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post #3511 of 3835
Hi guys,
I recently added DVDO Duo to my system (Dune Base+JVC RS45+Pioneer LX85) and starting to get the "Handshake bug" which are splashing green screen and occasional blank blue screen. Having to shutdown and power my JVC on again and again is a pain.
So, after reading thru here. I understand that if I downgrade the firmware to 2.32 should fix the problem. I want to backup my calibrated CMS data but cannot seem to find a download link for the control panel software on DVDO website. And do I need a serial cable to do that?
Could anyone please guide me to the light?
Thanks!
post #3512 of 3835
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Originally Posted by boeingdriver View Post

Hi guys,
I recently added DVDO Duo to my system (Dune Base+JVC RS45+Pioneer LX85) and starting to get the "Handshake bug" which are splashing green screen and occasional blank blue screen. Having to shutdown and power my JVC on again and again is a pain.
So, after reading thru here. I understand that if I downgrade the firmware to 2.32 should fix the problem. I want to backup my calibrated CMS data but cannot seem to find a download link for the control panel software on DVDO website. And do I need a serial cable to do that?
Could anyone please guide me to the light?
Thanks!

It's because it's from a forum member here (mdehoog) and not DVDO. His excellent control tool can be found HERE

You will need a serial cable. Hopefully 2.32 will be stable for you.
post #3513 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Greg1981 View Post

It's because it's from a forum member here (mdehoog) and not DVDO. His excellent control tool can be found HERE

You will need a serial cable. Hopefully 2.32 will be stable for you.

Awesome! Thanks man.
Just to clarify my stupidity, I should...
1.Download control panel v1.1
2.Buy a serial to usb cable
3.Run backup!
4.Downgrade Duo firmware to 2.32
5.And then do i need version 0.8 to upload to Duo?
post #3514 of 3835
I've been reading these comments about handshaking and I have a question regarding splash screens. I have a Duo connected to a Panasonic VT50. My sources are a FIOS 732 DVR and an Oppo BDP-83. When I first turn everything on I get different color splash screens for about 5 seconds or so, then everything is rock solid. Is this normal? Are the splash screens normal during the syncing of the initial handshaking? I am using 1-meter HDMI cables.

Thanks
post #3515 of 3835
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I've been reading these comments about handshaking and I have a question regarding splash screens. I have a Duo connected to a Panasonic VT50. My sources are a FIOS 732 DVR and an Oppo BDP-83. When I first turn everything on I get different color splash screens for about 5 seconds or so, then everything is rock solid. Is this normal? Are the splash screens normal during the syncing of the initial handshaking? I am using 1-meter HDMI cables.

Thanks

I think this is normal. I get the same thing with my Duo, Comcast DVR and GT50. I ended up programming my universal remote to delay the turn-on of the GT50 until after the DVR and Duo complete their handshake and this eliminated color splash screens.
post #3516 of 3835
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Originally Posted by boeingdriver View Post

2.Buy a serial to usb cable

A cable that uses the FTDI chipset is best.
post #3517 of 3835
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

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Originally Posted by boeingdriver View Post

2.Buy a serial to usb cable

A cable that uses the FTDI chipset is best.
Thanks for the tips. I got one for 10bucks today and finally completed the downgrade.
post #3518 of 3835
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Thanks! I would assume, then, since CMS remains active that grayscale/gamma correction do too, right?

I don't care much for DE/EE filters, so that's really badass!

Right now, I'm using a Sony KDL-60EX645 which has something like 100ms+ of lag outside of Game mode, but about 32ms of lag in game mode. The Sony has no CMS at all, no gamma correction, and only a two point white balance... even outside of game mode...

I was thinking to add this VP to it and bring it up to 48 ms of lag in game mode with all corrections... turning off the VP entirely when playing a "twitch" game.

Well, it was either this or try out a new Sharp LE650/LE657, when they come out this month or next, in hopes the SOE problem outside of game mode is resolved. (Because I wanted a CMS, and at least 10 point white balance correction, but if the VP only adds less than a frame while giving me all that, I think I should just keep the Sony!)
Yes CMS includes grayscale/gamma correction.

I'm using a Sharp 60LE635, it is also given as having a ~30ms in game mode. With the built in calibration + Duo picture is really stunning.
post #3519 of 3835
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

A cable that uses the FTDI chipset is best.
I second this recommandation. Other hardware may be fine but what really matters if the drivers and FTDI provides stable ones.
post #3520 of 3835
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Originally Posted by BeNooL View Post

Yes CMS includes grayscale/gamma correction.

I'm using a Sharp 60LE635, it is also given as having a ~30ms in game mode. With the built in calibration + Duo picture is really stunning.
Thank you so much for your answer!

Now, I just need to find a place to get a deal on the iScan Duo... Besides Amazon at almost 1.2k brand new and a used one on eBay, I don't really know any avenues for buying a unit. B&H had it as $899, but out of stock.
post #3521 of 3835
Calman 5.1 now available:

http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=4600
Edited by p5browne - 2/26/13 at 9:12am
post #3522 of 3835
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Thank you so much for your answer!

Now, I just need to find a place to get a deal on the iScan Duo... Besides Amazon at almost 1.2k brand new and a used one on eBay, I don't really know any avenues for buying a unit. B&H had it as $899, but out of stock.

It not often you buy a product over 2 years a go and it's still holding it's price.
post #3523 of 3835
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Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post

It not often you buy a product over 2 years a go and it's still holding it's price.

Just about everyone has put their prices up! Do they actually even make any new product anymore?
I've got a spare in my room, but I use it to calibrate my wife's and daughter's LGs. Trying to get wife to let me install it permanently, but she doesn't want any more Gagets in her room!

The cheapest I found was:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/652144-REG/DVDO_MM701_iScan_Duo_High_Definition_Video.html
post #3524 of 3835
Yeah, but it's sadly out of stock.
post #3525 of 3835
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Yeah, but it's sadly out of stock.

If you're going to pay the current pricing, then you might as go:

http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm

and get the Radiance Mini with 125 Point Calibration, and a Darbee thrown in.
post #3526 of 3835
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

If you're going to pay the current pricing, then you might as go:

http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm

and get the Radiance Mini with 125 Point Calibration, and a Darbee thrown in.
Problem with the Radiance is the almost 3 frames of lag (44ms ) it adds, this is in the Radiance's Game mode, as opposed to the iScan Duo's Game mode which adds half a frame (8ms). (Obviously I play games and being able to get a kick ass picture while adding very little lag is a really big bonus for the iScan Duo)

I am sure the Radiance would provide a better picture overall, but I think the iScan Duo with it's 11 point WB, Gamma and CMS will be fine for me.

Numbers for Radiance obtained from http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lumagen-radiance-mini-3d-201210152092.htm
post #3527 of 3835
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Problem with the Radiance is the almost 3 frames of lag (44ms ) it adds, this is in the Radiance's Game mode, as opposed to the iScan Duo's Game mode which adds half a frame (8ms). (Obviously I play games and being able to get a kick ass picture while adding very little lag is a really big bonus for the iScan Duo)

I am sure the Radiance would provide a better picture overall, but I think the iScan Duo with it's 11 point WB, Gamma and CMS will be fine for me.

Numbers for Radiance obtained from http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lumagen-radiance-mini-3d-201210152092.htm
If you are going to look at the Radiance might as wait till the new models are released. Lumagen has already stated they are working on the release and when available both the current models and the Duo will most likely be available used for lower prices then you are seeing now.
post #3528 of 3835
Running firmware v2.40

Several weeks ago and then the last couple nights, my Duo started doing some strange things when trying to calibrate my 65VT50. Both times using ChromaPure.

The first was when the program got to measuring the color windows. Whenever it got to blue, a greenish color would be shown. I stopped/exited the program. The screen generated by the Dua was green instead of the normal Blue. A factory reset cleared the issue.

Thursday I tried to calibrate. During Grayscale was getting readings of:

xxx% Grayscale xy = (0.721,0.279)
dE = 263.10

The above for 100% - 10% Grayscale. When it got to the colored windows it went crazy. The colors were jumping all over the place. Stopped/exited before it finished. Once again the screen color was some horrible combination of colors. This time just reset the Picture controls. Seemed to fix color issue. Have not done a new calibration yet.

Both times was on defaut settings and Custom. Always chance I accidentally picked something not sure of.

Could this be firmware related?

Thanks for help.

Steve

EDIT: Ran several calibrations between above with no problem. Trying to learn how to use Chromapure. Tks
Edited by Thunderduck - 2/23/13 at 8:31am
post #3529 of 3835
"Duo now features four CMS profiles for each of its two outputs: Day, Night, ISF Day, and ISF Night."

Are these CMS profiles 'hardwired' or can they be modified? If they can be changed, how? The manual does not go into much detail. I understand where the ISF Day and Night come from but where/how do you get Day and Night? Appreciate the help.

Tks,

Steve
post #3530 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Thunderduck View Post

"Duo now features four CMS profiles for each of its two outputs: Day, Night, ISF Day, and ISF Night."

Are these CMS profiles 'hardwired' or can they be modified? If they can be changed, how? The manual does not go into much detail. I understand where the ISF Day and Night come from but where/how do you get Day and Night? Appreciate the help.

Tks,

Steve


From the manual. The ISF profiles are accessed the same way. Although IMO they are pretty much useless without discrete code. When you change a setting it is changed in the profile being used when that setting was changed. Same with calibration.
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3. Day and Night Modes
Added CMS Day and Night profile selection to support Day and Night modes. The P1 button on the
remote toggles between Day and Night mode.

Day and Night profiles are selected using Profile Select sub-menu

Main Menu _ Output Setup _ CMS _ Profile Select
Day Select Day mode
Night Select Night mode
post #3531 of 3835
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

From the manual. The ISF profiles are accessed the same way. Although IMO they are pretty much useless without discrete code. When you change a setting it is changed in the profile being used when that setting was changed. Same with calibration.

Thank you.
post #3532 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Thunderduck View Post

Thank you.

You're welcome. smile.gif
post #3533 of 3835
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Just about everyone has put their prices up! Do they actually even make any new product anymore?
I've got a spare in my room, but I use it to calibrate my wife's and daughter's LGs. Trying to get wife to let me install it permanently, but she doesn't want any more Gagets in her room!

My spare iScan Duo now in place with my wife's LG 42LH90.

Still work in progress: as Calman gets better, so does the 55LHX and 42LH90. After much experimenting we're now doing the following.
#1. It appears that calibrating the actual 55LHX and 42LH90, seems to stress the TVs. On my 55LHX, have now off loaded the calibration onto a Lumagen Radiance XE-3D that I picked up on a Black Friday special pricing. (Even better deal now currently re: open box special at www.curtpalme.com with Darbee thrown in - 3 left). My wife's 55LHX and 42LH90 calibration are now off loaded onto an iScan Duos. The Theatre Room LG 55LV9500 is also off loaded onto an iScan Duo.)
#2. Calibration is done on Expert 1. The Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness and Tint values are placed in all the other Modes. (Backlight, Contrast, Brightness calibrated inside Calman. Colour tweaked inside Calman) All the other Modes have Colour set to Zero. All Modes have any 10 Point IRE's, 2 Point, and CMS values set to Zeroes. All Modes have Gamma set to Low on the 55LHX, Medium on the 42LH90 and White Balance to Warm.
On the 42LH90 and 55LV9500, all HDMI Inputs are zeroed, excepting the Input I'm working on. (Input 2.)
#3. Service Menu White Balances for Cool, Medium and Warm, RGB Gains and Cuts, calibrated for Warm setting values.
#4. The Expert 1 2 Point values are calibrated from within Calman during calibration, and the Expert 1 2/10 Point selection, is left on 2 Point.
#5. Once everything is setup, calibration is done with a Spectracal C6, profiled from a i1Pro, using the current Calman 5.1 version, and AutoCal is used for the 11 Point, and 125 Point 3D LUT. On the iScan Duos, AutoCal for 11 Point and CMS.
Since moving to this form and structure, have had far less problems with the LGs - leaving the stress to the XE and Duos. PQ now looks like watching out your front window to the world, after cleaning the window, and adding a Darbee (on my set only) to enhance the experience!

One thing I've noticed since doing this, when I do a complete reset to all zeroes, the PQ is now looking pretty good. The calibration just makes it look that much better!
post #3534 of 3835
This might the wrong forum but can someone point me to the right direction on how to claibrate for dummies like myself. Im sick of paying my ISF calibrator a fee of $650au every time I need to calibrate it. Id rather learn myself or if there is a one touch auto button that calman has for the DUO where you can sit back and let it do its work automatically?

Thanks
post #3535 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

This might the wrong forum but can someone point me to the right direction on how to calibrate for dummies like myself. Im sick of paying my ISF calibrator a fee of $650au every time I need to calibrate it. Id rather learn myself or if there is a one touch auto button that calman has for the DUO where you can sit back and let it do its work automatically?

Thanks

$650 will buy you a few of the Spectracal Bundles:

http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/calman5-bundles.html
post #3536 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

This might the wrong forum but can someone point me to the right direction on how to claibrate for dummies like myself. Im sick of paying my ISF calibrator a fee of $650au every time I need to calibrate it. Id rather learn myself or if there is a one touch auto button that calman has for the DUO where you can sit back and let it do its work automatically?

Take a look here: http://www.avsforum.com/f/139/display-calibration

I'm using Chromapure with i1pro and DVDO iScan Duo to automatically calibrate both JVC X9 and Samsung 55" 8000 series LED.
post #3537 of 3835
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Yeah, but it's sadly out of stock.

Just in:

http://chromapure.com/products-duo.asp
post #3538 of 3835
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

$650 will buy you a few of the Spectracal Bundles:

http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/calman5-bundles.html

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Originally Posted by HomerJau View Post

Take a look here: http://www.avsforum.com/f/139/display-calibration

I'm using Chromapure with i1pro and DVDO iScan Duo to automatically calibrate both JVC X9 and Samsung 55" 8000 series LED.

Thank you
post #3539 of 3835
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Just in:

http://chromapure.com/products-duo.asp

That's what I want and that does everything ?
post #3540 of 3835
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

That's what I want and that does everything ?

Most of Spectracal's Calman packages will do AutoCal and accept a fair amount of Meters. (Read what each Level of Calman does what, and what it supports.)
ChromaPure packages the same, but limited to Meter purchased or specified.
Both vendors usually have a comparision chart somewhere on their website.

Also, for the iScan Duo, try e-mailing: http://shop.thxvideotech.com/products/Simplay-DVDO-Duo-Video-Processor.html
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