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post #3451 of 3672
1/16/13 at 5:52pm
You need either the Control or Enthusiast version of CalMAN when using CalMAN for processor control or AutoCal with the Duo.
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post #3452 of 3672
1/16/13 at 6:17pm
After updating mine had been fine but all of a sudden tonight out of nowhere I started losing the signal intermittently. Then the signal went in and out a bunch in a row. This was with Directv. I will experiment more tomorrow but I may have to find 2.32 and go back. With the NFL championships this weekend and guests over I can't take a chance of this happening during a game. Especially the Superbowl! eek.gif
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post #3453 of 3672
1/16/13 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

After updating mine had been fine but all of a sudden tonight out of nowhere I started losing the signal intermittently. Then the signal went in and out a bunch in a row. This was with Directv. I will experiment more tomorrow but I may have to find 2.32 and go back. With the NFL championships this weekend and guests over I can't take a chance of this happening during a game. Especially the Superbowl! eek.gif

No problems with any of your blu ray players Joe?
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post #3454 of 3672
1/17/13 at 1:30am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

After updating mine had been fine but all of a sudden tonight out of nowhere I started losing the signal intermittently. Then the signal went in and out a bunch in a row. This was with Directv. I will experiment more tomorrow but I may have to find 2.32 and go back. With the NFL championships this weekend and guests over I can't take a chance of this happening during a game. Especially the Superbowl! eek.gif

Hi Joe,

No problems at all here with the new firmware.
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Had similar problems caused by my Sky STB HDMI connection.
Replaced cable and all OK.
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post #3455 of 3672
1/17/13 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

I recently got around to using the excellent Duo Control Panel. My duo is connected to my panel via HDMI, outputting RGB and 768p (my panel's native resolution). My display considers itself to be connected to a PC. According to the manual, when configured this way the display can accept up to 32-bit color.

Deep Color is greyed out in the Duo output menu, but I can force the Duo to output 10-bit color with the Duo Control Panel app. I did a quick test and confirmed with the Duo information screen that it was indeed outputting 30-bit color. I then quickly reverted back out of fear of breaking something in the Duo. What I would like to know is deep color the same as the 32-it color the display can accept? Or are they two different features?

Not certain of the technicalities but I think the Duo Deep Colour options are 8 / 10 or 12 bits per R,G and B channel giving a total of 24,30 or 36.
I know I can output any of these without any potential damage to the Duo but my Display will not show anything other than 24.

For some reason my LCD CCFL TV allows the Duo to think it has the capability (not grayed out) but when Deep Color sent I get problems using some of the video outputs.

Speaking to the TV manufacturers, I find my TV does not support Deep Colour but as said above it continues to display at 8 bits per channel (albeit with some problems) despite receiving at the higher bit rate.
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post #3456 of 3672
1/17/13 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

No problems with any of your blu ray players Joe?

I would have to test. I only use dual hdmi out type players. My current and main player is the Oppo 103. smile.gif
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post #3457 of 3672
1/17/13 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Hi Joe,

No problems at all here with the new firmware.
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Had similar problems caused by my Sky STB HDMI connection.
Replaced cable and all OK.

I will play more today but I am using the exact same 8 footer HDMI cable as I did before. Funny thing is I had Directv on for about 4 hours Sunday and didnt have a problem. Then last night 5 minutes in it started. It could have been a fluke so I will experiment more this afternoon. After I unplugged the Duo and then re plugged back in it went away.
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post #3458 of 3672
1/17/13 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will play more today but I am using the exact same 8 footer HDMI cable as I did before. Funny thing is I had Directv on for about 4 hours Sunday and didnt have a problem. Then last night 5 minutes in it started. It could have been a fluke so I will experiment more this afternoon. After I unplugged the Duo and then re plugged back in it went away.

The other thing was the power input plug of the Duo.
It sometimes seems to work loose where it connects into the Duo and pressing it home fully from time to time I find is necessary.

Had my Duo now for some years (same time as you I think if you still have your original model) but hardware has never let me down however I suppose eventually press in parts can 'wear'.
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post #3459 of 3672
1/17/13 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will play more today but I am using the exact same 8 footer HDMI cable as I did before. Funny thing is I had Directv on for about 4 hours Sunday and didnt have a problem. Then last night 5 minutes in it started. It could have been a fluke so I will experiment more this afternoon. After I unplugged the Duo and then re plugged back in it went away.
Early yesterday evening I saw breakups on one of the local channels through DirecTV. I switched to OTA and there was no issues. I bit later switched back to DirecTV and everything was fine.
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post #3460 of 3672
1/17/13 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

The other thing was the power input plug of the Duo.
It sometimes seems to work loose where it connects into the Duo and pressing it home fully from time to time I find is necessary.

Had my Duo now for some years (same time as you I think if you still have your original model) but hardware has never let me down however I suppose eventually press in parts can 'wear'.

Actually this particular Duo was brand spanking new in December. I plan to further test shortly. HDMI can be so touchy it is crazy.
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post #3461 of 3672
1/17/13 at 8:09am
Has the hardware in the DUO changed any? Mine is from back in 2009. Are the same components still being used?
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post #3462 of 3672
1/17/13 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Has the hardware in the DUO changed any? Mine is from back in 2009. Are the same components still being used?

Don't know the answer to that but I genuinely have not had a single issue with the hardware apart from 'plugin' components working loose over time.

I only mentioned hardware as an issue because I know Joe had one of the original, pre release ones so, over time, he may have had the same problem I had.
Edited by PE06MCG - 1/17/13 at 10:22am
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post #3463 of 3672
1/17/13 at 1:55pm
Well, fired up the system with the new firmware and within 10 minutes started up again. Just rolled back to 2.32 and so far so good. Of course it's only been 10 minutes. I may go back to the newer one more time to confirm but as of now I highly recommend not installing it.
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post #3464 of 3672
1/17/13 at 4:09pm
Just got the duo installed, and have been impressed so far. No issues installing, pretty simple setup-Just a Blu Ray and DirecTV into a Panny VT50.
One question, however, is how do you make it fill the screen when playing BluRay's and letterboxed shows? I thought I read somewhere that it could do this automatically, but I've read the manual, and can't seem to find the right combination. I'm trying to keep a full picture on the Panny until I have a couple of hundred hours on it. Did I just dream that it could set a full screen automatically?
Also, how do you tell what resolution it is outputting to the TV? I have it set on 1080p60, but I can't find anything that tells me what it's putting out to check it.
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post #3465 of 3672
1/17/13 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

Just got the duo installed, and have been impressed so far. No issues installing, pretty simple setup-Just a Blu Ray and DirecTV into a Panny VT50.
One question, however, is how do you make it fill the screen when playing BluRay's and letterboxed shows? I thought I read somewhere that it could do this automatically, but I've read the manual, and can't seem to find the right combination. I'm trying to keep a full picture on the Panny until I have a couple of hundred hours on it. Did I just dream that it could set a full screen automatically?
Also, how do you tell what resolution it is outputting to the TV? I have it set on 1080p60, but I can't find anything that tells me what it's putting out to check it.

The Duo doesn't automatically change the aspect settings, you'll have to select "16:9 Full Frame", "4:3 Letterbox" (Zoom) or "Panorama" manually depending on your source.

Pressing the "Info" button on the remote will cycle through status information on-screen showing Duo input and output signal types and applicable settings.
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post #3466 of 3672
1/17/13 at 6:14pm
Thanks for the reply. I kind of figured that might be the case, and I stumbled upon the information screen and found the output.
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post #3467 of 3672
1/18/13 at 12:48am
Does anyone know what ‘Game Mode’ really means on the Duo? On the user menu it simply says:

“This mode is intended for use with game consoles (like those from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo). It minimizes video processing delay through the iScan Duo. The total amount of delay is about half a frame of delay when the output frame rate is locked to the input frame rate. Unlocked frame rates may increase this delay.”

Well to me it doesn’t really tell you what video processing is minimized.

The reason I asked is since the Duo’s release a crop of players with arguably more advance chipset has been released like Oppo 103/5, will it be better to have the game mode engaged theoretically to minimize redundant processing say watching a BD disc?
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post #3468 of 3672
1/18/13 at 4:09am
The processes that aren't used will be grayed out in game mode.
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post #3469 of 3672
1/18/13 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

The processes that aren't used will be grayed out in game mode.

Interesting shall give it a try.
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post #3470 of 3672
1/18/13 at 3:59pm
So back at 2.40 and so far hanging in there... smile.gif
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post #3471 of 3672
1/18/13 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

So back at 2.40 and so far hanging in there... smile.gif

Let us know how you go
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post #3472 of 3672
1/18/13 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

Does anyone know what ‘Game Mode’ really means on the Duo? On the user menu it simply says:

“This mode is intended for use with game consoles (like those from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo). It minimizes video processing delay through the iScan Duo. The total amount of delay is about half a frame of delay when the output frame rate is locked to the input frame rate. Unlocked frame rates may increase this delay.”

Well to me it doesn’t really tell you what video processing is minimized.

The reason I asked is since the Duo’s release a crop of players with arguably more advance chipset has been released like Oppo 103/5, will it be better to have the game mode engaged theoretically to minimize redundant processing say watching a BD disc?

I don't play games, but the Game Mode was very helpful in solving a sync problem between audio and video in my system.
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post #3473 of 3672
1/18/13 at 8:48pm
To avoid using an HDMI switch I'd like to take the HDMI output of my Oppo BDP-95 through my DVDO iScan Duo to my Cary Cinema 11a. The video from the Cary goes directly to a Sony VPL-50 projecting onto a 100" screen. Are there any known problems with such a link? The iScan Duo is currently handling only output from a DirecTV HD-DVR.

IIRC, the iScan Duo can pass DSD audio, although I'm using balanced analog stereo and 7.1 analog audio from the Oppo to Cary inputs set to bypass.

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post #3474 of 3672
1/18/13 at 9:09pm
The DUO has a dedicated HDMI audio output plus two outputs that can carry HDMI video/audio.

I completely forgot about the HDMI audio only output until I rewired my connections a few weeks ago.. If I had remembered it a was there I would have purchased a 3D BD player over a year ago since my receiver can't handle above HDMI 1.3.
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post #3475 of 3672
1/19/13 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I don't play games, but the Game Mode was very helpful in solving a sync problem between audio and video in my system.

How did you do this?

I ask because I have ongoing problems that up to now I have considered to be an STB problem.

I have a Sky HD STB that often gets video / audio out of sync usually when playing back a recorded program.
Normally I solve it by doing a rewind of a few seconds duration but sometimes it needs selection of say an SD channel or an HD channel then try again.
Occasionally I cannot solve it at all and live with the problem for that recording.
Usual TV viewing may very occasionally have this problem but solution 1 above has invariably worked.

I never get problems with my other inputs a Sony BD, an Oppo BD, the wife's Wii and a Dune.(playing network streamed NAS stored programs).
Edited by PE06MCG - 1/19/13 at 8:16am
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post #3476 of 3672
1/19/13 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

How did you do this?

I ask because I have ongoing problems that up to now I have considered to be an STB problem.

I have a Sky HD STB that often gets video / audio out of sync usually when playing back a recorded program.
Normally I solve it by doing a rewind of a few seconds duration but sometimes it needs selection of say an SD channel or an HD channel then try again.
Occasionally I cannot solve it at all and live with the problem for that recording.
Usual TV viewing may very occasionally have this problem but solution 1 above has invariably worked.

I never get problems with my other inputs a Sony BD, an Oppo BD, the wife's Wii and a Dune.(playing network streamed NAS stored programs).

Sorry, I should have noted my problem was with BDs. I don't recall it happening with DVDs, and I've rarely had sync issues with broadcast TV of any kind, and the few times I did it was the content, not my setup.
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post #3477 of 3672
1/19/13 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Let us know how you go

Same result. Started up again today and had it on Showtime HD (1080i) and after about 10 or 15 minutes again the established handshake was lost. Sporadically flashing ensued like before. Just rolled back again to 2.32 where I plan to stay. Don't get me wrong, I definitely applaud their new focus on the Duo and pray that it continues. Between my Darblet, Oppo 103 amd Marantz 8801 (not to mention the Duo) there is obviously a HDMI glitch that occurs. The newer components (before mentioned) may not like something in 2.40. Of course it might just be one of them. Either way 2.32 works perfectly.

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post #3478 of 3672
1/19/13 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Same result. Started up again today and had it on Showtime HD (1080i) and after about 10 or 15 minutes again the established handshake was lost. Sporadically flashing ensued like before. Just rolled back again to 2.32 where I plan to stay. Don't get me wrong, I definitely applaud their new focus on the Duo and pray that it continues. Between my Darblet, Oppo 103 amd Marantz 8801 (not to mention the Duo) there is obviously a HDMI glitch that occurs. The newer components (before mentioned) may not like something in 2.40. Of course it might just be one of them. Either way 2.32 works perfectly.

smile.gif

I'm running some old bd players and the new firmware caused the hdmi glitch as well. Going back to the previous firmware stable again. I'm sure they will have a fix for it soon.
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post #3479 of 3672
1/19/13 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

IIRC, the iScan Duo can pass DSD audio
The Duo should pass both DSD and DVD-A. I have never got sound from either stream though. I connect the DVD player to a 1x2 splitter. One output goes to the Duo for DVDs and the other to the AVR for SACD/DVD-A disks. This works fine.
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post #3480 of 3672
1/19/13 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Same result. Started up again today and had it on Showtime HD (1080i) and after about 10 or 15 minutes again the established handshake was lost. Sporadically flashing ensued like before. Just rolled back again to 2.32 where I plan to stay. Don't get me wrong, I definitely applaud their new focus on the Duo and pray that it continues. Between my Darblet, Oppo 103 amd Marantz 8801 (not to mention the Duo) there is obviously a HDMI glitch that occurs. The newer components (before mentioned) may not like something in 2.40. Of course it might just be one of them. Either way 2.32 works perfectly.

smile.gif

Obviously some problem somewhere.

I think we've all got used to the solidity of previous firmware version.
Seem to remember some scary early firmware versions Joe so like you I am confident things will be resolved.
As you say, it may not be solely down to the Duo but if your combination of hardware can be sorted by using a 'safe haven' firmware on the Duo that's the way to go.

Not yet got any problems but my hardware combination does not include any of yours (apart from an Oppo) so I shall continue with v2.40.
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