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post #751 of 1164
I called my dealer to ask if they had a unit hooked up for display and was told he is waiting for software bugs to be worked out. anyone care to comment?
post #752 of 1164
Hello -

The bugs only affect the USB Audio input for connection to a computer as a music server. Furthermore, they only affect the High Speed (Class 2 Audio) mode which enables data rates higher than 96 kHz, and only with a small fraction of all computers.

We are working with the USB receiver chip manufacturer to resolve this problem for all computers and have been making excellent progress. I expect the problem to be solved by the end of this week (although it ain't over 'til it's over).

Changing the firmware chip for the USB receiver board would be trivial except that it is buried underneath the main audio PCB. Therefore we have suspended shipments until the problem is resolved.
post #753 of 1164
Does Ayre Dx-5 support hdmi 1.4? if not when is it planned for?
Also is there a plan for a standalone usb 2.0 device like the qb-9?
post #754 of 1164
On paper, it all sounds so reasonable. But in the real world, once you have 500 kHz square waves with harmonics out into the tens of MHz range (or higher), it's not so simple. Those high frequencies are like the slimy ooze monsters in those old horror flicks from the '50s -- they can get anywhere. You can't just "filter out the noise". It inevitably gets into the sensitive circuitry and degrades the performance.

Ironically vacuum tubes seem to be much less sensitive to RFI in terms of sound quality degradation. But there aren't many tube manufacturers using SMPS's![/quote]

So, if it costs more it must be better. Didn't Lexicon try that??

What is the cost difference between a switching and linear power supply? $1? It'd be great if one part, of the 1000s in a player, made all the difference.
post #755 of 1164
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Originally Posted by rbuteau View Post

Does Ayre Dx-5 support hdmi 1.4? if not when is it planned for?

By "HDMI 1.4" I assume that you mean 3D. There are no current plans for adding 3D capability to the DX-5. As you know, it is based on the Oppo platform. They are a very smart company and don't waste time and money trying to be "first". They waited for a clear winner in the HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray war to emerge before developing a player.

I'm sure that they will wait to see if 3D survives before investing in a technology that is likely to flop. We can only follow the lead of Oppo. We do not have the resources to make a 3D Blu-ray player, and probably wouldn't even if we did.

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Also is there a plan for a standalone usb 2.0 device like the qb-9?

Since June 1 we have been shipping QB-9 USB DAC's with the new High Speed USB receiver board. It has the same bug as the DX-5 whereby it works with most, but not all, computers. We hope to have a new firmware chip available soon that will address this issues. Then you can listen to all 12 downloads of 192 kHz music. The price of the QB-9 increased 10% to cover the cost of the new High Speed USB Receiver board.
post #756 of 1164
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

So, if it costs more it must be better. Didn't Lexicon try that??

I can't speak for other companies. I would assume that either:

a) They didn't have the room or the heat dissipating capabilities necessary for a linear supply.

b) They didn't feel that a switching supply degraded the performance.

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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

What is the cost difference between a switching and linear power supply? $1? It'd be great if one part, of the 1000s in a player, made all the difference.

I've never built nor bought a switching supply. However I would guess that for a low power application (preamp, processor, etc.) that it would save $20 or $30. For a high power application (200 wpc power amp) it would likely save $100 or more. Now you know the real reason why they are becoming more prevalent. Nobody ever claims that they actually work better....
post #757 of 1164
New within this forum (and sorry for my german english)...

...but the DX-5 meanwhile has arrived in Germany and thanks to my dealer and the german distributor I received a sample to test it in my own listening room and I would like to give you a few words on it. It was connected to a Mark Levinson 326S/436 combo, that feeds a pair of Fischer & Fischer SL1000 speakers. For comparison, I used my Krell Evolution 505 CD/SACD player (which includes Krells own jitter reduction module upgrade). The performance of the DX-5, although not yet fully broken in, was simply excellent. Playback of CDs was overall superior compared to the Krell’s performance. The DX-5 sounds fully relaxed and laid-back, with wonderful fine resolution of high frequencies and ist tonality has a nice musical touch on it. Impulses are reproduced dynamically in a fast and precise, but not pressurizing manner, everything sounds fully natural and I was able to listen for many consecutive hours without getting tired. Although the DX-5 did not totally compete with the pure energy and dynamics delivered by the Krell, I meanwhile prefer it for red book CDs. Listening to SACDs, both players play on the same overall quality. The Krell delivers a little more dynamics, the Ayre paints a deeper soundstage and more athmosphere between the speakers. Two different characters, that act on the same, extremely high level and the DX-5 will likely get even better in the future. The transport of the DX5 is noteworthy, since it also played those CDs without problems that caused some troubles when used with the Krell. Very satisfying.
Shortly tested with a JVC 750D-ILA front projector, the Blu Ray picture was great and somewhat better that the picture generated by my Panasonic BD35 player.

Simple bottom line: a highly recommended player and I bought it today.
post #758 of 1164
Well done--your English is better than that of many native English speakers. Thanks for the review.
post #759 of 1164
Two questions arised during further experience with the DX-5, maybe Charles Hansen can comment on:

When Audio is transferred analog and via HDMI A/V in parallel, I recognized a slight delay from the analog outputs compared to the sound that came from the connected TV unit. Is there any kind of buffering of digital data before D/A conversion?

I tested one of my "problem Blu Rays", which is the german code B version of THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008) which comes from the german independent vendor Concorde. Upon receipt it refused to play on my Sony BDP-1se unless a firmware update was performed. My Panasonic BD35, that I bought later, caused no problem. The DX-5 does not play the disc and freezed until shut down to standby. No issue for the DX-5 and me, since it played on two of my players (two out of three ain't bad...), but just for interest: Will Ayre take efforts to correct such issues that occur from time to time with certain discs?

Beside this: the sound gets better and better...
post #760 of 1164
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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

Two questions arised during further experience with the DX-5, maybe Charles Hansen can comment on:

I'll do my best.

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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

When Audio is transferred analog and via HDMI A/V in parallel, I recognized a slight delay from the analog outputs compared to the sound that came from the connected TV unit. Is there any kind of buffering of digital data before D/A conversion?

The MP (Minimum Phase) digital filter used in the DX-5 has virtually no delay, so this cannot be the problem. You could double-check this by changing the DIP switch on the rear panel from "Listen" (up) to "Measure" (down) to see if there is a difference. "Measure" will have about 4x the delay before the first samples as "Listen" does.

I think there must be some processing deep inside the main A/V processor chip that is responsible for this. Unfortunately we have no access to this and cannot change it.

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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

I tested one of my "problem Blu Rays", which is the german code B version of THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008) which comes from the german independent vendor Concorde. Upon receipt it refused to play on my Sony BDP-1se unless a firmware update was performed. My Panasonic BD35, that I bought later, caused no problem. The DX-5 does not play the disc and freezed until shut down to standby. No issue for the DX-5 and me, since it played on two of my players (two out of three ain't bad...), but just for interest: Will Ayre take efforts to correct such issues that occur from time to time with certain discs?

Yes, there will generally be updates for the Ayre player within a few weeks of the updates for the Oppo. First Oppo releases a private beta of new firmware to a small group of testers. Then they release a public beta. If it passes that, then it becomes the official release. After that, they will make an Ayre version that usually just differs in the "splash screen" and the URL for the automatic update via the internet.

You may have noticed that Oppo released a public beta about a week ago. I believe they found a small bug in that. They should have a public release in a few weeks and then we will have a new version for the Ayre within a few weeks after that. You can read about the fixes at the Oppo website.

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Beside this: the sound gets better and better...

Good! The main things that break in are the dielectrics (insulators) found in the capacitors and PCBs. It takes about 100 hours of playing time for most of the break-in to occur. However, you will continue to hear small improvements for 500 hours, so please be patient.
post #761 of 1164
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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

When Audio is transferred analog and via HDMI A/V in parallel, I recognized a slight delay from the analog outputs compared to the sound that came from the connected TV unit. Is there any kind of buffering of digital data before D/A conversion?

With my BDP-83, using the HDMI connection direct to the PJ for video and S/PDIF for audio (non-HDMI SSP), I found certain discs with obvious AV sync issues. After replacing the SSP and taking both audio and video via HDMI thru the SSP, those discs no longer showed sync error. I figure that HDMI connection passes PTS (Presentation Time Stamp) data for the audio and video to the SSP where it is aligned. But that process apparently does not alter the timing of the S/PDIF (or analog) outputs.

Just another of my usual wack theories.
post #762 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

The main things that break in are the dielectrics (insulators) found in the capacitors and PCBs. It takes about 100 hours of playing time for most of the break-in to occur. However, you will continue to hear small improvements for 500 hours, so please be patient.

I bought a new Ayre C-5xeMP Universal player last last year after home audition the dealer demo unit (broken-in) along with a few other players in its price range. I was warned by the dealer not to expect my new C-5 to sound like the demo unit for at least the first 100 to 200 hours. I really didn't take them too seriously until I started listening to my new player. While it didn't sound bad right out of the box, it wasn't until about 60 hours that it seemed to relax and loose the somewhat brittle mids and steely highs and began to sound magnificant like I remembered the demo unit sounding. After that it appeared to improve somewhat more but not as dramatic as in those first 60 hours. It was between 100 to 200 hours that it appeared to reach its full sonic potential. During the break-in I would play several of my well known sounding reference disks at various points in the break-in at the same volume levels in attempts to judge how the player was sounding during that time.

While I don't own a DX-5, I found that the Ayre C-5 to be one of the most sensitive components regarding break-in that I've ever owned including speakers. Just my 2 cents on this issue.
post #763 of 1164
Thank you guys for your comments. Reagarding breakin-in times, I also feel that Ayre units require especially long periods of time. I'm also using a P-5xe, which is now nearly 2 years old, and sometimes I feel it still got better, although one must admit that it is difficult to hear objectively, since the human ear rapidly adapts to changes in sound. Nevertheless I find it interesting that the DX-5 and the P-5xe share the same basic sound characteristics, although the DX-5 is still in its youth.

Question to Charles:

Is it my mistake or is there another reason why my MacBook (OS 10.6.4) recognizes the DX-5 only when connected to the USB port on the back, but NOT when connnected to the USB front port ? Rather impracticable if the DX-5 is placed in a rack...

...and I would adore if the player could keep the "Pure Audio" mode in memory instead of the positions of the last five discs...
post #764 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I figure that HDMI connection passes PTS (Presentation Time Stamp) data for the audio and video to the SSP where it is aligned. But that process apparently does not alter the timing of the S/PDIF (or analog) outputs.

Just another of my usual wack theories.

Roger, I like your wack theories!

Unfortunately, I think this one is wrong. The HDMI specification does not include a "Presentation Time Stamp", only a "Cycle Time Stamp" that is used to help derive the audio master clock from the pixel clock that is transmitted.

I still think it is something to do with the main A/V processor. I'll ask the guys at Oppo and see what they say.
post #765 of 1164
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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

Is it my mistake or is there another reason why my MacBook (OS 10.6.4) recognizes the DX-5 only when connected to the USB port on the back, but NOT when connnected to the USB front port ? Rather impracticable if the DX-5 is placed in a rack...

...and I would adore if the player could keep the "Pure Audio" mode in memory instead of the positions of the last five discs...

There are three USB ports. One each on the front and rear are "A" type ports that are flat. These are "masters" that can control peripherals (eg, a thumb drive). The third is a "B" type port that must be connected to a controller (such as your laptop). That third one is the only one that can be connected to use the DX-5 as a music server.

If you have it in a rack, I would suggest leaving a cable connected to the DX-5. Then when you want to connect your laptop, plug the cable into the laptop instead of the other way around. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Oops, I forgot about the Pure Audio. This was something that was decided by the Oppo people after nearly a year of testing by a beta test group. I think the biggest problem with having the unit stay in "Pure Audio" mode is if there are other people in the household. So you might have a late-night listening session in Pure Audio mode. The next day you go off to work and your wife wants to watch a movie. She turns the player on and all she gets is a red light. Even if she figured out how to put the disc in with no hints from the front panel display, there would be no picture, only sound.

We've done the exact same thing for features that we've added. If they might be confusing to someone else, we have them reset when the power is cycled. It's a little more work for the bachelor, but it's safer for a family man.
post #766 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

Roger, I like your wack theories!

Unfortunately, I think this one is wrong. The HDMI specification does not include a "Presentation Time Stamp", only a "Cycle Time Stamp" that is used to help derive the audio master clock from the pixel clock that is transmitted.
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Hi Charles,

It may not be explicitly a part of HDMI, but rather that HDMI preserves the PTS of the core payload as in the MPEG transport stream. There is definitely some provision for A/V sync in HDMI. Sorry I do not know the details.
post #767 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds as if you have never owned an Ayre video disc player. Remember, that every single electronic circuit in the world, digital or analog, is simply a modulated power supply. Then it becomes immediately obvious that the quality of the power supply is critical to the performance of the circuit, both digital and analog, both audio and video.

With a power regenerator you are sending somewhat cleaner power to your components. (I say "somewhat" because there is a big logical fallacy concerning the operation of these units. They work more or less like a big audio power amplifier. But if that could provide complete isolation, then your power amp would already have complete isolation! And so would all of your other equipment with linear power supplies...) But if you are sending somewhat cleaner power to a piece of video equipment with a switching power supply that just generates more noise, the performance gains will be limited.

A better approach is to do what we do in our video disc players -- get rid of the switching power supplies altogether and replace them with linear power supplies that have AC line filters and ultra-low noise voltage regulators. And then we extend that even further by isolating the audio and video systems completely.

Back to your question about a power regenerator. Will that improve the performance of the DX-5 even further? Possibly, but I don't know. We've listened to a fair number of filters and regenerators over the years. In an audio system, all the ones that we listened to created trade-offs. Some things would get better, while other things would get worse.

The only power filter I have ever heard that only does good things to the sound is our L-5xe. It's a fairly straight-forward affair, with an IEC inlet and 4 AC outlets (available in US, Schuko, and UK styles). Each outlet is a single outlet, not a duplex. This allows us to individually filter the ground of each outlet. I don't know of any other AC power filters that take this step. (See scotsol was right!)

Back to video. Will the same things apply? Probably, but I can't say for certain. In audio there is an odd phenomenon that doesn't make much sense but is true. A power conditioner will have the same sonic effect no matter what you plug it into to. In other words, if it makes your power amp sound sweeter with a deeper soundstage, when you plug your turntable power supply in it will also sound sweeter with a deeper soundstage. So my bet would be that the best sounding power line filter would also be the best looking one in a video system.

One last piece of advice. If you get a power line conditioner, live with it for three weeks and then remove it from the system. After three weeks you will be used to all the things it does. When you then remove it, it will be very clear how it changes the sound (or look) of your system. In most cases you will end up leaving it out. All of the spectacular "wow" things that it did when you first plugged it in will be overwhelmed by all of the disappointing "yech" things that it also does, but you didn't notice at first.

Mr Hansen my apologies if this is too far off subject and I hope it doesn't stray too far. With all your research on A/C power filters, what is your thoughts on a balanced A/C power circuits? I understand it would take a monster transformer for an entire system but what about one for like say the source and preamp/processor section? Or is it worth it at all? I've been researching this and when I read this thought you would be a great source to ask. Also Thank You for all the information that you share with people, I know you've cleared up several questions I've had before from other posts I've read of yours.
post #768 of 1164
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Originally Posted by C17FXR View Post

With all your research on A/C power filters, what is your thoughts on a balanced A/C power circuits? I understand it would take a monster transformer for an entire system but what about one for like say the source and preamp/processor section? Or is it worth it at all?

Good question, but unfortunately I have no experience with balanced power and therefore cannot provide a definitive answer.

My suspicion is that they will help the lazy person but may not help the serious tweaker. Here is my thinking:

When they wind a power transformer they have to put so much wire on that it is wound in layers. Therefore one end of the winding is closer to the core of the transformer than the other end.

Next, it is crucial to remember that the AC coming from the wall is asymmetric. That is, one contact is essentially at ground (zero volts), while the other contact has the full voltage on it (120 volts in the US).

When you take these two points together, it is inevitable that there is a preferred orientation to the power plug. When you plug it in one way, the end of the transformer winding closest to the core has 120 volts on it, and the other way it has zero volts on it. Capacitive coupling creates a leakage current on the chassis proportional to the voltage.

If you are serious about sound, you will go around to each component in your system and make sure that the AC cord is oriented properly. The reduced AC leakage current results in significantly improved sound. (You don't have to do this with Ayre equipment, as we have already done this at the factory.) But the normal lazy person doesn't do this. And most equipment is randomly oriented, with a 50-50 shot of having the correct polarity.

Now comes the "balanced" power transformers. With these, each orientation of the power cord is equivalent. They are both equally good or equally bad, depending on your perspective.

If you are lazy and don't orient your cords, then they will reduce the stray current on your equipment. But if you are a hard worker and already have your equipment oriented properly, I don't think they will help and they may even hurt.

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Now all of this is theory and may be completely wrong. The only way to know for sure is to perform a listening test. But before I spent hundreds of dollars on one of these, I would borrow it from my dealer AND make sure that all of the power cords were properly oriented before listening to the balanced power transformer. It may be wonderful or it may do nothing, I don't really know.

Has anyone read a review of one of these where the reviewer was careful enough (or smart enough) to make sure that his AC cords were properly oriented beforehand?

EDIT: Orienting the AC power cords makes a HUGE difference in sound quality. Don't take this tweak lightly. It is very low cost and the rewards are significant.
post #769 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

Good question, but unfortunately I have no experience with balanced power and therefore cannot provide a definitive answer.

I used the balanced Furman Reference 20i and never heard any difference. Switched to PS Audio Powerplant Premier - huge difference. Just one man's experience.

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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

Orienting the AC power cords makes a HUGE difference in sound quality. Don't take this tweak lightly. It is very low cost and the rewards are significant.

Intriguing. How does one go about reversing polarity in practical terms though? I have heavy duty powercords. A polarity inverter adaptor plug would be practical but no such device exists.
post #770 of 1164
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Intriguing. How does one go about reversing polarity in practical terms though? I have heavy duty powercords. A polarity inverter adaptor plug would be practical but no such device exists.

Here is a good place to read how to do it:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/acpolarity.html



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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

Good question, but unfortunately I have no experience with balanced power and therefore cannot provide a definitive answer.

I'll share my own findings regarding power conditioning including balanced power to my Ayre C-5xeMP, although I'm not sure how it would extrapolate to the DX-5 sonically. In my experience, I've found that the power conditioners that I've tried with the C-5 (Audience Adept Response and Balanced Power Technology) have much less of an effect than that of the other players that I've had in my 2 channel audio system including Esoteric. I am presently using the BPT 3.5 Signature balanced power conditioner with the C-5 which I believe sounds just a little better than directly into the wall outlet, but nothing dramatic like that with the other players that I've had.

Your statement to try a conditioner for 3 weeks and then go without it for another 3 weeks is excellent advice and spot on in my experience over the years. I've had conditioners and regenerators which I first thought improved things but then after removing them weeks later, only then discovering some of their detrimental effects to the sound that I didn't notice when I first put them in the system.

Surprisingly I've found the the PS Audio PPP power regenerator has a positive effect in my separate A/V system with the Pioneer Kuro Elite 60" plasma and OPPO 83 giving a slightly richer and saturated looking picture.

BTW, I am still trying to convince my wife that we need a DX-5 so perhaps I will be forgiven if I'm taking my post too much off topic.
post #771 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

There are three USB ports. One each on the front and rear are "A" type ports that are flat. These are "masters" that can control peripherals (eg, a thumb drive). The third is a "B" type port that must be connected to a controller (such as your laptop). That third one is the only one that can be connected to use the DX-5 as a music server.

I didn't even know that these different USB ports fullfill different function. So I learned from you, thanks.

I am using an AC filter that consists of four grouped outlets, two of which are equipped with filtering and balancing transformers, the other two only with filtering. Sonically it made not only a lot of sense to connect the low power units via a transformer, but also to separate the digital stuff from the analog one. In addition, the transformers also effectively remove any DC content from the mains power. The high-consuming power amps are filtered only and connected orientated and the entire filter unit goes to one wall-socket. When installing it, I could immediately hear a smoother sound with more clarity, a deeper soundstage with more air around individual instruments which are also placed more precisely on the soundstage. It's the famous curtain that was taken away from the performance.
post #772 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Here is a good place to read how to do it:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/acpolarity.html

If you cannot rewire the outlet (like all 90% of us who use power conditionin/regerations/surge protection) This still involves buying $2 cheater plugs and a vile at home depot and mess with flimsy hardware yourself. What a great idea for a tweak product! The $50 audiophile A/C polarity inverter - equal size legs - 99.99999 pure copper - made in china - gross margin 95%). Not sure if you can legally sell such a plug though....
post #773 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Here is a good place to read how to do it:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/acpolarity.html

This is a pretty good article, but he makes one huge mistake at the end.

He says that if your equipment is wired backwards that you should reverse the polarity of your wall outlet to compensate. This is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

Two wrongs don't make a right!

What if you forget which outlet(s) are reversed? It's virtually impossible to reverse one outlet in a duplex without reversing both. So what happens if you have one component that needs reverse polarity and one that doesn't?

There are only two solutions:

a) Use a "cheater" plug with the prongs on the "fat" side filed down.

b) Open up the component and reverse the wires inside. If it uses "Faston" spade-lug connectors it will be easy, if it is soldered it will be hard and should only be done by an experienced tech. You can easily melt IEC connectors and/or fuse holders if you don't have the right equipment and experience.
post #774 of 1164
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

If you cannot rewire the outlet (like all 90% of us who use power conditionin/regerations/surge protection) This still involves buying $2 cheater plugs and a vile at home depot and mess with flimsy hardware yourself. What a great idea for a tweak product! The $50 audiophile A/C polarity inverter - equal size legs - 99.99999 pure copper - made in china - gross margin 95%). Not sure if you can legally sell such a plug though....

There is a slight audible degradation due to the use of a cheater plug. But the gains due to having the correct AC polarity far outweigh this.

All of you posters in Europe have it easy. The Schuko plug used everywhere but the UK is symmetric and reversible. Of course now the problem is that you have to pay attention to polarity and mark the correct polarity on each component. We once had a German distributor that would measure and mark everything he sold.
post #775 of 1164
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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

I didn't even know that these different USB ports fullfill different function. So I learned from you, thanks.

It's all in the manual, but at 120 pages it is hard to keep track of everything!

Plus German law requires that the importer provide a translated manual. I don't know how good of a job our importer has done on the DX-5 yet...
post #776 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Charles Hansen View Post

It's all in the manual, but at 120 pages it is hard to keep track of everything!

Plus German law requires that the importer provide a translated manual. I don't know how good of a job our importer has done on the DX-5 yet...

Oh, I have (hopefully) no problems in reading and writing english language since it is the working language in my professional life as a molecular biologist.
Of course I've read the (downloaded) manual, already before the DX-5 arrived, and thus I knew that the USB Audio Input port had to be used and that was what I did first and it worked fine. But I am absolutely no expert in computer technology but I felt it was a good idea if I could connect the computer to the front port. So as an experimentally working scientist, I spontanously tried it out and it did not work. I was surprised, and in the manual I missed or overlooked a distinct notice that computers ONLY work with the rectangular USB Audio Input back port and NOT with the USB host ports. So for my person Hifi worlds and computer worlds do not yet mix properly as you see, but I was very satisfied that the DX-5 accepted my MacBook at the first try, also at 192 kHz, without any problems.
post #777 of 1164
Yes, your English is much, much better than my German!

I am like you and like to try experiments also. I am glad that nothing was harmed. The rectangular "A" connector is for a USB "host" or controller. When the computer is connected to the front panel connector, then there are two controllers or "bosses" trying to be in charge. Just as with people, this doesn't work so well.

I am glad that you are having good results with your Mac computer. You must have the latest update, as only OS X 10.6.4 will operate properly with the High Speed USB protocol and communicate at 192 kHz.
post #778 of 1164
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Here is a good place to read how to do it:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/acpolarity.html





I'll share my own findings regarding power conditioning including balanced power to my Ayre C-5xeMP, although I'm not sure how it would extrapolate to the DX-5 sonically. In my experience, I've found that the power conditioners that I've tried with the C-5 (Audience Adept Response and Balanced Power Technology) have much less of an effect than that of the other players that I've had in my 2 channel audio system including Esoteric. I am presently using the BPT 3.5 Signature balanced power conditioner with the C-5 which I believe sounds just a little better than directly into the wall outlet, but nothing dramatic like that with the other players that I've had.

Your statement to try a conditioner for 3 weeks and then go without it for another 3 weeks is excellent advice and spot on in my experience over the years. I've had conditioners and regenerators which I first thought improved things but then after removing them weeks later, only then discovering some of their detrimental effects to the sound that I didn't notice when I first put them in the system.

Surprisingly I've found the the PS Audio PPP power regenerator has a positive effect in my separate A/V system with the Pioneer Kuro Elite 60" plasma and OPPO 83 giving a slightly richer and saturated looking picture.

BTW, I am still trying to convince my wife that we need a DX-5 so perhaps I will be forgiven if I'm taking my post too much off topic.

Gentlemen thank you for responses lot of good information here. Funny thing is the BDT 3.5 Signature and PS Audio PPP are on my list as options.
post #779 of 1164
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Originally Posted by IngoT View Post

Sonically it made not only a lot of sense to connect the low power units via a transformer, but also to separate the digital stuff from the analog one.

When installing it, I could immediately hear a smoother sound with more clarity, a deeper soundstage with more air around individual instruments which are also placed more precisely on the soundstage. It's the famous curtain that was taken away from the performance.

I've found that when I separate my digital front including my present Ayre player with a transformer like that in the BPT 3.5 that I hear the same sort of things that you describe above. I must admit however that I have been lazy and have not tried to determine the correct AC polarity as Charles suggests.

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Gentlemen thank you for responses lot of good information here. Funny thing is the BDT 3.5 Signature and PS Audio PPP are on my list as options.

Perhaps you should also include Ayre's own L-5xe power conditioner on your short list too.
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I've found that when I separate my digital front including my present Ayre player with a transformer like that in the BPT 3.5 that I hear the same sort of things that you describe above. I must admit however that I have been lazy and have not tried to determine the correct AC polarity as Charles suggests.



Perhaps you should also include Ayre's own L-5xe power conditioner on your short list too.

Actually my thinking is to do the polarity test first, then because my two channel system coexists with my home theater, I'll try the PS Audio PPP for the HT and the Ayre L-5xe on my two channel rig. The reason being I already know that my preamp, amp and DAC have capacitor coupling at the power cord connection.
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