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post #3421 of 3835
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Do exactly the same (ie press 'enter' button for a few seconds) or if you prefer, switch Duo off then on again..

Cheers Peter, I will try knocking the Duo off then, I had tried by pressing the enter button, this had no effect.
post #3422 of 3835
ISF Day and night is unlocked for me, although I never did anything to unlock it. At least not that I'm aware of.
post #3423 of 3835
Before the update, pressing P1 on the remote, my display would show Night/Day in the top right corner.

It does not appear to be the case now, nor the selected Audio output.

This was a very handy feature for me....Am I doing something wrong confused.gif
post #3424 of 3835
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

ISF Day and night is unlocked for me, although I never did anything to unlock it. At least not that I'm aware of.

The Isf modes are OK to select and view from its just that you cannot calibrate them (unless you 'unlock' them.
post #3425 of 3835
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Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post

Before the update, pressing P1 on the remote, my display would show Night/Day in the top right corner.
It does not appear to be the case now, nor the selected Audio output.
This was a very handy feature for me....Am I doing something wrong confused.gif

Hi Will,

This was reported earlier on this thread.

I think Ken is sorting it out .

You should get the Duo to report it has 'locked' the ISF mode if you press 'Enter'.

Red message after about 29 seconds.
post #3426 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Kerlucun View Post

I never get the message on the TV, but the switch is done between Locked & Unlocked.

neither do I?
post #3427 of 3835
I've noticed since upgrading there is handshake issue. I've never had that problem with the previous firmware but its happening now. Has anyone else experienced the problem?
post #3428 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I've noticed since upgrading there is handshake issue. I've never had that problem with the previous firmware but its happening now. Has anyone else experienced the problem?

Yes, but this may have be down to my settings being lost, for some reason these didn't save using the CP.

My unit always seems to need time to settle. I have to be honest, I am starting to wish I never upgraded frown.gif
post #3429 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I've noticed since upgrading there is handshake issue. I've never had that problem with the previous firmware but its happening now. Has anyone else experienced the problem?

Yep, same here. Not all my devices, just my Oppo 93. The splash screen is overlayed in green for about 10 seconds before the handshake goes through. I'm contemplating reverting as the last version was rock solid for me. I made a backup of the file that was on the duo. Would deleting the new one and just dragging the older file onto the Duo revert it to that version? It's a larger file size, as it has settings stored. Or does it need to be a clean firmware?
Edited by Greg1981 - 1/11/13 at 12:31am
post #3430 of 3835
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Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post

Yes, but this may have be down to my settings being lost, for some reason these didn't save using the CP.

My unit always seems to need time to settle. I have to be honest, I am starting to wish I never upgraded frown.gif

I agree I wish I didnt either. I might go back.
post #3431 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

Yep, same here. Not all my devices, just my Oppo 93. The splash screen is overlayed in green for about 10 seconds before the handshake goes through. I'm contemplating reverting as the last version was rock solid for me. I made a backup of the file that was on the duo. Would deleting the new one and just dragging the older file onto the Duo revert it to that version? It's a larger file size, as it has settings stored. Or does it need to be a clean firmware?

I dont think it should be a problem. Ive always gone clean firmware.
post #3432 of 3835
Try an 8' HDMI Cable on the OPPO and see if that doesn't clear up the problem. Sure cleared up mine!
post #3433 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

Yep, same here. Not all my devices, just my Oppo 93. The splash screen is overlayed in green for about 10 seconds before the handshake goes through. I'm contemplating reverting as the last version was rock solid for me. I made a backup of the file that was on the duo. Would deleting the new one and just dragging the older file onto the Duo revert it to that version? It's a larger file size, as it has settings stored. Or does it need to be a clean firmware?

Mine has always done this green splash screen thing with the Oppo-93, even with the previous firmware, and it still does it with the newest.
post #3434 of 3835
I also found that using high speed 1.4 cables make a big difference with the handshake with the Oppo and some other sources. I feel that using 1.4 high speed cables have made a big difference.
I was also surprised at the changes.
post #3435 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

Mine has always done this green splash screen thing with the Oppo-93, even with the previous firmware, and it still does it with the newest.

Sorry to hear that. I reverted back to 2.32 today, gone are all the handshake issues; no green screen, no occassional blue screen whenever it re-negotiates the handshake (resolution/frame rate changes). As a test, went back to 2.40 (entered the same settings, and also tried at default), and handshake problems appeared again. So I'm sticking with 2.32 in the meantime, as I prefer its stability (with my setup, anyway) over the extra profiles.

I spoke with Ken about it, and he asserts there weren't any changes regarding HDMI handshakes in the new firmware, and I have no reason to doubt him on it. Just the nature of the beast when dealing with firmware, and maybe affecting my equipment only. Though if others have experienced handshake problems since upgrading, best to let him know so they're at least aware of it.
Edited by Greg1981 - 1/11/13 at 8:37pm
post #3436 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

Sorry to hear that. I reverted back to 2.32 today, gone are all the handshake issues; no green screen, no occassional blue screen whenever it re-negotiates the handshake (resolution/frame rate changes). As a test, went back to 2.40 (entered the same settings, and also tried at default), and handshake problems appeared again. So I'm sticking with 2.32 in the meantime, as I prefer its stability (with my setup, anyway) over the extra profiles.

I spoke with Ken about it, and he asserts there weren't any changes regarding HDMI handshakes in the new firmware, and I have no reason to doubt him on it. Just the nature of the beast when dealing with firmware, and maybe affecting my equipment only. Though if others have experienced handshake problems since upgrading, best to let him know so they're at least aware of it.

Will do the same tonight I'm going back.
post #3437 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

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Will do the same tonight I'm going back.

I've gone back smile.gif
post #3438 of 3835
2.4 has been very stable in my setup. I have not run across any handshake issues yet.
post #3439 of 3835
Moving from 2.32 to 2.4 on a working system for two more profile banks without direct remote access or discrete codes is not worth the bother IMO.
post #3440 of 3835
I've found that since I upgraded to 2.4, response time has greatly improved when using Mdehoog's Duo Control Panel program.
post #3441 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

Sorry to hear that. I reverted back to 2.32 today, gone are all the handshake issues; no green screen, no occassional blue screen whenever it re-negotiates the handshake (resolution/frame rate changes). As a test, went back to 2.40 (entered the same settings, and also tried at default), and handshake problems appeared again. So I'm sticking with 2.32 in the meantime, as I prefer its stability (with my setup, anyway) over the extra profiles.

I spoke with Ken about it, and he asserts there weren't any changes regarding HDMI handshakes in the new firmware, and I have no reason to doubt him on it. Just the nature of the beast when dealing with firmware, and maybe affecting my equipment only. Though if others have experienced handshake problems since upgrading, best to let him know so they're at least aware of it.

Hm. I got a green screen or two recently, and I haven't upgraded. But they were with one channel and haven't happened since.
post #3442 of 3835
Reverted back to previous firmware everything back to way it should be. No more buggy handshake issues.
post #3443 of 3835
Had absolutely no problems with latest firmware.

Agree that previous firmware was 'rock solid' so changing it may be a bit of a gamble but all credit to Silicon image for this step.

Incidentally the combination with Duo Control Panel v 1.0.0 is awesome. Not sure that all the direct 'Menu' capabilities using it would work with anything other than v2.40.
post #3444 of 3835
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Agree that previous firmware was 'rock solid' so changing it may be a bit of a gamble but all credit to Silicon image for this step.
I use my Duos daily and think they are worth the money spent. However, I don't quite get the "all credit" part. The capability of storing a couple more profiles without the ability to directly access them isn't much of an effort at anything. The only need I have for the Duo Control Panel is saving backups so can't comment on its other functions with any version of firmware.
post #3445 of 3835
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

I use my Duos daily and think they are worth the money spent. However, I don't quite get the "all credit" part. The capability of storing a couple more profiles without the ability to directly access them isn't much of an effort at anything. The only need I have for the Duo Control Panel is saving backups so can't comment on its other functions with any version of firmware.

Hi Praz,

My point was that after apparently no development of the firmware for a long time after SI takeover we are now seeing it developed, perhaps not in the areas you want but it is being changed.
Secondly, after removing the DVDO Beta Forum completely and integrating DVDO webpage into the Silicon Image webpage they have now gone back to giving DVDO its own webpage which to me looks good for the future.
Incidentally, I find the ability to zero a profile (new in this firmware) useful to me.

Your point about Duo Control Panel mentions backups but it can surely be used to save as many Profiles as you want?

Perhaps you would like to have other features developed or maybe the previous firmware is something you do not want developed / changed?
Edited by PE06MCG - 1/14/13 at 3:07am
post #3446 of 3835
PE06MCG

I have suggested some changes and additional features in the past. And unlike some of the recent suggestions in this thread they were more reasonable and within the hardware limitations of the Duo. So my negativity towards this release is not because I do not want to see additional features added. I just feel that the addition of two more profiles whose access is buried in the menu doesn't warrant the praise it is receiving. A better firmware update, in my opinion, would be to enable the Duo to properly pass DVD-A and SACD (DSD) audio so that I don't need to use a splitter as a workaround. A proper backup utility from the company that makes the DUO would also be a nice touch instead of having to rely on the kindness of an individual to support such an app. Also adding patterns up to 109% would be worthwhile.

The features you mention in this release and the DUO Control Panel are needed and appreciated by many I'm sure. It is just that they are not necessary for me. CalMAN can zero out the profiles and is how I always have done it. CalMAN can now use triplets and I also have pattern generators so the added pattern selections in the DUO Control Panel I also do not use. As I previously wrote I feel with what this firmware release brings a user should think long and hard about updating if they currently have a fully working configuration to their liking. The couple of bones thrown out to us is not with the risk of breaking something.

This is my current setup. Blu-ray, HTPC, DTV, Dune, XBox and PS3 are connected to the Duo. The DVD is connected to a splitter which goes to both the DUO and the AVR (Because of the aforementioned audio issue). The DUO goes to the AVR, AVR to a Darblet and then to the display. I have a MX-980 programmed to control this setup and it does so with absolutely zero issues. A person that has never been to my house before can pick up the remote and with a single button be using any of these devices. I would be foolish to update to v2.4 and risk breaking this setup.
post #3447 of 3835
Thanks for reply Praz.

Please don't misunderstand my enthusiasm for this firmware development.

I am not saying they are exactly what I need I am saying that at last some development is on the SI agenda (and I assume budget).
Its direction may not be to everyone's taste but as you say at least choice can be made whether to update or not..

My hope is that further progress will happen, as you say there are hardware restraints so these changes have to happen within the chip(s) capability.

Like you (and using your great Calman Workflow), I am able to get fantastic video calibration results which is partly down to Duo and partly down to finding my TV's 'sweet spot' for maximum linearity..

Afraid my knowledge of Audio is even less than my Video so I presume your needs are for the Audio, at whatever form it is received at, can be allowed to pass through unchanged to your AV for processing?
If so, it does not seem unreasonable, particularly as the Duo already allows 3D to do this.
post #3448 of 3835
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

If so, it does not seem unreasonable, particularly as the Duo already allows 3D to do this.

I agree. the Duo is spec'd as HDMI 1.3 compliant. DVD-A was part of the 1.1 spec and DSD part of 1.2. So any type of workaround should not be needed. On the calibration side though the inclusion of up to 109% patterns should have been added long ago. This would be a trivial update and of benefit to the majority of users.
post #3449 of 3835
I recently got around to using the excellent Duo Control Panel. My duo is connected to my panel via HDMI, outputting RGB and 768p (my panel's native resolution). My display considers itself to be connected to a PC. According to the manual, when configured this way the display can accept up to 32-bit color.

Deep Color is greyed out in the Duo output menu, but I can force the Duo to output 10-bit color with the Duo Control Panel app. I did a quick test and confirmed with the Duo information screen that it was indeed outputting 30-bit color. I then quickly reverted back out of fear of breaking something in the Duo. What I would like to know is deep color the same as the 32-it color the display can accept? Or are they two different features?
Edited by Greg1981 - 1/16/13 at 4:42pm
post #3450 of 3835
I have an iScan Duo on the way for my Panny VT50. I already own Calman5 Basic and a Spectracal C3 meter. I have several questions:
1. Do I need anything else to calibrate my TV?
2. Do I need to upgrade the Basic Calman to get the ability to do auto calibration, and if so, what level must I have?

Auto calibration sounds great, as I've always entered using the remote. I have used in the past both the GetGray DVD, and a Calibug HDTV Pro to generate my patterns. Looking forward to learning more about calibration with the iScan Duo, and have begun to read this thread.
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