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post #1591 of 1728
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I don't know if Dan Harmon is laughing his ass off or crying his eyes out after watching that. It was like watching an amateur's interpretation of the show. I thought they had the same writing staff for the last 13 episodes?

He claimed that he wouldn't be able to watch it as they aired because he'd be just as critical of those episodes as he was of his own. We'll need to wait until they all air and he watches them to find out what he thinks, I guess.
post #1592 of 1728
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

Shrug, it felt like the first episode of the season of a lot of shows. There was nothing horrible about, but there was nothing really outstanding as well. I think the circumstances surrounding the series have overblown some of the reactions. I can not think of a series where the first episode of any season was the funniest I saw that year.

This is AVS Forum, spid. Nerd outrage & hyperbole are main ingredients here, whether the topic is TV sitcoms or 120" projector screens.

I'm with you - not a great installment, but far from the trainwreck being described online.

I liked the use of the annoying NBC promos in Abed's happy place.....and I would actually tune in out of sheer curiosity to BLIND/BLONDE, Britta & Annie's fake medical series.
post #1593 of 1728
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

This is AVS Forum, spid. Nerd outrage & hyperbole are main ingredients here, whether the topic is TV sitcoms or 120" projector screens.

I'm with you - not a great installment, but far from the trainwreck being described online.

I liked the use of the annoying NBC promos in Abed's happy place.....and I would actually tune in out of sheer curiosity to BLIND/BLONDE, Britta & Annie's fake medical series.

To be fair, the reviews mention that the trainwreck starts in the convention episode. Last night's episode is regarded mostly as a letdown because it feels like something is missing, and they were dead on. It was Community, but it felt off. You can claim that's a product of "nerd outrage and hyperbole", but you're wrong. It's an informed opinion based on having watched pretty much every episode of the series at least 4 or 5 times over the past few years.
post #1594 of 1728
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On NBC, the season premiere of Community scored a 1.8, up 6 percent from a 1.7 for its prior season premiere on September 22, 2011 and up 38 percent from a 1.3 for the previous season finale on May 17.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/02/08/tv-ratings-thursday-community-returns-up-the-big-bang-theory-gets-bigger-parks-and-recreation-hits-high-scandal-greys-anatomy-up/168681/

Edit:Adusted up to 1.9.
Edited by Marcus Carr - 2/8/13 at 3:45pm
post #1595 of 1728
Not the best episode, but I laughed at several parts. Great to have it back!
post #1596 of 1728
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

To be fair, the reviews mention that the trainwreck starts in the convention episode. Last night's episode is regarded mostly as a letdown because it feels like something is missing, and they were dead on. It was Community, but it felt off. You can claim that's a product of "nerd outrage and hyperbole", but you're wrong. It's an informed opinion based on having watched pretty much every episode of the series at least 4 or 5 times over the past few years.

i.e. - an opinion. And I can say I have seen the previous eps (at least most) more than once. Visit any Star Wars or recent JJ Abrams-related post here or on other nerd-frequented forums to see even stronger examples of 'outrage & hyperbole"....some of the main ingredients of any online talkback forum as well as being part of the glue that holds the Internet together.
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Originally Posted by gruven42 
Not the best episode, but I laughed at several parts. Great to have it back!

My sentiments - and opinion - exactly. And a "real life" swap of Chase for Willard would be the kind of meta-funny weirdness the show could capitalize on in a now ever so slightly more possible S5. Would the show be better served by having Harmon still around? Sure. But I am personally not at the point to call it over just yet.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 2/8/13 at 2:18pm
post #1597 of 1728
The most meta replacement for Chevy would be Bill Murray.
post #1598 of 1728
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

You can claim that's a product of "nerd outrage and hyperbole", but you're wrong. It's an informed opinion based on having watched pretty much every episode of the series at least 4 or 5 times over the past few years.

Oh, the irony...rolleyes.gif
post #1599 of 1728
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Originally Posted by jcruse View Post

Oh, the irony...rolleyes.gif

LOLz - seriously... biggrin.gif
post #1600 of 1728
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Originally Posted by jcruse View Post

Oh, the irony...rolleyes.gif

Look up irony. That ain't it.
post #1601 of 1728
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

The most meta replacement for Chevy would be Bill Murray.
Agreed.

Regardless of the actor chosen, it is precisely the type of thing Harmon would have done on the show. The fact that these new showrunners only pretended to do it is proof that they aren't up to the challenge.
post #1602 of 1728
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Originally Posted by gruven42 View Post

Not the best episode, but I laughed at several parts. Great to have it back!

+1
post #1603 of 1728
The laugh track was hilarious in Abed TV. Nice jab at that Whitney show?
post #1604 of 1728
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Originally Posted by wizzack View Post

The laugh track was hilarious in Abed TV. Nice jab at that Whitney show?
Mostly all canned comedies, like Big Bang Theory, 2 and a Half Men, pretty much anything on CBS.

Did you notice the fake "snipes" too? One with Britta and Annie, starring in "Blonde/Blind", and another with Troy and Abed for a Samurai sword cooking show. I almost missed them on the first watch-thru, because my brain is so accustomed to filtering them out. It's like I've got adblock, but for TV. I normally zone out the audience laughs, too, but the ones on AbedTV were too out of place to ignore.
post #1605 of 1728
Some insight about this season from someone that went to the Communicon event.
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More detail on the Nic Cage ep: apparently, Jeff was convincing everyone that "Film Appreciation of Nicolas Cage" was a real class, and the Dean found out. So, as punishment, he decided to actually make it a real class, and set the final in twenty-four hours, leading the entire study group to have to watch the entire catalog in one day. They would subsequently go insane.

Apparently the network needed Nic's approval, and he was off shooting Ghost Rider 2 or something, so they couldn't get it done.

It was a huge Chevy Chase hate-fest from the writers...they would intentionally write scenarios or situations in which they could isolate Chevy from the rest of the cast. There was a scrapped B-Plot at one point where Pierce locks himself inside of the campus radio tower for a day and does a bizarre shock jock-like routine.

Apparently there was a Sony exec named "Kim" who always gave them ****** notes. So some episode was written almost entirely to eventually have one of the characters say the line "No one cares about Kim's note." I don't remember which episode this is, though.

Dan Harmon was funny, but I could absolutely see why he could be difficult to work with. He had this air of...I don't know, I'm-so-****ing-wise, that I found a little off-putting. Still, brilliant guy.

I got to speak with [redacted: some writer here] personally for a good ten or fifteen minutes. (S)he told me about the real hamstrings on the writers this year...(s)he explained that while (s)he felt the show definitely took a downturn, it wasn't so much Dan Harmon leaving as a billion other factors, including the loss of half the crew, new directors, and most notably, Sony/NBC basically saying "**** you" to them at any available opportunity. They were basically prohibited from shooting outside, the network heads would say things like "you can have three extras in this scene, no more", they would send junior agents and newbies to give notes. And the worst part is when the head of NBC (Rosen-something?) spoke to the two new showrunners, the only time he ever did, mind you, he said "Thank God that show didn't win an Emmy, right?" as they walked in. Heaven forbid they would be wrong about a show.

(S)he felt confident that the Halloween episode would be good, and something later in the season about marine biology. But they did their best, and a lot of the core writers were still on staff, so there should still be moments of brilliance throughout.

Edit: Oh, and Garrett SOUNDS LIKE THAT IN REAL LIFE. The "normal" voice in the Greendale Asylum episode was actually Dan Harmon himself.
post #1606 of 1728
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

It was a huge Chevy Chase hate-fest from the writers...they would intentionally write scenarios or situations in which they could isolate Chevy from the rest of the cast. There was a scrapped B-Plot at one point where Pierce locks himself inside of the campus radio tower for a day and does a bizarre shock jock-like routine.

Is this in reference to past seasons, or the current season? It's been mentioned before that there have been quite a few B-Plots where Chevy is alone or not interacting with the rest of the ensemble. Troy's birthday (stuck in the entry in his wheelchair), and when Annie moved (alone in Annie's old apartment) are just a few that jump to mind.
post #1607 of 1728
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Originally Posted by vespaguy View Post

Is this in reference to past seasons, or the current season? It's been mentioned before that there have been quite a few B-Plots where Chevy is alone or not interacting with the rest of the ensemble. Troy's birthday (stuck in the entry in his wheelchair), and when Annie moved (alone in Annie's old apartment) are just a few that jump to mind.

The part about how bad NBC is treating the show is from this year. The storyline about Nic Cage that had to be scrapped, the part about Kim at Sony, and the Chevy Chase story are all from past seasons.
post #1608 of 1728
I'll admit it. I liked the Halloween episode. It felt very much like an episode from any other season, and had I not known about the whole Harmon kerfuffle, I'd never suspect any change in the writing.
There were some great lines and very funny moments (Troy on the swing). I have no expectations of a 5th season, but if the episodes stay at this level, I'll continue watching through the end of this season.
post #1609 of 1728
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Originally Posted by vespaguy View Post

I'll admit it. I liked the Halloween episode. It felt very much like an episode from any other season
But but but.... the TV "experts" said that you're not supposed to like it! How could you possibly?!

I wish I hadn't heard about the Harmon B.S. It puts a black cloud over the show.
post #1610 of 1728
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Originally Posted by vespaguy View Post

I'll admit it. I liked the Halloween episode. It felt very much like an episode from any other season, and had I not known about the whole Harmon kerfuffle, I'd never suspect any change in the writing.
There were some great lines and very funny moments (Troy on the swing). I have no expectations of a 5th season, but if the episodes stay at this level, I'll continue watching through the end of this season.

I was very critical of last week's episode but this at least felt like Community. The characters seemed more like themselves (except Britta).
post #1611 of 1728
It's still not the same as before, but this was better than the season opener. I wonder if this was the same second show the reviewer cited earlier saw?

But based on these first two shows, I don't think this season's shows will win it any new converts.
post #1612 of 1728
Perhaps the worst Halloween episode they've done yet. I laughed a few times. Mostly at the tried-and-true Megan Ganz humor (the end with Troy and Abed), the sex room, and Troy freaking out over the broken remote. Otherwise it was just an incredibly mediocre episode of Community, much like last week. The set designers must have all been fired as well, because Piece's house was just atrocious.Looked like a soundstage with a bunch of props spread around.

Next week's episode is the one that early press reviews ripped to shreds. Something about a stupid Annie subplot. I don't remember. Ratings for this ep were way down from last week, which pretty much spells doom for a show that was probably gone anyway. Hate to see it end like this. A hollow shell of what it once was. On the upside, there's one more Megan Ganz episode to go. Much later in the season. I believe it was her job to handle the removal of Pierce's character. She said they gave her an incredibly small amount of time to write it.
post #1613 of 1728
I didn't think it was that bad tonight. Not great, but certainly not the train wreck that everyone was predicting.

It's still obvious that they are re-treading on old material though.
post #1614 of 1728
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I didn't think it was that bad tonight. Not great, but certainly not the train wreck that everyone was predicting.

It's still obvious that they are re-treading on old material though.

Really enjoyed last night's episode! How could you not love a cameo from the gorgeous Tricia Helfer as a sci-fi nerd smile.gif

Pierce's creative influence on the American-version of Inspector Space-Time was hilarious too...can't believe they got Luke Perry and Jenny Garth to star in it!
Edited by vpn75 - 2/22/13 at 5:24am
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post #1616 of 1728
Yeah - not COMMUNITY in it's prime, but no trainwreck that I witnessed. OTOH, I got more out loud laughs during the 1 hr PARKS & REC last night.
post #1617 of 1728
I liked the Tricia Helfer cameo, also. I thought it worked out great. And was that Lucy Lawless as the Inspector Minerva? Obviously only on t-shirts and promotional material, but it certainly looked like her!
post #1618 of 1728
Put a bullet in this show's head and put it out of its misery. I miss the episodes that made me laugh from start to finish. What the hell was this episode? I barely recognize Abed and Britta anymore. And whatever Annie that was this week isn't one I recognize. Pretending to be Jeff's wife? Please. This is awful.
post #1619 of 1728
I'm having a hard time telling if something is different because Dan Harmon left, or if I only think
There were moments of fun in this last episode, and a few WTF moments (in the bad way, not in the early Community great way). I agree Annie's "Mrs. Winger" flip-out felt very strange.
post #1620 of 1728
Ugh. I expect ALL of the proponents of "they need to spend more time in the classroom!!!!1!!1!1!!one!!!" to come out of the woodwork in defense of this episode.

Because it was terrible.
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