching anything with water, it looks so real now, you expect to find the floor beneath your TV to be wet, if not soaking wet!
Watched `Into the Wild' Blu-ray last night - check out Hal Holbrook - his facial features are just unbelievablely real!

Asked about the 125 Point for the Duo - negative - but competitive forces have a habbit of causing change!
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