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785g ATI 4200 will it do HD audio?

post #1 of 24
9/18/09 at 11:46am
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If not how do you correct this??
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post #2 of 24
9/18/09 at 12:22pm
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Guessing I just need to add a seperate video/audio card? I need to have Dolby HD and DTS HD. It looks like my Oppo BD is going to be getting alot of love until I get this HTPC beast figured out lol...
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post #3 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:00pm
If you mean via HDMI for 7.1 channel, then no. You'll need to get something like a HD 4550 to HD 4970 card. The HD 4550 (check out the Gigabyte fanless one for HTPC) for cheap ($40) combined (Crossfire) with the 785G board will give you better 3D graphics and the 7.1 HDMI sound.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-250-_-Product
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post #4 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:02pm
I found $50 audio cards that will do it, but they don't do it thru your hdmi cable to my knowledge. You will need separate audio and video cables which is no big deal in my book.
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post #5 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:05pm
ok, thats even cheaper.
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post #6 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:19pm
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I only want to do it through HDMI. Just looking to pass it to the AVR and let it do the decoding.
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post #7 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:26pm
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I guess another thing is I need a card to due 1080p 24fps.
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post #8 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:29pm
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Does this mean you can do Dolby True HD and DTS HD over the optical output on the mobo?

sorry to jump on your thread but its a relevant question. I was looking at some of the new blue ray titles and noticed there is no dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack so this is kind of important.
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post #9 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:38pm
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ALC889A Enables a Superior Audio Experience

Excellent Audio Performance
High-performance DAC (Digital-Analog Converter) with 106 dB Signal-to-Noise ratio playback quality, designed especially for Windows Vista Premium PCs.



Blu-ray/HD DVD Full Rate Audio Support
The ALC889A enables high quality Full Rate Lossless Audio for content protected media and support for both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats for an exhilarating home theater entertainment experience.

7.1+2 Channel High Definition Output
The ALC889A provides support for 7.1 sound playback, plus 2 channels of independent stereo output (multiple streaming) through the front panel stereo outputs.

Does this mean you can do Dolby True HD and DTS HD over the optical output on the mobo?

sorry to jump on your thread but its a relevant question. I was looking at some of the new blue ray titles and noticed there is no dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack so this is kind of important.

No worries, this asks questions I have as well. I didn't think you could do HD over optical....Maybe its just AVR and SA's that don't do this??
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post #10 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:42pm
It's analog, no HD audio over optical.
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post #11 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:50pm
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It's analog, no HD audio over optical.

Will it do the full HD 7.1 thing though, only sending it to your receiver in analog.
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post #12 of 24
9/18/09 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

Will it do the full HD 7.1 thing though, only sending it to your receiver in analog.


My understanding is HD can only be sent via HDMI.
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post #13 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:07pm
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Will it do the full HD 7.1 thing though, only sending it to your receiver in analog.

Exactly. And like the ASUS card it will simultaneously send 2 channel output to

headphones, etc. The basic meaning to this is that the player - for now it

seems WinDVD and Power DVD doesn't downsample the analog feed. I have not

tested with ArcSoft.

The db rating is lower than the dedicated analog/hdmi cards, but a definate

plus.
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post #14 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:18pm
Wow, this is massively confusing. If I have a blue ray player in htpc and use the optical output to a modern receiver the only option is the older DTS audio 5.1

I have noticed that a lot of blue ray titles are no longer even supporting the old dvd standard(dolby digital 5.1)

Wolverine
Audio Commentaries by Director Gavin Hood, & Producers Lauren Shuler Donner & Ralph Winter
Audio: English DTS HD Master Audio 5.1
Audio: French 5.1 DTS
Audio: Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1

One more thing to add to my confusion, what if you have a new setup that can handle true HD 7.1 but only have 5.1 speakers. Will the receiver compute the audio back to 5.1 or does it think you have 7.1 speakers and drop portions of the audio. So many standards, it could give a person a real headache.
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post #15 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

Wow, this is massively confusing. If I have a blue ray player in htpc and use the optical output to a modern receiver the only option is the older DTS audio 5.1

I have noticed that a lot of blue ray titles are no longer even supporting the old dvd standard(dolby digital 5.1)

Wolverine
Audio Commentaries by Director Gavin Hood, & Producers Lauren Shuler Donner & Ralph Winter
Audio: English DTS HD Master Audio 5.1
Audio: French 5.1 DTS
Audio: Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1

One more thing to add to my confusion, what if you have a new setup that can handle true HD 7.1 but only have 5.1 speakers. Will the receiver compute the audio back to 5.1 or does it think you have 7.1 speakers and drop portions of the audio. So many standards, it could give a person a real headache.

There should be a sticky thread that explains all these audio questions.
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post #16 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

Wow, this is massively confusing. If I have a blue ray player in htpc and use the optical output to a modern receiver the only option is the older DTS audio 5.1

I have noticed that a lot of blue ray titles are no longer even supporting the old dvd standard(dolby digital 5.1)

Wolverine
Audio Commentaries by Director Gavin Hood, & Producers Lauren Shuler Donner & Ralph Winter
Audio: English DTS HD Master Audio 5.1
Audio: French 5.1 DTS
Audio: Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1

One more thing to add to my confusion, what if you have a new setup that can handle true HD 7.1 but only have 5.1 speakers. Will the receiver compute the audio back to 5.1 or does it think you have 7.1 speakers and drop portions of the audio. So many standards, it could give a person a real headache.

You wouldn't loss audio with the 5.1 set up... You would set up your speakers and set surround backs to off.
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post #17 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:29pm
AFAIK 5.1 with optical because of bandwith limitations. Playing a BD with a spdif receiver should get you the core Dolby/DTS sound.

Playing with Multichannel Analog is closest and to some better than True HD or DTS HD Master digital. It's just a matter of preference.
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post #18 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

There should be a sticky thread that explains all these audio questions.

There isn't enough sticky lol.


I have a headache and my HTPC hasn't been delivered yet. I gave up on trying to figure it all out before buying. I am going to just dive in hands on when it gets here.
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post #19 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:44pm
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There isn't enough sticky lol.


I have a headache and I haven't my HTPC han't been delivered yet. I gave up on trying to figure it all out before buying. I am going to just dive in hands on when it gets here.

I already bought, but I'm building a system for my Dad, so I can move back and forth a little. Just for your info the 785g seems to be great except for this audio question.
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post #20 of 24
9/18/09 at 3:47pm
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AFAIK 5.1 with optical because of bandwith limitations. Playing a BD with a spdif receiver should get you the core Dolby/DTS sound.

Playing with Multichannel Analog is closest and to some better than True HD or DTS HD Master digital. It's just a matter of preference.

I always thought the old dvd audio formats were digital until they hit the receiver and then the receiver broke them up into the 5.1 separate analog channels.
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post #21 of 24
9/18/09 at 4:04pm
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I already bought, but I'm building a system for my Dad, so I can move back and forth a little. Just for your info the 785g seems to be great except for this audio question.

On paper my system is pretty tight, except for the audio issue, but nothing a $50 to $800 video card can't fix . I am kidding about $800, I won't spend more than $100 on the card.

Iv'e got the 785G, AMD phenom x4 overclocked at 3.8ghz, 8gb OCZ DDR2 RAM overclocked at 1200mhz and 2TB of HDD. So I am hoping it lives up to my expectations. Headaches are ahead from what I read but I am hoping in due time I will get exactly what I want out of it.
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post #22 of 24
9/18/09 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

On paper my system is pretty tight, except for the audio issue, but nothing a $50 to $800 video card can't fix . I am kidding about $800, I won't spend more than $100 on the card.

Iv'e got the 785G, AMD phenom x4 overclocked at 3.8ghz, 8gb OCZ DDR2 RAM overclocked at 1200mhz and 2TB of HDD. So I am hoping it lives up to my expectations. Headaches are ahead from what I read but I am hoping in due time I will get exactly what I want out of it.

Yes, we were going in different directions I think. I was going for a low watt computer because I plan to leave it on all the time. With your setup you should just get that video card, you are high end anyways.

I'm 785G, regor x2 at 3.0ghz, 4gb ocz ddr2 ram and one WD green 1TB hard drive. So you can see for my goal, I don't want to add a power hungry graphics card. My 9 year old receiver only supports dolby digital 5.1 anyways, HDMI wasn't even a glint in some engineer's eye back then.



My dad's comp I'm planning on 785G with sideport mem, phenom II x4 3.0ghz, 4gb DDR3 ram, and the black WD 1TB drive. Not worried about power on this one because it is usually in sleep mode or off. Still he doesn't game so I will be sticking with the integrated graphics.
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post #23 of 24
9/18/09 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

On paper my system is pretty tight, except for the audio issue, but nothing a $50 to $800 video card can't fix . I am kidding about $800, I won't spend more than $100 on the card.

Iv'e got the 785G, AMD phenom x4 overclocked at 3.8ghz, 8gb OCZ DDR2 RAM overclocked at 1200mhz and 2TB of HDD. So I am hoping it lives up to my expectations. Headaches are ahead from what I read but I am hoping in due time I will get exactly what I want out of it.

Are you going to use this comp for big screen gaming? A flight sim would look pretty awsome at 50"
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post #24 of 24
9/18/09 at 5:00pm
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Are you going to use this comp for big screen gaming? A flight sim would look pretty awsome at 50"

You know I was never into computer gaming to be honest, I'll game all day long on the 360 though . I never even considered it but now that I will have a PC that can actually do it I may pick up a game or two. Lot of variety on the PC end. I haven't decided. My main goals is to rip DVD's and BD's to the HDD and play them back at leisure.
I have a 52" Samsung LCD right now, I plan to upgrade to 65" panasonic though within the next year or two... Pricing on tvs now a days are declining like the housing market lol. I paid $4000 for my tv two years ago and now you can get it for $1200-$1400. The panasonic I want is a little over $3000, I figure in a year the panasonic will be around $2,000.
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