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post #61 of 422
what did you use to make those elevation pics? I am trying to figure out screen dimensions, and am having problems getting Visio to do what I really want, so thought I would ask what you used.
post #62 of 422
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I used Visio 2007
post #63 of 422
that could be my problem, I only have 2003.
post #64 of 422
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What problems were you having?
post #65 of 422
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Some layout updates...

I think the overall layout is fairly firm at this point, so I started an elevation of the left wall. To cover up my pole I have it wrapped in a 6" wood column. That isn't part of the large column design, just something in the field of vision. It's hard to make out the soffits, but my plan is to use a flat piece of trim for the light tray. I haven't figured out my star ceiling/absorption yet so it's missing. I'm curious what input folks have.

Come on man -- where are the pics of the front and rear of your room? Those are the "money" walls
post #66 of 422
awesome where in littleton are ya?!
post #67 of 422
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Come on man -- where are the pics of the front and rear of your room? Those are the "money" walls

Hey! I'm saving the eye candy...wait, I should post before CJO gets his Lil' Bo Peep post back in order.

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awesome where in littleton are ya?!

South of C470. Did you see a big improvement going from the RC-52 to RC-62? I've been thinking about making that switch in my living room but wasn't sure I'd be able to tell a difference. Was it a big change for you?
post #68 of 422
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that could be my problem, I only have 2003.

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What problems were you having?

I see his problem. He's 4 short.

2007 - 2003 = 4

My job here is done.
post #69 of 422
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You should pay attention to the Zen Master more carefully....

You see, 2007 minus 2003 does not equal four. It was only one release cycle. So, he is only one beer short of a sick pack - not four. Maybe that is why he can't work it out.
post #70 of 422
cool I am near kipling and bowles...


and I noticed a huge difference when switching to the 62! the 52 looks so tiny next to the 62!

got it for cheap on 6thave when they have the name your own price sale going on
post #71 of 422
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Front Wall ('cause Steve asked nicely)


I also updated the second post to reflect the current layout/design direction.
post #72 of 422
Not sure what my problem is (with Visio), all kinds of porblems otherwise...

I didn't have much time to look into it, or desire right now, since the project is all about drywall. I don't need to worry about the front until the stage is in, and the soffets, and I am getting ready for the false wall and riser.
post #73 of 422
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I don't need to worry about the front until the stage is in, and the soffets, and I am getting ready for the false wall and riser.

Plan your work, work your plan...or just wing it.

As my Zen Master once told me: When the task is done beforehand, then it is easy.



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The Zen of Screen Size
I'm very close to making a wise decision. In almost every v1.0 HT reflection statement the builder says "I'm going bigger next time around". Since I'm at one with my pole, I decided I should ensure that I'll forever be at one with my screen size. Therefore, I am 90% sure that I'm going to build the screenwall as one huge SeymourAV AT screen. That's right, floor to ceiling AT material. Then, I'll setup a system to mask to whatever the projector of the year can muster. How you like them apples?

I made my decision within seven breaths. I'm definitely going for this. In order for it to work and allow for some black masking around the screen, the largest I could go in the future would be a 14' 2.40:1 screen area. I'm planning on starting with a 12' 2.40:1 screen area. So, I do intend to use the "clip and zip" method for mounting the SeymourAV XD fabric, going pretty much completely floor to ceiling and between the columns. Then, when the PJ of the year comes out I can just change out the masking - if I haven't automated it by then.

I also will need the screen structure to be very strong, as it will need to pivot from the left side for access behind the screen area. I can't remember the build, but someone else did this with a huge screen by putting casters or something like that under a 2x4 frame. I'll probably go with aluminum as my brother in law is a master welder - does a lot of ornamental stuff as well as industrial staircases/walkways, etc.

Those framing details might not come until close to installation. So, instead of having to build an entirely new screen when I want to go bigger, I can just change out the masking panels. How cool is that!

post #74 of 422
Two points.

1: All is looking peaceful in the steady flow forward

2: Your old avatar was better
post #75 of 422
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So, I do intend to use the "clip and zip" method for mounting the SeymourAV XD fabric, going pretty much completely floor to ceiling and between the columns. Then, when the PJ of the year comes out I can just change out the masking - if I haven't automated it by then.

Erik,

I have a sample of the new XD fabric and it is fantastic. It has smaller holes so you can sit closer to the screen and a slightly higher gain. BUT -- if you plan to use the XD fabric (or a SMX equivalent), you may need to tilt the fabric to avoid Moiré. The new Epson 1080 PJs requires a pretty significant tilt to avoid Moiré (23degs comes to mind -- which will severely limit your screen size). However, if you get the Panny or JVC, no tilt is needed. What this means is the Epson PJ may be out of the running for your room.
post #76 of 422
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2: Your old avatar was better

It was too cluttered...and remember, I am trying to clear my mind.

"The Zen circle, a popular motif in Zen art, represents the entire universe in a single, perfect stroke. Although simple, images like this are difficult to paint successfully and thus must be done with a clear mind focused on the task."


And for more reading pleasure...

The Enso (Japanese for 'circle') is a Zen symbol of the absolute, the true nature of existence and enlightenment. It is a symbol that combines the visible and the hidden, the simple and the profound, the empty and the full. As an expression of infinity, it has links to the western lemniscate, and may be painted so that there is a slight opening somewhere in the circle, showing that the Enso is not contained in itself, but that it opens out to infinity. The enso, a simple circle drawn with a single, broad brushstroke, is the zen symbol of infinity. It represents the infinite void, the 'no-thing,' the perfect meditative state, and Satori (enlightenment.)

The Zen symbol "supreme" is an enso, a circle of enlightenment. The Shinjinmei, written in the sixth century, refers to the Great Way of Zen as "A circle like vast space, lacking nothing, and nothing in excess," and this statement is often used as an inscription on enso paintings. The earliest reference to a written enso, the first Zen painting, occurs in the Keitokudento-roku, composed in the eighth century: A monk asked Master Isan for a gatha expressing enlightenment. Isan refused saying, "It is right in front of your face, why should I express it in brush and ink?" The monk then asked Kyozan, another master, for something concrete. Kyozan drew a circle on a piece of paper, and said, "Thinking about this is and then understanding it is second best; not thinking about it and understanding it is third best." (He did not say what is first best.) Thereafter Zen circles became a central theme of Zen art. Enso range in shape from perfectly symmetrical to completely lopsided and in brushstroke (sometimes two brushstrokes) from thin and delicate to thick and massive. Most paintings have an accompanying inscription that gives the viewer a "hint" regarding the ultimate meaning of a particular Zen circle. The primary types of enso are: (1) Mirror enso: a simple circle, free of an accompanying inscription, leaving everything to the insight of the viewer. (2) Universe enso: a circle that represents the cosmos (modern physics also postulates curved space). (3) Moon enso: the full moon, clear and bright, silently illuminating all beings without discrimination, symbolizes Buddhist enlightenment. (4) Zero enso: in addition to being curved, time and space are "empty," yet they give birth to the fullness of existence. (5) Wheel enso: everything is subject to change, all life revolves in circles. (6)Sweet cake enso: Zen circles are profound but they are not abstract, and when enlightenment and the acts of daily life-"sipping tea and eating rice cakes"-are one, there is true Buddhism. (7) "What is this?" enso: the most frequently used inscription on Zen circle paintings, this is a pithy way of saying, "Don't let others fill your head with theories about Zen; discover the meaning for yourself!"


http://www.dharmamemphis.com/symbols.htm
post #77 of 422
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Erik,

I have a sample of the new XD fabric and it is fantastic. It has smaller holes so you can sit closer to the screen and a slightly higher gain. BUT -- if you plan to use the XD fabric (or a SMX equivalent), you may need to tilt the fabric to avoid Moiré. The new Epson 1080 PJs requires a pretty significant tilt to avoid Moiré (23degs comes to mind -- which will severely limit your screen size). However, if you get the Panny or JVC, no tilt is needed. What this means is the Epson PJ may be out of the running for your room.

I'm gravitating towards the JVC. In fact, today I was researching - gulp - the Sim2 line...
post #78 of 422
I think the Epson requires a 30-35 degree tilt for the phifer material. The XD material is probably what Swithey stated. However that may be a moot point if in fact your going with the JVC.

BTW I love your idea of making a big screen wall and then masking down to your preffered screen size. Very cool.
post #79 of 422
I was just about to comment on your enso, when I got to your explanation!

I've been eyeing some of Kaz Tanahashi's ensos for a while.



Always painted in just one breath.
post #80 of 422
And here I thought the enso was just to represent the size of your bank account when this project is complete...
post #81 of 422
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I think the Epson requires a 30-35 degree tilt for the phifer material. The XD material is probably what Swithey stated. However that may be a moot point if in fact your going with the JVC.

BTW I love your idea of making a big screen wall and then masking down to your preffered screen size. Very cool.

Yeah, once I decided to go big on the screen it killed any possibilities of tilt. But, I'm convinved this is the way to go regarding the screen itself. Thanks for chiming in, I hope it turns out as cool as it seems in theory.

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I was just about to comment on your enso, when I got to your explanation!

I've been eyeing some of Kaz Tanahashi's ensos for a while.



Always painted in just one breath.

Very cool! Thanks for that image...

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And here I thought the enso was just to represent the size of your bank account when this project is complete...

Hey! Since you can see into the future, how long does it take me to complete the basement? My wife would really like to know...
post #82 of 422
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Hey! Since you can see into the future, how long does it take me to complete the basement? My wife would really like to know...

All I can say is DON"T make it functional until you are ready to slow down to about 20% of your pace. I waited as long as I could with mine. Once the wife told me to "make it work", progress slowed down and movie watching increased. Luckily you have the temporary 150" viewing room upstairs. Now go get your GC hired and get this build started
post #83 of 422
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Here is the first iteration of the rear wall...chia can see my wallet getting lighter with every post.

Under the counter I have a small refrigerator (it's black). The art isn't set in stone, just examples. The enso above the sink will be a custom printed acoustic panel - backlit with ropelight.

I'm not sure how I want to handle the narrower soffit size versus the larger corner column bass traps. Ideas?

What do you think?


post #84 of 422
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The art isn't set in stone, just examples. The enso above the sink will be a custom printed acoustic panel - backlit with ropelight.

I hear Kaz is a very cool guy, but I don't know how cool he'd be with that. You could ask him - he'll prob just want some money. Or, he could paint you a new one, with the exact color(s) you wish.
post #85 of 422
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I hear Kaz is a very cool guy, but I don't know how cool he'd be with that. You could ask him - he'll prob just want some money. Or, he could paint you a new one, with the exact color(s) you wish.

Oh, I wouldn't just print it without permission . It just looked cool so I plopped it into the design.
post #86 of 422
Can you label that last pic - which is the bass trap, and what are you calling a soffit?

Sorry I'm not up on my HT lingo yet.
post #87 of 422
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The bass traps are the vertical columns in the corners. The soffits are attached to the ceiling along the exterior walls of the room. Hope that helps...and I think I know what I'm going to do about the discrepancy.
post #88 of 422
Looking good. Not a fan of the brick (maybe that is the only choice in the program), that needs to be stone...

With the checkbook in hand, I'd also go for a matching real stone sink. My wife and I have bought from these guys: www.stoneforest.com They have a black granite sink actually called the Zen Sink: http://www.stoneforest.com/?Table=Product&do=view&id=34

post #89 of 422
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Looking good. Not a fan of the brick (maybe that is the only choice in the program), that needs to be stone...

With the checkbook in hand, I'd also go for a matching real stone sink. My wife and I have bought from these guys: www.stoneforest.com They have a black granite sink actually called the Zen Sink: http://www.stoneforest.com/?Table=Product&do=view&id=34


What we are going after is a rough cut stone like in the very first style photo post, but yeah it's hard to get the actual effect in Visio.

THANKS for posting that sink! It is perfect...I hope it doesn't make my bank account look like an enso too quickly.
post #90 of 422
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THANKS for posting that sink! It is perfect...I hope it doesn't make my bank account look like an enso too quickly.

Hey, I warned you... But it is a sweet sink.
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