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post #151 of 426
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Tapes - oh yeah I have a couple. The plumber from last night walked out with my favorite, thus I bought my new favorite. I can't really blame him. He offered to go get his but I said mine is right here.
post #152 of 426
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HELP!

Anyone please chime in, but I'm especially curious what the locals have to say. I need to place an order for Monday delivery and now can't decide.
post #153 of 426
I just picked up about 40 at a time. If you don't get to them right away, they can warp as they sit in your basement. On the otherhand, if you plan on marathoning this part out, order all at once. Just try to keep it stacked nice and neat, that may hellp it from warping some.

As for source, HD is $80 delivery. Their stock is not always that good, that is why I would go hand pick what I would use. prices of lumber change all the time too, and the 2x96" is cheaper than the 2x92 5/8" weird. more material for cheaper.

Lumber yard might get some better stock, but you would need to check on prices.

Sorry, don't know of any lumber yards over on your side of town. Call them now, because they seem to close at 5, and may have very limited weekend hours if at all. HD you can order whenever.
post #154 of 426
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I did a lot of historical AVS research and ended up ordering 290 2x4x8 kiln dried studs from Lowes for $1.76 each ($79 delivery). Home Depot doesn't take orders on the weekend (odd considering Lowes does). Based on what I read since I will be getting an entire "pack" that hasn't been picked over I'll reduce my chances of getting more than my fair share of bad stock. So, the studs should arrive before noon on Monday - the same day my DC04 clips arrive.

Today I picked up a few more tools: ramset (hammer kind)/bullets/nails, framing nailer gun/nails, ear plugs, work gloves. Tomorrow I plan to pick up the pressure treated studs for the base plates. Because that will be the last run before I really start working I want to put a call out for any other tools/materials that I might need during framing. I'd like to not have to make any HD runs until I'm done with framing.

Since I won't be a member of this group:


What am I missing for framing?

Here is the list so far:

Materials
  • Pressure treated base plates (should I get 2x4x8 or 2x4x10 or 2x4x12?)
  • 290 framing studs 2x4x8 (bottom plate, top plate, walls)
  • 2,000 framing nails for gun, 10 gauge, 3 1/2"
  • What nails for floating wall stability (3" float)?
  • DC04 clips to attach walls/joists

Tools
  • 12" Compound Miter Saw, Stanley saw horses
  • Pancake compressor + 8-10 gauge framing nailer
  • 4' level, 2' level
  • Framing square, speed square
  • Corded drill, 18v cordless drill, 12v cordless drill
  • Tons of various deck screw boxes
  • Chaulk line
  • Tapes, sharpies, carpenters pencils
  • 6' ladder
  • Work light
  • Hammers, small sledge, heavy rubber sledge
  • 6" planer

I already have the safety angle covered...




Suggestions?
post #155 of 426
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Originally Posted by Audixium View Post

I'd like to not have to make any HD runs until I'm done with framing.

Well, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first!



I was going to have oit all planned out, too, but I've lost track of the number of trips I've made to HD. Now I just assume I better plan on going there 3 -4 times a week.
post #156 of 426
more tool suggestions:

plumb bob - make sure top and bottom plate are aligned.
bar clamps - helps for everything where 2 hands are not enough.
screws for DC04 clips.
60 penny spikes for floating walls
band aids and advill.
post #157 of 426
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You know the guy who lists his Home Depot runs in his sig?

You know my question earlier about wanting to have all the proper tools before starting my ahem, "sprint" today?

I think I'm gonna have him beat at this pace...

1st trip at noon (technically the lunch run ) - chalk to fill new chalk line tool
2nd trip at 1:30pm - 90 degree laser level
3rd trip at 2:30pm - the sledge and Ramset just weren't t cutting it so I'm headed BACK to get the top of the line gun.

Luckily I have two Home Depots and two Lowes all about the same distance from the house. I'm not showing up at the same place FOUR times a day!

Oh yeah, Hanes you should check back in later this evening. I have some wood pile pin-ups for you.
post #158 of 426
Just a heads up. We are approaching the worst time of the year do do framing in the basement. The humidity level in homes drops during the winter. What that means is when you start storing a load of lumber in your house the dry air will start warping and twisting the studs. The pressure treated is the worst. Getting it tied into a wall helps keep it straight.

There are three strategies. Keep your house as humid as possible. Keep your lumber stacked tight and wrapped in a water proof tarp. If you are bringing home your own lumber only buy as much as you will use in a couple of days.
post #159 of 426
I go to HD about every day. Even if I don't really need anything. Gets me out of the office, and catches all the little things I need for that nights project.

Today, I got another 5lb box of drywall screws, an extended #2 phillips bit for the impact driver and a tube of caulk for the kids bathroom.
post #160 of 426
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Just a heads up. We are approaching the worst time of the year do do framing in the basement. The humidity level in homes drops during the winter. What that means is when you start storing a load of lumber in your house the dry air will start warping and twisting the studs. The pressure treated is the worst. Getting it tied into a wall helps keep it straight.

There are three strategies. Keep your house as humid as possible. Keep your lumber stacked tight and wrapped in a water proof tarp. If you are bringing home your own lumber only buy as much as you will use in a couple of days.

This is always a problem in Colorado, we are basically in a desert.

But this is what I meant when I said keep you lumber neat, stacked, so at least the inside peices are held tight from warping. Never thought about using a tarp also.
post #161 of 426
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Hanes - luckily there is a Home Depot on my way to (and from) work. I was just hoping I wouldn't have to break up the first "build sprint" day with ANY trips let alone THREE!

Big - thanks for the reminder. The plan is to have all of the pressure treated base plates shot into the concrete by end of day tomorrow, maybe Wednesday. Hopefully all the partition walls (bottom plate, top plate, and vertical members) will be in place by end of day Friday. I know that is pushing the "couple day" rule of thumb, but I'm willing to live a little on the wild side (and pay for it later).

Chia - my wife gets a good laugh a couple times a week because I've been spending lunch hours at the HD that is 5 minutes from my office...

On to the progress (or lack thereof).

Today started out great! Lowes delivered and unloaded the lumber by 7:15am. It was all down the hatch (photo below) by 10:00am. The UPS man showed up with the DC04 clips at 10:30am - he never shows before 3pm.

As delivered


"The Hatch"


The Hatch is now clear


The Stepchildren


It was all happening like clockwork.

That was of course, until I pulled out the chalk line tool I bought and realized it didn't have any chalk. Oh well, it was close enough to lunch. We go to lunch, grab the chalk and head back home. As I'm using the framing square in a corner trying to line up the first base plate, it isn't looking right. My dad suggests a laser line. I can't find my old one anywhere. We agreed it was important enough to go back to the store. So we go get a 90 degree corner laser. This is working out perfect now - the first line is snapped. I love the laser!

We position the first board along the snapped line. We read the safety instructions for the hammer activation Ramset - because if you weren't paying attention earlier we have Workplace Safety Standards. After eight bullets we decide we should go to the store and buy the trigger activated Ramset. That would be the THIRD trip to Home Depot!

At this point dear old dad needs to take off. No worries, I figure by the time I get back my 12 year old video gaming son will be home from school and would love to help dad shoot up the floor. We are of course, trying to live up to family expectations:



But it turns out the completely skittish, 'fraidy cat, saved from a puppy mill, hits the deck when a cabinet door closes, barks at the wind, attached to my son's hip yellow lab we adopted earlier this year...doesn't like loud noises, like bullets in guns. Who knew? So I was on my own. I shot up a few studs and then called it a night.

Hopefully tomorrow will be more fruitful. At this rate I think I might break the Hanes-O-Meter.
post #162 of 426
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Originally Posted by Audixium View Post

Hopefully tomorrow will be more fruitful. At this rate I think I might break the Hanes-O-Meter.

The sight of all that lumber brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat. That whirring noise you hear in the distance is the sound of the Hanes-o-meter firing up. It always makes that awful noise when it hasn't been run in a while.

Next time I need a bunch of lumber (i.e. when hell freeezes over) I'll have to try the home delivery route. That looks much easier - and safer - than the way my buddies and I brought home my last woodpile.



Before you begin your second day, be sure to take a few moments to center yourself, do your breathing exercises and become one with the wood. Pile, that is.
post #163 of 426
OK, just for those who haven't seen it.

post #164 of 426
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Are you guys following me around and taking pictures without consent?

Lessons learned today:

1) It will always take so much longer than you ever potentially foreshadowed thinking about anticipating......driving you to drink. This then brings you to the realization that there is no "build sprinting" when you are a novice.

2) See #1, start the infinite loop if you can't make the jump to #3.

3) When using DC04 clips to attach walls to the joists, start building at that connection. Do not start by the laying out the room on the floor with chalk lines, bullets, and permanently affixed nails into concrete. You see, the joists only make appearances at certain places above, dictating your wall connections and thus its location - you have an entire concrete slab below to install the base plate (not so much the other way around). I know I could block between the joists, but jeeze...at this pace...ugggh

Since my dad can't help tomorrow and the wife is off work do you think she'll stay home and help out a bit, or go shopping? How about the same question applied to Friday?

On a related note, my welder brother in law is coming Thursday morning and staying through Friday morning. Once he is here I figure I can get him downstairs for a couple hours as a second pair of hands. My wife thinks I should warn him now. Votes?

Score:

Bandaids: 0
Advil: more than the recommended dosage
Fingers: still have 'em
Knees: 1
Back: see "Advil"
post #165 of 426
No warning when he comes over show him what you're doing then indirectly say something like yea I'm probably gonna try and get some work done for a few hours today n tomorrow... If he's willing to help he'll say I'll help!
post #166 of 426
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

No warning when he comes over show him what you're doing then indirectly say something like yea I'm probably gonna try and get some work done for a few hours today n tomorrow... If he's willing to help he'll say I'll help!

I would've done that but my wife spilled the beans last night.

Here is the woeful clip progress. Hoping this is ok...

post #167 of 426
couldn't tell, did you use screws or nails on the clips strap? screws don't have the shear strength of nails.
post #168 of 426
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Originally Posted by Chiahead View Post

couldn't tell, did you use screws or nails on the clips strap? screws don't have the shear strength of nails.

Screws - from page three of the instructions:

Quote:


DO NOT fasten DC-04 to framing members with nails. Use only approved fasteners.

Quote:


MECHANICAL FASTENERS:
-Wood : #8 x 2-1/2 inch minimum size coarse thread screw. (Recommended #10 x 2-1/2 inch hex head).
post #169 of 426
That video is a great example of "The Pillar Box Effect" if anyone was wondering...

Great Start...keep em' coming
post #170 of 426
oops, mine are all nails. Too late to get at them, they have been drywalled.
post #171 of 426
Nice touch on the video. Your ceiling looks just like mine with the stupid duct work running like that. What are your plans for that?
post #172 of 426
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Originally Posted by Big Worms View Post

Nice touch on the video. Your ceiling looks just like mine with the stupid duct work running like that. What are your plans for that?

Well, I'm going to put the whole thing in a soffit that is above the first row, bar, and "second row" bar seating. It's going to break up the room into two space: (1) black hole type first row forward, and (2) back are for sports socializing and eating at the bar while watching.

Here is the progress after working by myself today.



All this work today made me long for just a few short months ago, relaxing in an air conditioned cafe in downtown Puerto Vallarta and listening to a little Mariachi. Watch for a brief appearance by Mr. Cuervo.

post #173 of 426
And the fun begins! Those walls look great (a lot better than my first attempts)..

Keep it up!
post #174 of 426
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Originally Posted by Black Banshee View Post

And the fun begins! Those walls look great (a lot better than my first attempts)..

Keep it up!

If it weren't for the detailed instructions you sent I'd have wall framing that looked something like this:



Your blocking technique works great for a one man operation. Thanks!
post #175 of 426
Erik,

Doing a great job on the room. Now that you are full of Turkey, I expect work to re-start tomorrow
post #176 of 426
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

Erik,

Doing a great job on the room. Now that you are full of Turkey, I expect work to re-start tomorrow

I re-started work, just not in the basement. I spared the BIL on turkey day, but we did share "red neck" power tool stories.

I would say I'm using the infamous thinking chair, but there isn't one down there. Luckily the wife and kids are going out of state for a week starting Christmas day. I hope to get my dad and cousin over during that time to make some progress and put a "Done" stamp on framing.

Last weekend I watched Star Trek with my son in the living room setup (we saw it first in the theater). It was great of course on the 150" screen, but didn't compare to the "IMAX" experience. In the theater the video wasn't great, but the audio - WOW! We were sitting in about the 12th row and could feel all the LFE in the chest. At home it just didn't compare. So now I'm thinking Steve's idea of dual monster subs moved into a higher priority position than a few other ideas. This either kills my isolation budget or WAF.

I just finished watching Terminator. The fam was all in bed so I was on the headphones. Now, about a month ago my son broke my Sennheiser wireless headphones, so I was using my main wired studio cans (Sony MDR-7506's). I cranked it up more than normal and WHOOOAAA! I've never felt the headphone woofers vibrate like that...it was awesome! Sure it doesn't compare to a complete 7.2 setup but it blew the Sennheiser wireless setup into bits.

That movie renewed my motivation to have a dedicated space that is isolated so I don't have to use cans anymore...
post #177 of 426
When I heard (read) El Mariachi I thought you had lunch with this guy...

post #178 of 426
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Originally Posted by 2panther View Post

When I heard (read) El Mariachi I thought you had lunch with this guy...

My wife would have liked that.

Meanwhile....it seems the strategy that my master taught me is taking hold earlier than planned:

Sitting quietly, doing nothing, spring comes, and the grass grows by itself.

Hopefully I'll get off my laurels this weekend and make some progress. I'm not sure how likely that is because my new Samsung T260HD 26" monitor gets delivered today and I plan to spend some time on the demo disc.
post #179 of 426
your right, demo comes first!!!

So you have already sprained your ankle on your first build sprint huh? Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint.
post #180 of 426
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Originally Posted by Audixium View Post

My wife would have liked that.

Meanwhile....it seems the strategy that my master taught me is taking hold earlier than planned:

Sitting quietly, doing nothing, spring comes, and the grass grows by itself.

Hopefully I'll get off my laurels this weekend and make some progress. I'm not sure how likely that is because my new Samsung T260HD 26" monitor gets delivered today and I plan to spend some time on the demo disc.

Mmmmmm.... I like that, have to break down the monitor. All for the good of THE DEMO. Thank you for waiting Zen Garden!
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